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Fiki

And this is not too different to 2021 when you compare what was done and how poorly each situation was handled. I would say the essential difference is quite clear and significant; whatever there was to know in order to protest and appeal in 2021, was known on the day of the assumed wrong itself. A...

Fiki

While Massa was a GP winner and just seconds away from being a world champion. Yes, because both Hamilton and Räikkönen had relatively poor seasons. In hindsight, things were not going to get any better for Räikkönen, but very few would have predicted that. See you can just invent whatever you want...

Fiki

And this is not too different to 2021 when you compare what was done and how poorly each situation was handled. I would say the essential difference is quite clear and significant; whatever there was to know in order to protest and appeal in 2021, was known on the day of the assumed wrong itself. A...

Fiki

I'm afraid I really don't see whether Alonso driving his car in a manor that is potentially dangerous to others is effected by the actions of Russell. It pointless deflection and knowing how you debate on here there is noway you'd let anyone ignore a line in a stewards verdict if it supported your ...

Fiki

I'm afraid I really don't see whether Alonso driving his car in a manor that is potentially dangerous to others is effected by the actions of Russell. It pointless deflection and knowing how you debate on here there is noway you'd let anyone ignore a line in a stewards verdict if it supported your ...

Fiki

Again just looking to paint over that they ignored Alonso's supposed throttle problem and Alonso never mentioned it in Japan, probably because it was fake, what Alonso presented doesn't seem to be true unlike what we saw with Russell which then of course makes him an easier target, beat not to be t...

Fiki

Which part of the regulation would a driver changing settings on the steering wheel or checking his mirrors be in breach of? As you know if you've read the report Alonso wasn't deemed responsible for Russell's actions. So your question is based off a false premise and therefore unanswerable. Given ...

Fiki

I don't believe the stewards verdict offers an opinion on that (Although I might have forgotten) What I do know is that it makes clear that the actions of Russell aren't relevant to the penalty. Therefore any discussion of whether Russell should or shouldn't have done things differently is merely a...

Fiki

Nothing in the stewards verdict suggests they need to. Alright, then at what point is the driver in front allowed to deviate from what he would normally do, in order to employ a defensive tactic? Would we be able to read that in their verdict? I don't believe the stewards verdict offers an opinion ...

Fiki

Given that the stewards said they punished Alonso's actions rather than the outcome could you perhaps explain how what Russell has said is in anyway mitigating? H ow can the driver in front know when the driver behind is paying attention to the car ahead? I'm willing to believe the stewards only pu...

Fiki

Which Russell revealed in Japan, I'm not sure the stewards can see the future, however nice way to avoid the question which you can't answer in defence of Alonso. I can and did. The stewards didn't look at Alonso's real or pretended throttle problem, just as they didn't look at Russell's actions wh...

Fiki

I was just replying to the member who said he didn't make a mistake, where in the steward's report is this throttle problem of Alonso? I think in the part that dealt with Russell saying he was actually looking down when changing something on his steering wheel. Which Russell revealed in Japan, I'm ...

Fiki

To use your own logic Fiki, You've no idea if this is new information or if Russell said this in the stewards room 2 weeks ago. All you know is that it's not in the report. If Alonso's throttle "problem" not making the report isn't enough for you to conclude it wasn't mentioned in the stewards room...

Fiki

You've no idea if Russell provided any evidence this weekend that he didn't provide the stewards. The stewards specifically said that they were punishing Alonso's actions rather than the outcomes. Ah but I do know that Russell didn't provide any evidence this weekend, since the matter wasn't review...

Fiki

Alonso was penalised for his actions. Not for what his actions resulted in. That's one way of looking at it. This is from The Race's article on the drivers points of view on the matter: Oscar Piastri felt that the stewards were "giving someone a penalty for causing dirty air". https://www.the-race....

Fiki

I thought that Alonso told the stewards he made a mistake. He did. Which in itself isn't breaking the rules. The question is whether Alonso making a mistake while Russell is checking his steering wheel is enough to earn him a penalty. And that is where his potential throttle problem may come back i...

Fiki

We don't need to try and work it out. It's in the stewards report. Alonso shifted down on the straight (F1 gearboxes aren't automatic so this is a choice he made) before shifting back up before the corner. Russell reacting or not isn't very important as it's got zilch to do with the offence But it ...

Fiki

We know what Alonso does... Alonso comes off the throttle and changes down a gear way before the corner. So early he has time to go back up a gear and get back on the throttle before he even gets to the corner. The question is not what happened but whether we think driving of the nature on the stra...

Fiki

Don't forget when discussing Barrichello, against Irvine but also later, that he took a very long time indeed getting back on his feet after Imola 1994. I don't think it was his own accident that marked him badly, but the death of Senna. Knowing that doesn't alter the numbers, true enough, but this ...

Fiki

Oh, I've no doubt that without the big crash there is no penalty. That's because of shoddy stewarding rather than a defence for Alonso though. What is clearly borderline (just judging by the split response from the drivers) is Alonso's driving and whether that was over the line or not. What I think...

Fiki

Even If I except all this.... Are you really continuing to argue that it's fine for a driver to drive in a manor that relies on other drivers having this super power? The last part is a fine line, whether what Alonso did in Australia crossed that line is obviously something that not everyone agrees...

Fiki

Indeed, caught napping by someone slowing massively 200m before the normal braking zone . Maybe we will see someone catch a closely following driver napping slowing down to 4th gear on the entry to copse at Silverstone I take it you didn't bother to read the stewards' report on the matter? Why do y...

Fiki

It may be something else in the report Fiki is referring to. But cryptic all the same! Not cryptic at all Siao, I even underlined what it was I took issue with. Nothing in the stewards report precludes Alonso's slowing to be 200m before the braking zone. Have you read it? I'm happy to be able to sa...

Fiki

I take it you didn't bother to read the stewards' report on the matter? Why do you always hit me with some laborious admin work just to reveal that it was actually 100m before the braking zone not 200m as if it makes any difference to the point about braking unpredictably early or excessively for a...

Fiki

I read that this morning, and was a bit surprised myself. Caught napping at breakfast, so to speak. I believe the Mercedes steering wheels have switches at the back, and he may have been operating those. But I don't see him operating a switch on the front of the steering wheel in the relevant on-bo...

Fiki

I thought this comment from Russell was very telling. Caught napping in other words. "Obviously a bit of a strange situation that happened last week. Totally caught by surprise. I was actually looking at the steering wheel, making a switch change in the straight, which, you know, we all do across t...

Fiki

I gave my answer which you quickly dismissed, since then other more prominent figures have come up with the same answer. I see. No I don't, but let's just leave it there. The real problem isn't whether Alonso faked a throttle problem or not, it is whether a dangerous situation existed, or a potenti...

Fiki

You said how was Alonso able to fake it, answers on a postcard, kind of looks like you didn't think it was possible. I asked a question, which you might have understood from the use of the ? at the end. I gave my answer which you quickly dismissed, since then other more prominent figures have come ...

Fiki

Fair enough but you originally thought it wasn't possible. When I explained how he could have done it you then needed someone with an accredited opinion to say likewise. I believe that Jolyon Palmer has now come out and said it also the Missed Apex Podcast although I guess they wouldn't be experts,...

Fiki

The fact that it's not on the report somehow proves you're right, surely you have to prove that it really happened, meanwhile it seems somewhat widespread that he was blipping his throttle trying to create a throttle problem as an attempted cover story, it seems that got quickly ditched. The fact t...

Fiki

The fact that it is not in the report means that it is not in the report, nothing more. We don't know whether Alonso did simulate a throttle problem, only that the stewards didn't look into it. Which means that we don't know what precisely went on. I am not a fan of Alonso, so I can live with whate...

Fiki

Why you seem to feel a need to exaggerate what you believe I wrote, or twist what I actually wrote is something I don't know or understand. But I can tell you I don't like it. This is what I actually wrote on page 5: The fact that it's not on the report somehow proves you're right, surely you have ...

Fiki

Others have said it as well, interesting after I said it when you asked how it was possible to fake a throttle problem, then you still said it wasn't possible. Not even after his criticism of the penalty given against him, no mention of his throttle problem from Alonso. Alonso was messing about, Ru...

Fiki

You say that today Senna would have been penalised, I give an example of a recent incident and then you say I'm taking the the thread OT, conversation over then. The prime difference between the two cases is that Hamilton was unable to use the room on his inside. Rosberg did. Rosberg never even mad...

Fiki

There was no contact, Rosberg braked which then spun his car, Verstappen closed the door firmly on Hamilton in Silverstone 2021, Hamilton got penalised for the contact, it's not to dissimilar. With the exception of course that Hamilton could never make the corner based on his trajectory. Let’s not ...

Fiki

It's the Alonso argument as much as anything, even Alonso knew he had over stepped the mark when he started blipping his throttle trying to make out he had a throttle problem, that problem seems to have quietly disappeared. It didn't disappear quietly, it's just that we have no indication any techn...

Fiki

I would say if there had been contact then more probably Rosberg gets penalised. It is extremely hard to see from the overhead whether there was any contact or not. Senna closed the door pretty firmly on Rosberg, that is for sure. If Rosberg was unsettled by that, indeed it would be on him. But it ...

Fiki

Do we know exactly what he actually did, driver in front does something erratically, it's the fault of the driver behind in not being able to take avoiding action. Indeed, I don't remember anyone defending Stroll in Texas 2022, I guess to some here it was Alonso's poor concentration and reaction sp...

Fiki

I don't know how people can know what Russell could have done differently, plain and simply if you drive erratically that then causes a collision or crash then you should be penalised. He could have, and i guess it sounds ridiculous and unheard of in racing, braked. Do we know exactly what he actua...

Fiki

The question is with each passing year that Merc and Hamilton continue their dominance does it hurt Max Verstappen’s long term legacy in the sport? It seems like he doesn’t maximize his opportunities on many occasions - none clearer than today. It’s always interesting to read these old threads back...

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