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Greenman

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Ahhhhh ! ! ! !

Verstappen takes inspiration from James Bond and drops bits from his car for Hamilton to run over !

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Greenman

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Thanks "wire2004"

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Greenman

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What's the latest time that any team can change on to intermediates, or wets, before the race ?

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Greenman

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I thought it was Bottas moaning about Verstappen holding him up ?

Really close times.

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Greenman

. Easy answer, appoint Mercedes as the official pit stop trainer - instant doubling of pit stop times. :lol: . Even easier answer: 3 second minimum pit-stop time. That would lessen the chance of costly even dangerous mistakes and put the onus back on the driver to win races, not the mechanics.. Min...

Greenman

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Easy answer, appoint Mercedes as the official pit stop trainer - instant doubling of pit stop times.

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Greenman

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Good pass - great race

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Greenman

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So it's a battle of the strategists.

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Greenman

F1Tyrant wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:37 pm
Incredible outlap from Verstappen

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Totally agree !

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Greenman

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Greenman wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:07 pm
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Max may have "blinked", but the FIA caves in and ignores his illegal rejoining of the track !

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It wasn't remotely illegal. There's a huge difference between running a little wide and missing a corner altogether.

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He rejoined illegally, and should have been punished.

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Greenman

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Max may have "blinked", but the FIA caves in and ignores his illegal rejoining of the track !

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Greenman

. Silly. Whilst you are right about Absolute rigidity, you are extending that into total silliness to try to claim visually extreme flexibility is somehow acceptable. And, for the countless time, the Regulations are "the law", not the tests, this was established a decade ago. What part of that do yo...

Greenman

.... Greenman and I evidently cannot be further in philosophy from each other. I am an engineer, and that's how I view the world - I want to make it better. But I expect another round of " but that's cheating ". It is you that arbitrarily calling the Regulations "subjective" - it's a joke. The Regu...

Greenman

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A shame that it isn't Perez and Bottas on the front row.

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Greenman

[quote="tootsie323] ...Ironically, I'm not actually disagreeing. I'm pretty sure that the wing is flexing more than it should and that it is, as a result, contravening the regulations. The point I am putting forward is that the authorities do not have a formally adopted method to measure this and qu...

Greenman

I have a bias for clever engineering. Everything is an optimization problem - maximize the objective function within a set of clear constraints. It can't get more pure than that. If you want subjectivity, perhaps figure skating or gymnastics is a better spectator sport... . It is NOT "clever" - it ...

Greenman

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NO IT ISN'T !

This was sorted out a decade ago.

Stop being biased.

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Greenman

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Rubbish - the "bendy" wings were visibly flexing and breaking the Regulations - a clear bit of cheating.

Calling it "clever" is merely exposing your bias.

This was all sorted out a decade ago with the flexing front wings.

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Greenman

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It is NOT "clever", "grey", or elegant engineering. The "bendy" wing could be visibly seen (and recorded on video) as breaking the regulations.

People who try to argue otherwise are merely biased.

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Greenman

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All anyone needs to do is read the Regulations - surely that's not too difficult ?

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Greenman

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Another feeble attempt to explain away deliberate attempts to break the Regulations.

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Greenman

Last time out the focus was on wings, this time it's on tyres with some changes...... https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/the-f1-tyre-tricks-that-new-clampdown-will-stamp-out/6574186/ . A fascinating read ( which some of the comments above show hasn't been done by the relevant commentators ) - these...

Greenman

UnlikeUday wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:57 am

- Rear wing twist will also be analyzed by FIA techs.

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This presumably (?) means that the TV surveillance is to continue to check on compliance with the regulations ?

So, new tests, but don't trust those teams that do pass.

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Greenman

. "Recent results" includes Red Bull's using an illegal rear wing and two race tracks which don't favour Mercedes. Are we meant to take those things into account ? What will happen at the next race ? ------- Again, the question is "fastest driver", not fastest car, in a particular configuration, of ...

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Which is better for Red Bull - Perez to win, or both he and Hamilton fail to finish ?

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Greenman

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If they have to go around a lap to get to the grid to re-start, is that another lap of the race "completed" ?

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Greenman

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I don't see the Mercedes pit crew, or strategists, getting any summer holiday this year.

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Greenman

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So they chose the "best" softs they could, which after 4 or 5 laps suddenly developed a "serious" issue ?

I doubt it.

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Greenman

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Never heard of that being allowed before - under what regulation is that being allowed ?

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Greenman

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I'm horribly impressed with the Ferraris so far this year.

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Greenman

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Why did the Mercedes strategists choose the "wrong" wing for Hamilton and Bottas ?

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Greenman

. The BBC's website MIGHT have a partial answer ; https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/formula1/54909414 ( See 10:14 ) " Flexible rear-wing controversy The controversy over flexible rear wings has reached a new level this weekend, with the Baku circuit one where the advantage of these designs has one of...

Greenman

. I am confused. Isn't the FIA's allowance of existing "flexible" rear wings by some teams still in force for Sunday's race ? IF SO, then are the yellow dots merely a trial ? To demonstrate what will occur in future ? Or, IF the yellow dots show excessive (?) movement will the offending teams be pun...

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Eprom ;

The FIA didn't agree with you a decade ago, and they don't agree with you now.

If you disagree take it up with the FIA's lawyers.

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Greenman

> YET AGAIN, as at least three people seem not to understand. The Regulation (see above) is "THE LAW", not the tests - this was sorted out a decade ago IS THAT CLEAR ? The Red Bull rear wing clearly breaks the regulation - no argument. The Red Bull, Mercedes and supposedly other front wings certainl...

Greenman

As above; Some/many teams front wings "wobble"/vibrate. They do not (???) neatly lower themselves nearer the track, which would definitely give them an aerodynamic advantage - see 10 years ago. Only a proper aerodynamicist will be able to tell whether the "wobble"/vibration is "normal", or "excessiv...

Greenman

. That Gerry Anderson article is a major "deflection" from the main issue - the excessively bendy Red Bull rear wing, which is so abundantly clear from video evidence against the Regulations. (Remember, the Regulations are "the law", not the tests, this was sorted out and made clear to everyone a de...

Greenman

Sad, but it makes interesting conjecture as to what sort of heaven, or hell, he will be sent to.

Greenman

. No. ANYONE can see that the rear wing is not compliant with the Regulations. "The law" is the Regulations, not the tests - (as I said) this was established a decade ago. . Does this imply that despite RB passing the FIA-mandated test but, because other evidence - that is specifically not part of ...

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Why has anyone voted for Verstappen ? What has he done today to earn the "driver of the day" mantle ?

( Remember all those time people complained about people voting for Hamilton when he led from start to finish ? )

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