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It's confusing, Nico is rubbished in one breath and lauded the next, I think he's done extremely well. How many other drivers in his position would have caved in and settled for being a very well paid number two? It’s all relative. Nico is clearly a great driver. He is very quick over one lap and v...

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I thought the discussion was about the Mercedes vs Redbull in the Wet? I personally don't know how to compare the Redbull and Mercedes in full wet conditions because Hamilton is so good, Rosberg is poor, Verstappen is good and Ricciardo was good at Monaco. Verstappen looks quicker than his teammate...

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To add to my last point, there is also a strong argument that Brazil is not a fair reflection on DR’s wet weather performance relative to Max (and Rosberg/Hamilton once you decide where the cars sit) if his visor was really causing him a lot of trouble through the race.

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I have read an article that said the Redbull was the best car this year in wet conditions. Not that the Mercedes is bad, they are probably even I guess. Don't buy it after yesterday and after Silverstone. Verstappen had Rosberg beat on both occasions in the wet but couldn't touch Hamilton. While th...

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The reality is max was very good on Sunday. I think most would also agree that rain plays to the strengths of the red bulls, seeing as we all look forward to a wet race as we know that red Bull have closed the gap sufficiently by now to be close to equal or stronger in those conditions. So whether y...

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If Hamilton has a healthy enough lead I think they would give priority to Nico and try and get him past the Red Bulls - as I believe they have done in the past. I think Hamilton would just manage the gap though so it would become a non-issue though. He would ensure the gap is no more than a few seco...

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Verstappen and Hamilton clearly the class of the field today, but the one period they were racing it was Max who made the mistake, so Hamilton edges it for me. Wouldn't like to call which car was quicker in those conditions. Great race though once it got up and running!

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Just watched a short interview from Sky. Brundle and Ron Dennis. (sorry, no link, but on sky ) He says that the drivers were complaining about a lack of grip, not a lack of power? Rons says they went down the wrong path. Be that just on the day, or n the factory he does not clear up It seems the fr...

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Just watched a short interview from Sky. Brundle and Ron Dennis. (sorry, no link, but on sky ) He says that the drivers were complaining about a lack of grip, not a lack of power? Rons says they went down the wrong path. Be that just on the day, or n the factory he does not clear up It seems the fr...

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Would just be nice if the mercs have no cars between them after turn 1, regardless of where they are. Would like to see them in the same race for once this season. No hold much hope though.

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Also teams will no longer to be able to do what Mercedes did for Hamilton in taking lots of penalties at one GP in order to "stockpile" power unit components. Not sure how it will work, maybe a rule saying only one of each component can be taken in a weekend (unless it breaks again obviously) or so...

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So then... the brakes shouldn't be used to praise Nico's performance or excuse Lewis'. If the brakes were not a problem then they are a non factor in judging performance. The brakes were an anticipated problem. Assuming both Nico and Lewis had the same parts attatched then neither driver should be ...

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Rosberg.

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Would P2P be significantly different to KERS, or perhaps the KERS before the most recent modifications? As several have already said I just don’t see how this does enough to tackle the current aero issues which make it so difficult to follow. Even now if you can get close enough to take a car in fro...

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Haha, just a beast. Didn’t seem that way in 2007 – sure it was fairly even but seem to recall Hamilton came out better a fair few times at the start of the season when he qualified behind. Have to give it to you that Alonso is probably more practiced at it of late though! Of course it had nothing to...

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If it was only a constructors championship I'd understand more, but again for teams like williams who buy in an engine it's unfair they are penalised when they have no control over that component. For example Red Bull, any issues with their engine this year were completely out of their control, no ...

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I'd go with first change that induces a penalty in a weekend as is, any subsequent change means the previous components no longer available for use. If you just say no extra changes Alonso would have been out this weekend, I want the drivers on track! Surely you just say that duplicates of the same...

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See I completely disagree with that. It is more controversial when it affects two drivers from the same team, as they have the same machinery so it is clearly largely influenced by luck, although the driver can come into it, particularly if they have a big collision or something. But when a driver g...

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Im glad Mercedes could take advantage of it otherwise Hamilton would of had to take more penalties at other races and Rosberg gets more freebies. I understand you are glad because you have an interest in Hamilton. But objectively speaking it's a farce Grid penalties deciding a title race is more of...

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Well at least there are no excuses for them to close the loophole before it affects two drivers competing from different teams. If for example Rosberg is racing Alonso for the title next season - Nico in a bulletproof Mercedes engine, and Alonso with a quick, but unreliable Honda unit, but taking 5 ...

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The inconsistent enforcement of the regulations is something I definitely believe is a common occurrence. It is a cancer on this sport deeply ingrained into it's fabric. When you have different stewards, guest stewards, and the sordid politics of Formula one, consistency is just a fantasy. That's a...

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Tough to call with so many out of position making it tough to compare team mates. Hamilton was quickly past Alonso of the start but being on the outside had to ease of as a Ferrari was sat in front of him. I think the most impressive thing about Hamilton today was that he drove fairly conservatively...

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So doing a better job than the second best team, at the same point in development terms but a year later than everyone else, is quite a feat?

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There are lots of variables at play here and I think this kind of shows how they've gone a bit too far with the current engine regulations. Not only does he have to take the penalty for using too many components, he also has to be careful to time the penalty so that he can use upgraded components f...

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I think ultimately the single/double penalty will be dependent on engine upgrades – If Mercedes have them coming they may have to take two single penalties, as both drivers are so close in terms of speed that any advantage to Rosberg would be huge. Hopefully the penalties are not a particularly big ...

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That approach though is likely to be worth a tenth or two in gains to the no. 1 and perhaps a similar size handicap to the no. 2. Without reading to much in to the numbers (complete guess and would vary between tracks) but do you not think Mercedes would be just as cut throat and use the same approa...

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I think a lot of people place a lot of weighting on Vettel's 2014, not because it was a bad year, but because it is becoming increasingly apparent that DR is his most competitive team mate in F1 to date. You can look at it as an off-year or poor form, but in reality is form really going to last a wh...

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I think a lot of people tend to form opinions without looking at the bigger picture. I think the capability of the car has a huge influence on the approach a driver takes. I would argue that Alonso (and Hamilton perhaps more recently) is very good at adjusting the aggression in order to get consist...

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I think a lot of people tend to form opinions without looking at the bigger picture. I think the capability of the car has a huge influence on the approach a driver takes. I would argue that Alonso (and Hamilton perhaps more recently) is very good at adjusting the aggression in order to get consiste...

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Considering the discussion was regarding stringing consecutive wins together you have to consider that 2013 was the end of a fairly lengthy set of regulations and the cars and particularly engines were more or less bullet proof. Hard to win 9 consecutive races when you can almost guarantee a few eng...

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Still think it is a fair assumption that the more a driver is pushed by a team mate or other rivals the more mistakes they are likely to make. Does not matter whether you are at the front or have a few teams in front of you. I am not saying Vettel would not win – but in my eyes he would undoubtedly ...

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In the Mercedes Ricciardo and Vettel would give him some serious problems. Nobody is as good at converting wins out of a race winning car as Vettel. 9 wins in a row in 2013. The Mercedes drivers have never managed that in a single season between them. I've got to scratch my head at your thinking he...

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Interesting observation. The drivers perceived as having good tyre management are generally quicker than their team mates at the time so have the luxury to concentrate on it, or vice versa. Goes with what the experts generally say. The better, smoother, quicker the driver the better at conserving ty...

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You could argue that it is just as unfair to have the same penalty for each different infringement. There is a certain extent that the inconsistency and uncertainty adds to the entertainment. That has always been one argument for not using video replays into football. You will never please everyone ...

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Agree with everything you have said. It is a tricky one though as it is impossible to have rules that cover every event/incident, and that is why you have stewards to officiate. It is as subjective as having a referee to decide when a penalty is required, but they go one step further and decide an a...

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There was a discussion on here a while back where some said that Hamilton’s motives around next year’s aero regs were driven more by his desire for Mercedes to retain the advantage. Perhaps his views on the start on Sunday will put that into perspective. He had the most to gain from a safety car sta...

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If NR gets a grid penalty at Hungary it will be 5 places, if for example LH gets an engine failure of say either his turbocharger or MGU-H.he will face a 10 place penalty, he gets more leeway with other engine components. If he gets the same parts fail again it would be a 15 place grid penalty . It...

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It's true that times change, but it's debatable that the level of information they receive is necessary. And I'm not sure I'd agree that limiting this is dumbing the sport down. It's no different from banning movable body parts, for example, or banning traction control. Imposing limits isn't necess...

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lamo wrote:How can Mercedes appeals Nico's penalty? In the rules it says these types of race penalties are not appealable?

That'll probably be why they've withdrawn the appeal then. According to BBC Sport.

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If Lewis were to retire next year, I'd seriously worry about mental health of some of our fellow forumites. Could they survive??? ;) I'd be much more worried about the health of the Hamilton detractors if Mercedes still leads the pack next season!! Some nice quick laps from Lewis at the start of th...

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