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Ricciardo starting his Mark Webber redemption arc. He left Red Bull to become the number 1 and returns with the hope of being a number 2.

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They seem to be getting into a lot of sporting events quiet easily lately. Makes you wonder just how tough the 'policing' is or if they're just letting them do it for publicity. Don't know how much its to do with police defunding or whether the grassroots of Just Stop Oil is great at finding people...

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By the time Massa was against Bottas. Maybe earlier in his career Massa was better. I mean, we saw them in very similarly performing cars and Perez easily beat Massa. That's just what happened. If we compare them via Stroll, Massa in the twilight of his career pummelled him by a similar margin to P...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 09, 2023 12:36 pm
What lap will we have a red flag/SC for protesters then?

I suspect there will be some dubious policing with the names and faces of anyone who has participated or attend a Just Stop Oil event.

Most will be arrested before lights out for 'breach of the peace' then de-arrested and released.

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Do we really need to even debate how Perez and Bottas stack up in championship contending cars? I think it's fair to say that the Mercedes and Red Bull were very even in 2021.... We've seen it. No, no mikey, the RB16B was only in contention because of Verstappen's magical pace. No other driver coul...

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Checo's qualifying weakness has proved far more costly than Bottas' race pace weakness ever did. I don't even think Checo's race pace advantage over Bottas is actually very big at all. I think the narrative that Bottas and Checo would perform similarly in dominant cars is completely destroyed here. ...

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He’s demolished Perez in a way none of his previous teammates ever did (Hulkenberg, Ocon, Button). Ocon did demolish Perez in qualifying in 2018. I make it 16-5 to Ocon. Supporting Perez's qualifying ability is an unusual position given we've seen how immensely costly it has been for him over the l...

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That season he had an open goal to break the win record but failed, Verstappen in those circumstances in the W10 probably wins 14 or 15 races. I'm not so sure of that one. We have evidence that Bottas has the ability to match a Perez in Saudi Arabia performance between 2-4 times per season. It was ...

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I think in a dominant car he beats Alonso more often than not (remember that a rookie Lewis was a match for 2x WDC Alonso, and I think current Verstappen is a bit better) but a 2012 Ferrari type car would be very interesting. I think the 2007 benchmarked Alonso was some of his worst form in his car...

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I have become a little bit allergic to some posters repeatedly stating positions as "undebatable" or proclaiming a "fact" when things are very much debatable and not at al factual. That is why I start my posts usually with a caveat. My apologies for jumping on you so quickly. We both know which mem...

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I followed Formula One pretty closely during those years (well not only those years specifically) and I cannot remember Bottas making any impression at all on me, other than being another Finnish drivers who was being hailed as the next Rosberg (Keke) in a supposedly line of fast Finnish drivers. I...

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Bottas was nothing special when he was driving for Williams and he is again nothing special when driving for Alfa Romeo. Somehow the years in between at Mercedes elevated his status. Categorically not true. Bottas had several standout performances at Williams. He put the absolutely trash FW35 into ...

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Here is how I voted in the poll: 1) Fernando Alonso Alonso shouldn't be on this list and is only here due to his questionable team choices and poor fortune. He beat Michael Schumacher in a straight fight and beat countless WDC and highly rated teammates. Arguably, F1's best driver from 2005-2014 Alo...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:35 am
If Ricciardo was really so bad all along can anyone explain how he managed to beat Hulkenberg in pretty much the manor you'd expect and trounce Ocon?

I think history will correctly put Ricciardo in around the same ballpark as Vettel, clear Tier 1.5 but not quite an Alonso, Hamilton or Verstappen.

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:04 am
Is there any with just one? The winner of that particular GP taking his maiden win and the guys in 2nd and 3rd not having won?

2007 Canadian Grand Prix is but one example!

EDIT: Hungary 2006 is another example.

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IMO, Clark is largely overrated because of his statistics. He is the embodiment of natural racing talent but Clark himself didn't really understand why he was fast. He also raced in a comparatively weak era racing old farts like Brabham and Hill and good but not superb drivers like Hulme and Surtees...

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The silly argument is Ricciardo fell off a cliff at 30 years of age. The silly argument is actually that just because a driver is 30 means they can't possibly fall off a cliff. It isn't the norm but Ricciardo didn't have a normal experience at McLaren. Ricciardo was unable to use his usual progress...

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IDFD wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:53 pm
You can see how silly that argument looks right?

Apart from Ricciardo's very obvious struggles at McLaren that he has spoken about repeatedly for the last 2 years.

Talk about silly arguments.

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Ricciardo showed his limitations at McLaren and he still remains Verstappen's biggest scalp, if Norris' beating of Ricciardo is being devalued so does Verstappen's beating of Ricciardo, his biggest scalp now is Perez. Ricciardo was clearly operating pretty close to Vettel's level at Red Bull (he go...

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Verstappen looks comfortably the best driver on the grid in that car. Vettel looked the best driver on the grid in 2011. And a lot of people bought in to it. I wasn't one of them. Verstappen has been far better at Red Bull than Vettel was, not to mention there was no consensus that Vettel was the b...

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Huge PR Spin from Helmut because he knows that the stats show Lando is the quicker driver than his boy. The "stats" don't reflect that Ricciardo was broken by McLaren and completely washed up. ...and still took his opportunity to win while Norris missed his shot in Russia. I don't see how Norris ha...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:03 am
Hamilton supporters are so weird about George Russell lol.

FTFY.

It's to his credit that he gets under our collective skins because we perceive that he has enjoyed significantly better luck without showing significantly better performance.

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If the two Merc boys can both be the cars immediately behind Alonso after lap one, then I fancy them to split strategies and at least one of them end up ahead of Alonso. I can already see it. Russell goes long and extends and extends and just when it looks like he's finally going to be caught out, ...

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Perhaps im letting my dissapointment with his W2W in 2021 cloud my view. It felt like he kept banging the outside line drum with Max (overtakes) and wouod never aggressively cover the inside. I have a particular drum that I bang too and it's that Hamilton drove that way to suit the advantages of th...

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Can I just re-iterate that it's more likely that Mercedes is being very conservative in Q2 and it appears the Hamilton is disadvantaged by this approach, rather than equity. A lack of complaints about being forced to use as many tyres as Russell doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Hamilton has cooled si...

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Back of a postcard ratings (for now, may expand into Exediron's subcategories later): 95 - Verstappen. 92 - Hamilton. 90 - Leclerc, Alonso, Norris, Russell. 88 - Sainz, Perez. 87 - Ocon, Hulkenberg. 85 - Bottas, Gasly, Albon, Zhou. 84 - Magnussen, Stroll. 82 - Tsunoda, Sargent 80 - De Vries. N/A - P...

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Seems like an absolutely bonkers way to run a team. Wouldn't it make more sense that Hamilton took a new engine because Russell's blowing up showed it was near the end of it's life and not worth the risk of continuing with? No it's to ensure that Russell has no material disadvantage against Hamilto...

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The idea that Hamilton would be forced to burn a set of a tyres just because Russell had to doesn't strike me as something that a serious team would do or something Hamilton would even agree to. Who has claimed it? Mikey, this poster on AS points it out every single time on the Discord and it absol...

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I don't really see he's much different to anyone else. I think he's unlucky to have a face that naturally settles into quite a smug expression. :lol: :lol: Russell does a lot more around the edges than others. I don't think I've seen a driver lobby for a strategic advantage over the radio as often ...

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I think Russell tends to get underrated. His only crime seems to be being slightly off Hamilton over a race distance. Hamilton, one of the best to ever drive an F1 car who's particular strength is race pace... Russell is probably a top 5 driver on the grid. My issue with him is that he is two-faced...

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I think that beating an all-time great like Hamilton last year is probably what gives him this foolish and arrogant view. "I've beat the established driver in my first year in a new team", I can almost hear him saying it. I do hope I'm completely wrong, I like him as a driver and I hope he's not th...

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One source from GPFans . "Relationships are better when there is a clear number one, or when both drivers are at different stages of their careers, like Lewis and I. We don’t fight for position, we just fight for the best position. You don’t fight for the number one position. Take Charles and Carlos...

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What I really found delightful was the race pace of Checo which was on par with Verstappen throughout the race. Miami & Imola should throw more light on whether this championship is something to write about or not. It's reminiscent of Bottas' 4 or 5 occasions he beat Hamilton a season while they ha...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:29 pm
Plenty of fans before 2010 considered Massa a top level driver.

...but how many of those fans were considered well informed. They clearly hadn't been paying attention as coming into 2007, Massa had lost (usually convincingly) to every teammate he'd had apart from a past it Jaques Villeneuve in 2005.

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Voiding the race is beyond stupid as its the only scenaro that gives Massa the title.

Alonso should get DSQ, Rosberg gets his first win four years earlier and Hamilton wins the title by 3 points.

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Exediron wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:29 am
2/7 likely to be correct, IMO. That's a bold slate.

Where's the fun in safe predictions?

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After a memorable 0/7 correct last year, here is my attempt for 2023: Verstappen won't win the title. Hamilton will force MBS to back down on his "free speech" rules. Schumacher drive the W14 for at least one race in 2023. Gasly will win his second race. Hamilton will score more points than Russell....

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Unfortunately, this might be curtains for poor Jenny in F1. Strokes are absolutely devastating and can take 6-8 weeks to recover as much function as possible. Fortunately, she works for one of the best media organisations in the world for staying loyal to employees. Andrew Marr had his show waiting ...

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At the end of the day a lot of people who clearly know more than you or I must think he's pretty good. Including Hamilton himself. Vowles is clearly an affable chap who has thrived in the no-blame culture at Mercedes (perhaps too much but I'll get to that in a bit). However, it's clear that he has ...

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This kind of behaviour doesn't shock me any more. There are some seriously misogynistic men out there who think women peak between 16-25 and after that are "past it". Senna was well known d-head both on and off the track but I still think he's probably the most complete and best driver ever despite ...

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