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Siao7

It is no coincidence that 2 of the longest winning streaks came from 2 Red Bull drivers (Vettel and now Verstappen). The dominance of this team(operations, strategy, team dynamics, aerodynamics) is even superior to any kind of dominance Verstappen could have against any driver. I have watched long ...

Siao7

Verstappen wasn't afraid of having an accident, what was on his mind was that he couldn't allow himself to miss the restart, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Siao7 brought up article 39.7 which says cars have to be in line behind the SC, but that is only until the unlapping has f...

Siao7

I recall Schumacher having an accident behind the SC in the Monaco tunnel. While the distance was probably still a maximum of 5 car lengths in between cars, that was lengthened to a maximum of 10. Which only increases the difficulty for somebody not wanting to be caught out at a restart. And that w...

Siao7

That's how it generally goes. Step 1. Behaviour is normal if not exactly by the book. Step 2. Verstappen does it Step 3. All hell breaks lose Step 4. New rules come into force to prevent this behaviour Step 5. This is bafflingly used as proof that the stewards/race director/FIA/King/Jesus/God obvio...

Siao7

The "Verstappen overtook under the SC" narrative is as much as red (dead, dead red?) herring as the "Hamilton should have defended harder" narrative. Before Verstappen started doing it drivers used to overlap (And I'm sure sometimes nudge ahead) under the SC all the time and nobody cared. Verstappe...

Siao7

and btw here is another rule that was breached 39.8 With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, Max overtook Lewis but they didnt issue the 5 seconds penalty as needed. Was the regulation breached? The stewards didn't think so, and M...

Siao7

There are some (few) forumers who defend everything that suits Verstappen and/ or damages Hamilton. You can easily trace that through various threads. That’s why they twist words and selectively count or discount rules, etc. I am impressed by the relentnessness and vigor with which they are arguing...

Siao7

You are absolutely right. The power of the RD to deviate from prescribed procedures is limited by the general principles you are quoting here. So, in the name of safety or to preserve the integrity of sports, for instance, the RD may deviate. But not for entertaining purposes - and especially not s...

Siao7

You are absolutely right. The power of the RD to deviate from prescribed procedures is limited by the general principles you are quoting here. So, in the name of safety or to preserve the integrity of sports, for instance, the RD may deviate. But not for entertaining purposes - and especially not s...

Siao7

dont remember exactly, but I got carried away sometimes, yes goes both ways, but I never presented this as the ultimate truth. Your exact words were: "So why didnt Masi pick some other guys for the benefit of racing? He picked specifically Max to benefit Max's racing ." Anyway, we all get carried a...

Siao7

As you are not a telepath you can not know what Masi wanted , obviously you make this up as you go. You've been talking about how Masi wanted to benefit Max; are you a telepath? How can you know what Masi wanted? It goes both ways you see. dont remember exactly, but I got carried away sometimes, ye...

Siao7

yeah but I was told by t2jd1967 the whole point of Masi did was that Max can attack Lewis, basicly he is admitting Masi manipulated the race, but the same time he also wants to hold it was according to the rules. But the rules prescribe fairness and equality :) Of course its going in circles when t...

Siao7

tootsie323 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:51 pm

Siao7 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:47 pm
... Tootsie mentioned in a much more eloquent way...
I've called a number of things in my time. 'Eloquent' is a bit like this topic subject - a deviation from the norm.

I've never been accused of that myself

But I only wrote what I truly believe!

Siao7

The regulation goes further than that, but you fail to quote those "following matters" . So I shall quote them for you, directly from the 2021 International Sporting Code : ARTICLE 11.10 DUTIES OF THE RACE DIRECTOR (APPLICABLE FOR CIRCUIT RACES ONLY) 11.10.1 A race director may be designated for th...

Siao7

1. yes that why RD has no overriding authority, as what is described the authority of the clerk, and over that has overriding of the RD 2. yes the stewards made up a new rule that 43.12 overredes 43.11 (or what the points were) as I have said its like taking a bread baking recipe and saying I dont ...

Siao7

A dumpster fire, get out while you can? I quite enjoy this thread and I guess that goes for all regulars here. Otherwise, why partake? Because there has been absolutely nothing new raised in over a year. Every time I look in, I see the same points being argued by the same people, without variation ...

Siao7

The RD modified the SC restart procedure for the benefit of Verstappen and Verstappen only, he manipulated the race to give Verstappen every chance to be world champion. The RD modified the SC restart for the benefit of racing. Verstappen being the key beneficiary of this was an outcome, not a deli...

Siao7

A dumpster fire, get out while you can? I quite enjoy this thread and I guess that goes for all regulars here. Otherwise, why partake? Because there has been absolutely nothing new raised in over a year. Every time I look in, I see the same points being argued by the same people, without variation ...

Siao7

The RD by his actions decided who was going to be world champion, he has to be incredibly dense not to realise the advantage he was giving to Max Verstappen by bending the rules and allowing Verstappen to restart the race directly behind Hamilton in a car that had to be about 2 to 3 seconds faster....

Siao7

It is not my job to find your arguments for you. You are empty handed. You couldn't be any more blind... I've only told you, playing the devil's advocate, that the definition you gave isn't absolute. Indeed, have a read in Cambridge dictionary (and not a forum that you provided): https://dictionary...

Siao7

yeah thank you, and any in that rule means all as Masi explained it at the Eifel GP, and it was always used in that way. What makes you think that rule meant, that Masi can handpick whichever car he wanted ? The rules of a sports are written so that it results in FAIR competition. and not in a way ...

Siao7

Its fine you want to change the meaning of english words in specific context. any in the rule ment all, as all precedent and Masi's confession at the eifel GP proves it. What you have as a proof? Nothing you just keep stating the opposite. Please show me where I keep stating the opposite (it is the...

Siao7

Its fine you want to change the meaning of english words in specific context. any in the rule ment all, as all precedent and Masi's confession at the eifel GP proves it. What you have as a proof? Nothing you just keep stating the opposite. Please show me where I keep stating the opposite (it is the...

Siao7

No, this is where you want to lead the discussion, not where it boils down to. The main question is if the rules were breached or not, and this can be decided without saying a word about the intentions of any ( means all! see? ) of the players. Why did Merc not apeal another derail, same as "why Ha...

Siao7

"What would have been the reason for the Stewards not to dismiss the protest by the Mercedes team?" Before this you said lets assume I am right and the rules were breached, whats the point asking this after that ? "The Race Director may well have erred, but why would the Stewards, named as Garry Co...

Siao7

Super Valid, lets add that even without Masi's Eifel confesssion, the rule reads that all cars must be unlapped, and there is no precedent before and after. Now you welcomed me with the statement I keep repeating myself, but you see its not my doing, YOU want to establish things that have been said...

Siao7

Hey Fiki, for my benefit, can you define the "more directly" influence over the championship please? You may have explained it somewhere in the chat, but it is a volume of posts that I'd have to go through to find it and I think it will be easier if I'd ask you directly. Simply put the race directo...

Siao7

Secondly, the final racing lap, enabled by the race director did not change the outcome of the championship. A legal overtake on that final lap did. Had you said that the championship was influenced by the deployment of the SC (instead of saying that it decided the championship), I would have agree...

Siao7

Have you ? Many times; you keep repeating yourself without seemingly reading what the other posters write. The other posters keep repeating also the same arguments, I hope they are breathing. :) Yes, they keep replying to you. Let's move along now, it's the season to be jolly and not moody! so how ...

Siao7

if a "game" you played would have been played according to the rules and then you would have won, then you didnt made a mistake. The mistake was done by the one crossing the rules. Take a deep breath and re-read the thread. Have you ? Many times; you keep repeating yourself without seemingly readin...

Siao7

Completely agree with you here; a red flag would have been a much better (albeit still dubious) solution to the situation that would have resulted in the much-ballyhooed grandstand finish. But you have to remember that this was all happening in real time, with immense pressure on Masi's shoulders. ...

Siao7

Also, why didn't he simply threw a red flag? Commercially, that would have been even better. And the end of the day, Masi failed to act to the responsibility standard you have to expect from a RD. Thus, he was rightfully removed from his job. Completely agree with you here; a red flag would have be...

Siao7

As I typed in response to Exedirons comment, & also in response to your initial enquiry to my claim, I in no way think Masi did what he did with the intent to directly benefit Verstappen. He took a course of action to set up the last lap shoot out, which in turn had the flow on effect of benefiting...

Siao7

I've had to re-read the FIA report on the breach and associated ABA . In short: Red Bull and the FIA disagreed on the accounting and Red Bull had to accept that some items that were not included in the overall cost should have been. The FIA determined that Red Bull did not act in bad faith and did ...

Siao7

Also, why didn't he simply threw a red flag? Commercially, that would have been even better. And the end of the day, Masi failed to act to the responsibility standard you have to expect from a RD. Thus, he was rightfully removed from his job. Completely agree with you here; a red flag would have be...

Siao7

Ross Brawn knew the 1999 Ferrari barge boards were illegal. He said it himself recently. At the risk of derailing this thread, can you please point me to that? I missed this completely. I think it is in his beyond the grid interview but I’m not 100% sure where I watched it (sorry). https://youtu.be...

Siao7

Ross Brawn knew the 1999 Ferrari barge boards were illegal. He said it himself recently. At the risk of derailing this thread, can you please point me to that? I missed this completely. I think it is in his beyond the grid interview but I’m not 100% sure where I watched it (sorry). https://youtu.be...

Siao7

I wrote that the publicly available information from independent sources stand in line with RB overspending on car development , i.e. them illegally excluding catering costs doesn't necessarily mean that the actual overspend was on catering. This is a matter of logic. Shall I repeat my little numer...

Siao7

Johnson wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:34 pm
Ross Brawn knew the 1999 Ferrari barge boards were illegal. He said it himself recently.

At the risk of derailing this thread, can you please point me to that? I missed this completely.

Siao7

Ok, thank you both for your replies, I haven't seen anything either. This whole saga possibly brought this item in the open for the rest of the teams Out of interest, do you have any accounting background? There is absolutely no way that teams would not pick up on any tax credit, rebate or subsidy ...

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