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- Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:15 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
Lots of sports benefit people with certain physical advantages. I'm fine with the advantage being removed but I see no reason to factor it out whilst it existed. The advantage Prost had was created entirely by the rule markers arbitrary decision to just include car weight. They also continued to ke...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:58 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
I have no idea about Stewart. It’s not my era and it would be dishonest to speculate. I haven’t seen a single race of his, nor know the kind of gaps he was putting on team mates and the field. Prost I feel confident to speak about, I’ve watched all his races multiple times. Live and re-watched havin...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:03 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
So, can anyone provide a list of the weights of the F1 wdc's until the rule change, so that we can have a proper re-assessment? ;) Most drivers fall into the 65-75kg range. In fact the current grid 17/20 drivers fall within 66-73kg. That’s a 7kg range for 85% of the grid. That’s about 0.2 between t...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:19 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
My example was to present that physical size isn't the one and only rule, skill plays also into it. I never argued that Webb was the best ever, so asking me why he is not mentioned as the best ever is a bit of a strawman I think. Apologies if I got this wrong. Let's get back on track; you mentioned...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:32 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
My example with that race was in reply to your sentence "all things being equal". It was as equal as you could get, his weight advantage wasn't that critical in that race. And he was 15th as he was shunted by Senna and De Angelis, not because he was slow. Basketball example was clear, don't shift t...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:18 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
Lots of sports benefit people with certain physical advantages. I'm fine with the advantage being removed but I see no reason to factor it out whilst it existed. The advantage Prost had was created entirely by the rule markers arbitrary decision to just include car weight. They also continued to ke...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:49 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
I never really understanding detracting a drivers standing because of a weight advantage. We don't do that with any other physical advantage in any other sport. In which other sport would it be relevant? If it was not a advantage, why did they change the rules to include driver weight? Would you ha...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:43 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
I never really understanding detracting a drivers standing because of a weight advantage. We don't do that with any other physical advantage in any other sport. If it becomes a huge competitive advantage then sure we do; take boxing as an example. Most age-group based competitions also exist to neg...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:12 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
I never really understanding detracting a drivers standing because of a weight advantage. We don't do that with any other physical advantage in any other sport. In which other sport would it be relevant? If it was not a advantage, why did they change the rules to include driver weight? Would you ha...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:07 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
I never really understanding detracting a drivers standing because of a weight advantage. We don't do that with any other physical advantage in any other sport. If it becomes a huge competitive advantage then sure we do; take boxing as an example. Most age-group based competitions also exist to neg...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:02 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
I never really understanding detracting a drivers standing because of a weight advantage. We don't do that with any other physical advantage in any other sport. In which other sport would it be relevant? If it was not a advantage, why did they change the rules to include driver weight? Would you ha...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:22 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
In the eras I have watched. The true greats Senna / Schumacher / Hamilton / Verstappen / Alonso Almost greats or maybe greats Prost / Vettel / Mansell Below the greats Hakkinen / Raikkonen / Rosberg / Button Needed the car to win Hill / Villenueve The bottom tier and top tier I am sure of, the two ...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:21 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
I never really understanding detracting a drivers standing because of a weight advantage. We don't do that with any other physical advantage in any other sport. In which other sport would it be relevant? If it was not a advantage, why did they change the rules to include driver weight? Would you ha...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:28 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
In the eras I have watched. The true greats Senna / Schumacher / Hamilton / Verstappen / Alonso Almost greats or maybe greats Prost / Vettel / Mansell Below the greats Hakkinen / Raikkonen / Rosberg / Button Needed the car to win Hill / Villenueve The bottom tier and top tier I am sure of, the two ...
- Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:23 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
- Replies: 423
- Views: 9941
Alain Prost, and the historical effect of weight in F1
In the eras I have watched. The true greats Senna / Schumacher / Hamilton / Verstappen / Alonso Almost greats or maybe greats Prost / Vettel / Mansell Below the greats Hakkinen / Raikkonen / Rosberg / Button Needed the car to win Hill / Villenueve The bottom tier and top tier I am sure of, the two ...
- Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:55 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
- Replies: 179
- Views: 6174
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
It has to be JV IMO from the era I've been watching, although had I been watching for longer, I'm pretty sure Rosberg sr. and Mario would be up there, only winning because the drivers ahead of them suffered career ending crashes mid-season. JV basically got lucky in every race he won in 1997. One c...
- Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:45 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
- Replies: 179
- Views: 6174
Re: Who do you rank at the bottom of the list of F1 WDCs?
In the eras I have watched. The true greats Senna / Schumacher / Hamilton / Verstappen / Alonso Almost greats or maybe greats Prost / Vettel / Mansell Below the greats Hakkinen / Raikkonen / Rosberg / Button Needed the car to win Hill / Villenueve The bottom tier and top tier I am sure of, the two m...
- Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:32 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: The Official Sir Lewis Hamilton thread
- Replies: 5307
- Views: 1355595
Re: The Official Sir Lewis Hamilton thread
Has Hamilton truly got on top of Russel now? Some ahead when both finished statistics. 2022: first 8 races Hamilton 1 Russell 7 2022: last 14 races Hamilton 8 Russell 3 Overall Hamilton 9 Russell 10 2023 Hamilton 10 Russell 4 After Hamiltons disastrous start to 2022 in which he finished behind for 7...
- Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:28 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2023 Qatar Grand Prix Race Thread
- Replies: 433
- Views: 12803
Re: 2023 Qatar Grand Prix Race Thread
I only saw the race highlights, although I did see the sprint. Can someone explain to me why Hamilton started the actual race on softs given how awful they were in the sprint?
- Fri Sep 08, 2023 3:49 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32646
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Fillipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
An investigation would not disprove or prove of any of that. I think you are putting far too much weight into what an investigation can achieve when it’s in everybody interest to maintain the lie. We have already had an investigation and “confessions” and they directly contradict one another, becaus...
- Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:19 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32646
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Fillipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
Exactly, you have no way of knowing he would have too. But considering he did not confess and we all know there were big discussions about this in the paddock about it. Do you think people that cheat in a highly suspicious way, do not plan for the aftermath? This was all part of the plan. They knew ...
- Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:39 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32646
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Fillipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
Massa doesn't need to factor any of that into his case is that the FIA were told of what had happened in Brazil 08 and should have opened an investigation then. Had they done so the correct action in accordance to the rules would be to anul the race making Massa champion. I don't think that's corre...
- Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:18 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32646
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Fillipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
It won't be easy to win that one. First, he and his legal team must prove that the FIA knew and did not act according to their rules deliberately with the intent to harm Massa (the "conspiracy"). That will be difficult with two key witnesses dead and one (Ecclestone) apparently unwilling to help. E...
- Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:47 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32646
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Fillipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
It won't be easy to win that one. First, he and his legal team must prove that the FIA knew and did not act according to their rules deliberately with the intent to harm Massa (the "conspiracy"). That will be difficult with two key witnesses dead and one (Ecclestone) apparently unwilling to help. E...
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:21 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Will Red Bull still be dominant in 2024?
- Replies: 132
- Views: 5397
Re: Will Red Bull still be dominant in 2024?
I don't know how much of a hit to the budget having to replace a wrecked chassis is, but Gary Anderson raised that point concerning Red Bull post-Silverstone. I suppose it knocked a fair few cucumber sandwiches off the catering trays... Also, why should a team be punished for coming up with the bes...
- Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Will Red Bull still be dominant in 2024?
- Replies: 132
- Views: 5397
Re: Will Red Bull still be dominant in 2024?
Yes probably. However, I don't see liberty media and the stakeholders allowing the massive popularity they have created to be wiped out by the sport becoming extremely boring so they will tweak the rules to slow them down. It happened to Ferrari and it happened to Red Bull and Mercedes previously. ...
- Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:54 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Will Red Bull still be dominant in 2024?
- Replies: 132
- Views: 5397
Re: Will Red Bull still be dominant in 2024?
Yes probably. However, I don't see liberty media and the stakeholders allowing the massive popularity they have created to be wiped out by the sport becoming extremely boring so they will tweak the rules to slow them down. It happened to Ferrari and it happened to Red Bull and Mercedes previously. M...
- Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:34 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2023 Belgian Grand Prix Race Thread
- Replies: 105
- Views: 4474
Re: 2023 Belgian Grand Prix Race Thread
I would advise anyone to look at the Piastri onboard replay of the start and then honestly say that Piastri could not back out of it. In my view he could have and therefore he should have. Jolyon Palmer even said so during the replay. What was Piastri gaining by continuing on his path? Absolutely n...
- Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:18 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2023 Belgian Grand Prix Race Thread
- Replies: 105
- Views: 4474
Re: 2023 Belgian Grand Prix Race Thread
Perez sweeping aggressively across the track in two directions set off a chain of events. It meant that he forced everybody (Sainz and Hamilton) to the outside. This put Sainz in a position that he had to lock up and turn right to avoid rear ending Hamilton. At the start of the braking zone, Piastri...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 8:15 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
Hamilton had floor damage from lap 4 onwards in Australia 2019. The exact point Bottas began to pull away. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-relieved-mercedes-found-australian-gp-floor-damage-5281023/5281023/ You will also notice Hamilton mention the 1.9 second delta needed to pass a...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:13 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2023 Belgian Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread
- Replies: 340
- Views: 11133
Re: 2023 Belgian Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread
Looking forward to Fiki’s analysis of why that was a penalty for Hamilton haha
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:53 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
Regardless of that, you are saying it took Hamilton 30 laps (of a 70 lap race) to come from 8 second behind to overtaking. Hamilton jumped to third place on lap 17 and jumped into second place on lap 45. It took him 28 laps of a 70 lap race (40% race distance) to catch Perez from 8 seconds back and...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:39 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
Hamilton had floor damage from lap 4 onwards in Australia 2019. The exact point Bottas began to pull away. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-relieved-mercedes-found-australian-gp-floor-damage-5281023/5281023/ You will also notice Hamilton mention the 1.9 second delta needed to pass at...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:21 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
The other thing at play is, why are Red Bull so weak on sprint weekends? Is this driver related, team related? Red Bull have won the last 20 none sprint weekends races. Going back to Silverstone 2022 which they lost because Max hit debris and damaged his floor (sound familiar? Brazil 2022). Ignoring...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:15 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
No, you are going around the subject. My question was where would Max be in this race. I am not really interested in a Hamilton vs Perez. Hamilton was clearly faster than Perez but you tried to skew it to the extreme by ommiting key details just like you always do. Like you did a little earlier, omi...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:41 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
…with Hamilton on 6 lap fresher tyres. You neglected to highlight that part and cropped it out.
No doubt Hamilton was quicker but why do you ignore or omit details that don’t back you your argument?
No doubt Hamilton was quicker but why do you ignore or omit details that don’t back you your argument?
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:25 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
What is false about it? I’m asking to speculate, bring your for and against, counter my argument. That’s a discussion. We have KV telling us how useless Perez is (which is pretty true) and Perez can only ever beat Max with luck. Which I agree with. So why wasn’t Max going to do his normal in Brazil...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:16 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull's Checo Conundrum
- Replies: 517
- Views: 30333
Re: Red Bull's Checo Conundrum
That’s a crazy stat with regards to rain, that must be a record
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:23 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
What is false about it? I’m asking to speculate, bring your for and against, counter my argument. That’s a discussion. We have KV telling us how useless Perez is (which is pretty true) and Perez can only ever beat Max with luck. Which I agree with. So why wasn’t Max going to do his normal in Brazil ...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:31 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
- Replies: 259
- Views: 19088
Re: Winning Streaks in the Lewis Hamilton Era
Didn't Verstappen also score a lucky safety car assisted win in Saudi 2022? First time I'd thought Perez looked genuinely quicker. He was quicker in qualifying and got track position and managed the lead. Max was just bottled up behind in the first phase. Without the SC, Perez wins but that does no...