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Just seen on the news that Roger Federer has been beaten by a player ranked 116th. Often seen this in golf, even with say Tiger Woods at his best, being beaten by a player ranked 39th. I don't think Federer or Woods are inferior as athletes in their own fields to any of Fangio, Senna, Alonso, Hamilt...

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Some surprisingly slow cars used by World Driver Champions, that car-rated at slower than 100.5: 1958: Hawthorn's Ferrari 246 Dino. Only skewed WDC points gave this package the WDC ahead of the much faster Vanwall car driven by Moss. 1964: Surtees's Ferrari 158. Unreliability of the much faster Lotu...

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As Moss always said, WDCs so often mess up races. Agree with Argentum here, that the WDC in late 2016 affected Nico's driving/approach. :thumbdown: The WDC also affected Lewis's strategy: backing Nico up was not 'racing' for the win, it was 'driving' for the WDC. :thumbdown: How much better F1 would...

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Data sharing: does anyone know how Schumacher and Rosberg worked/cooperated as team-mates 2010-2012? My 'thinking' is that Nico must have picked up so much from Michael and his data, but I have no evidence. Anyone?

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My guy Romain: in an interview about a year ago, Romain said he'd tried too hard to win races from the start, that it was because he'd had some success too soon. He was referring to 2012 at Lotus where he scored a 2nd and two 3rds early on. Then he had those 'incidents' of over-enthusiasm, and says ...

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Whatever the 'accidents' in any season, if your team-mate (or rival) is slightly faster than you, it is usually impossible to win overall. WDC points allocations are not accurate indicators of driver comparisons. Mansell/Wms -Honda in 1986 was clearly faster than Prost/McL-P; just as Hamilton in 201...

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Also depends on whether there is competition within teams surely? Within-team competition is important. A team-mate is the greatest threat to any driver going for the WDC, having the same equipment. But only if the team-mate is fast enough. Good examples when team-mates were both fast, close-matche...

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Unlikeyouday's post on McLaren is serious! What a problem. I don't think there is any chance of McLaren doing their own engine. Without knowing the financials/economics, but going by how few engine manufacturers there have always been compared to chassis-car builders, engine-building costs must be p...

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Makes things so hard having to THINK about them. Like others here I enjoy all F1: teams, cars and drivers and most of all the racing/competition. Favourite driver? By talent/ability? By personality? I like Kimi being so low key even when he wins. Massa for being so damn nice and kind. Vettel for his...

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RaggedMan wrote:
Zoue wrote:Supporting my favourite driver is a triumph of hope over experience: Kimi
Your pain is my pain, brother.

both of you!

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Good stats Iamo and interesting topic and discussion. :thumbup: I preferred 2007-2008 to the last three seasons (2014-2016), because there were two teams and three/four drivers fighting at the front in most races. In 2007 no-one else got a win, but in 2009 there were a few outlier wins too, much lik...

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Posting on another thread about rookie Irvine daring to overtake Senna, and getting punched in the face for it, reminded me of an even funnier overtake. Back in 1937 two of the 6.0-litre, V16 supercharged Auto-Unions raced in South Africa. The races were handicap events, so Rosemeyer had to drive at...

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MistaVega discussing Eddie Irvine in 1997 is a reminder. In 1999 Eddie almost winning the WDC for Ferrari must go down as one of the great underdog performances. In his usual mild, polite and gentle way Felipe Massa said "Having Fernando as a team mate is not easy", referring to their time as team-m...

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The packages (car-and-driver combined) are what win WDCs, so perceptions are less skewed than with some drivers or cars. As usual in discussing F1 there are so many qualifications,ifs,buts and howevers. There are more packages here than there were the 67 seasons 1950-2016. Reason is that some driver...

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As expected most of the WDC drivers' winning cars were the fastest of their season, at 59.7%. Also as expected the next fastest car-rating of 100.1 provided 13.4% of the WDC winners' transport. AT car-ratings of 100.2 and 100.3 each provided 9% of the WDC winners. At 100.4 just 3% of the cars. At my...

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Exideron: in my post above about the 2010-2016 seasons (on this thread) the thread is about the cars. The 2102 Williams-Renault was not slower than 100.5. Maldonado's win in the Williams-Renault in Valencia 2012 was clearly one of those occasional underdog/outlier wins. Everything came together for ...

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Alonso will retire after the first fly away races. Hamilton finishes all races on the podium. Bottas wins at least one race. Verstappen gets at least one pole. Ricciardo wins back to back races for the first time. Vettel tells Arrivabene to f*** off over team radio at Monza. :lol: about Vettel. :th...

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I remember 2007-2008 races being very predictable: working on my ratings then, one could virtually predict from qualy times how far apart the cars would be at race-end. This is what Ross Brawn bemoaned in 2012, and what Pokerman and Iamo accurately discuss above. I also agree wholeheratedly with Mik...

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Which cars had the biggest advantage but that did not win the WDC? Perceptions created by packages, 'name' drivers or results can be deceptive and sometimes obscure pure car-ratings. 1982: The fastest two cars were rated equal, the Renault and the Williams-Cosworth 08; the Ferrrari was 0.2 slower. 1...

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Interesting as always. Off topic a bit but I was wondering earlier, which car had the biggest advantage without either of its drivers being able to win the WDC in it? Perhaps the Renault or Ferrari of 82? or the Williams of 86? The Renault turbos or the Ferrari 1982 seem to be candidates; have to l...

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:thumbup: So Bernie E raced stadium ovals too! Bernie was always an enthusiast, really understood racing and has his own collection of restored F1 cars. Wish he'd open it to the public like Donington. Whenever Bernie gave his assessment of drivers, it was always valuable and accurate. From memory I ...

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Agree about the front wings. They are hideous and cause so many accidents/tyre-slashing/retirements. Hypothetically if all aero wings and undersides were banned, would the cars not be too fast/unsafe for the circuits? All evolved together, and as usual no-one could foresee what would happen in years...

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These are figures from my System, and are independent of the car (ie car-neutral). Most WDCs driver-rated at 100.0: from Fangio in 1951 and Ascari 1952,1953 to Vettel in 2011, 2013 and Hamilton in 2014, 2015. What boosted the number of 100.0 driver-rated WDCs was that several won a few WDCs: Schumac...

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Collating my stats reveals some interesting phenomena about 'Underdog' race-winners: Packages have remained at about the same speed/ package-ratings (100.72 -100.94) 1990 to 2016. Drivers have remained at exactly the same speed/driver ratings (100.70-100.75) 1990-2016. Cars have remained at the same...

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The decade-average car-ratings for the slowest race-winners: 1990s: 100.860 ie 0.860-secs/lap slower than the fastest cars' 100.0 rating. 2000s: 100.875 ie 0.875 -secs/lap slower. 2010s: huge change, no outlier/underdog race winning cars slower than 100.5. Throughout GP/F1 history, I found that the ...

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The decade average driver-ratings for the slowest race-winners:
1990s: 100.75; ie 0.75-secs/lap slower than the fastest drivers at 100.0.
2000s: 100.72 ie 0.72-secs /lap slower.
2010s: 100.70, ie 0.7-secs/lap slower.

Virtually no change in these underdog/outlier driver-ratings since 1990.

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The decade average of the slowest race-winning packages: 1990s: rated at 100.94. Ie 0.94 secs/lap slower than the fastest packages'at 100.0. 2000s: rated at 100.85. ie 0.85 secs/lap 2010s: rated at 100.72.ie 0.72-secs/lap Slight changes each decade of about 0.1-sec per lap for these 'outlier' or und...

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Thinking about 2017 and overtaking: apart from aero/close following, there is one factor imo that will not make overtaking easier: the sheer footprint size of the new cars with their wider tyres. Some time ago, when there were many startline and first corner collisions, I drew plan views of the cars...

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While not being able to argue strongly enough either way about telemetry access or availability, I don't think it will affect inter driver competitiveness. It may close gaps between, as Lewis asserts with Nico Rosberg. But that can work both ways too: back in 2013 (? ) Monaco qualy Nico was consiten...

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You did get back on track: to very promising F1 driver Tony Brise. Sad aircraft accident that. Tony was obviously influenced into racing by his Dad.
Some F1 drivers came from ovals/stadium tracks: Andretti, Al Unser (just one race for BRM), Warwick. Who else?

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Herb: agreed a driver like King would probably have done well in whatever category he chose. Just remembered Johnny King's car had an Oldsmobile Rocket V8 in SA. You just never know when this vital info could help if marooned on a desert island when all you're wearing is an anorak.

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Anyone know or have stats on how many winning drivers there have been 1950-2016? 106 different winners according to Wiki. First was Farina and 106th was Verstappen. Thanks for that. A small number really, and it does not increase much year-on-year. Scarcity of top cars and domination by a few drive...

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Looking at how Irvine rates for each of his seasons 1993 -1999: 1993: only competed twice, driver-rated slow, just 0.1 behind Barrichello. 1994; slowest of three Jordan drivers, ranked closely at 0.1 gaps in order Barrichello, de Cesaris then Irvine. 1995:equal to DC and faster than Jordan team-mate...

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flyboy10 wrote:As I remember, Irvine was a Suzuka specialist from racing there in lower formulae. The question you should be asking is maybe about his pace later in the race and why it wasn't as quick.

this is the reason Irvine was fast initially at Suzuka.

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Wet weather victories: 1968 Nurburgring Stewart/Matra-Cosworth won by I think 4 minutes in rain. What was not highlighted was that he was the only one on special tyres. 1961 Moss/Lotus-Climax win on damp road Nurburgring: he had the only set of the latest Dunlops which gave a huge advantage over any...

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Just seen Busch win what must have been an exciting race. No mirror!

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That pic shown by Invade above here: beautiful colour and graphics!

What a change from that dull, invisible charcoalish blob.
Let's hope the team does well.

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Changing driver attitudes? Just read some of Vettel's radio 'messages'. Hilarious and make Kimi's look so dull and conventional. :) In 2013 Malaysian GP Sebastian yelled to his pitcrew: "Mark is to slow, get him out of the way. He's too slow." If they'd had radio back in the day, can you imagine Fan...

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Pace was imo about like Kubica: talented and getting really fast/good when he died in an aircrash. Agree with Lt D: If Keke Rosberg could win the 1982 WDC in the Williams, I think Reutemann would have done even better, being faster and more experienced. Yeah I sort of got an impression he must have...

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Just collated and compared the race-winning ratings slower than 100.5 and found some trends or patterns: there are about 50% more package winners than drivers. there are about 50% more driver winners than cars. As field performance and tech knowledge converged: the number of race-winners slower than...

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