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Bit in bold; demonstrably untrue as multiple people have said over the years that he was one of the most adaptable drivers out there. Part of this also made him fairly useless for testing as he used to drive around the car issues, while drivers such as Irvine and Barrichello (probably one of the be...

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Anything in particular you disagree with? Not OP but Hamilton has repeatedly been praised as one of the best drivers at adapting to rear instability. Mercedes built their best car in the W11 by introducing changes Hamilton had been lobbying for - rear instability to improve the rotation of the car ...

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Jesus, if Norris fought Verstappen even half as hard as he fought Hamilton, there was a chance to deny Verstappen.

Is he trying to advertise himself as the perfect Red Bull number 2?

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Wow, Hamilton copping the blame.

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I feel a bit sorry for Russell. I feel the incident was a bit of a desperate chop from Hamilton there. I'd hate to think how toxic things will get if they can't move past this quickly...

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When you consider that Stewart was a rookie and Graham was at his peak, these must be considered impressive numbers against a double world champion in his prime? Stewart has stated he was signed explicitly as Hill's number two driver and that he honoured his contract. I suspect his stats against Hi...

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[Prost] is the only driver to make it a close fight with peak Senna. While Senna was faster, Prost showed more racecraft and race intelligence. I do think it is a valid opinion to rank Senna ahead. But it is IMO nonsense to claim a huge gap. Prost was only in contention in 1989 due to one sided rel...

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I kind of think you've just repeated what I've said adding a little kinder context. Which I agree with BTW... Looking at the broader context of your post, I can see that Mansell didn't need my defence! My point is that Prost beating Mansell in 1990 in the manor he did (basically being more reliable...

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Mansell is definitely at least a tier below and TBH his rating as part of the elite is almost entirely based on how he performed against Piquet in just 2 seasons. Piquet himself being very hard to rate given most of his success was effectively in a one car team. Mansell was worse than De Angelis at...

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Maybe in 2010. 2009 and 2012 would a pretty thin argument IMO. Not that he was bad. Agreed that 2010 was his best McLaren season. I think in 2009 there are very few drivers in contention IMO: Button, Vettel and Webber were all too inconsistent to usurp Hamilton who single handedly prevented McLaren...

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There's also the fact that in his rise to a championship contending team, Senna blocked a driver from becoming his team-mate. Senna blocked Warwick from becoming his teammate because he thought Lotus lacked the budget to field two competitive cars. While it was a bit diva from Senna, he usurped Lot...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:33 am
think Russell is as good (although different) to McLaren era Hamilton for example.

That's a bit harsh on Hamilton. There is an argument that he was the best driver in 2009, 2010 and 2012.

Russell hasn't had a season where he has been the best driver in the field. Yet.

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It does seem that among some Hamilton fans (not just you) there is this really weird attitude when it comes to George Russell. Almost like the fact he actually tries to beat Hamilton should be held against him as a bad thing. It's jealousy mainly. Verstappen has spent the last 5 season with a lapdo...

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There is more to 1984 than just Monaco. In the final race (Portugal), Prost was leading, with Lauda third (a decent position, having started 11th). This was enough to make Prost champion - until Mansell, in second, retired through brake failure. An interesting tidbit from 1984 is that Lauda spent t...

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Piquet such an enigma - incredible record but hardly ever mentioned up there with the greats. Ultimately, Piquet spent most of his career in 1-car teams with awful pay driver teammates. He was decent as a rookie against Lauda in 1979 and matched Mansell prior to his injury in 1987. However, Patrese...

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On driving ability, it's Senna.

The rest I would rank: Stewart (just), Verstappen, Lauda, Piquet, Brabham.

If Verstappen was never to win another title but consistently contend in inferior machinery until retiring in 2028 then he would fight for #1 with Senna.

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When it comes to Hamilton and Alonso I have to disagree and cannot remember anyone talking about Hamilton having an incredible season. To come to my conclusion, you need to do a lot of accounting. Firstly, 2010-2012 spec Button was a stronger driver than 2010-2013 spec Massa so it was a harder task...

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I confess that I cannot recall every race in 2012 to assess Button's season, but clocking up 3 wins and 3 second places (according to Wikipedia) does not appear to be a shocker of a season. The headline statistics are misleading. Things got so bad for Button from the fourth race onwards that Hamilt...

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Do you think that Bottas is anywhere near Button and Rosberg in terms of talent? Absolutely not. There are interesting parallels between the start of each partnership. Button won 2 out of the first 3 races in 2010 but then lost to Hamilton by seasons end similar to Bottas. Rosberg won more races (2...

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I think that Bottas never considered himself an equal to Hamilton in driving ability. It's worth remembering that Bottas, like Button, Rosberg and Russell, started very brightly at the start but I think he realised the mountain he had to climb by the end of 2017. He never replicated that run of for...

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Perez has always looked solid but there were always clues that his best season in the sport, 2020, was deceptive. Ultimately, he sits neatly in a cluster alongside Ocon, Hulkenberg, Albon and Gasly. I would have ranked them in that order with Perez between Ocon and Hulkenberg but Gasly's decent perf...

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Whilst Russell isn't in the Hamilton/Verstappen tier, his big strength over Hamilton is how switched on he is (arguably one of the weakest attributes Hamilton has, and Russell seems to be one of the better ones on the grid). No issue at all with him trying that strategy - a VSC/SC in that window an...

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FormulaFun wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:59 am
What's the problem with him trying to go long?

No issue in theory, it's just Russell always does it when he can't make a move stick on Hamilton on track. He goes long and prays for a VSC or SC.

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I have to say I did enjoy seeing Russell's perennial "going long" strategy blow up in his face. The team order was the icing on the cake. I'm sure Hamilton would have got Russell by the finish but Sainz would have been P5.

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Schermerhorn wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:25 am
He's not mentally strong enough.

Everyone *thinks* they are good until they actually have to step up and show the world.

I'd never thought Checo had a weaker mind than Bottas.

Maybe Marko had a point about Checo having a Latin temperament (although it's a very lazy stereotype).

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Checo sacked himself with today's showing. The crash with Hamilton was probably unavoidable but the rest was shocking.

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To return us back to topic, here is how I voted: 1) Fernando Alonso A double world champion with an enduring legacy of excellent performance across his entire career in a variety of cars. 2) Nico Rosberg 3) Daniel Ricciardo I found it difficult to split these two but give the German a narrow edge. R...

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Despite Murray having 3 Grand Slam titles compared to the Federer's 20, Nadal's 22 and Djokovic' 24, the English sport's coverage keeps referring to Murray as if he was ever part of the pantheon. Which clearly he was not and has never been. The Grand Slam titles really do Murray a disservice. The r...

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If Hamilton is capable of that kind of advantage over Russell he shouldn't only bother to show it when a race win is on the cards. Hamilton has usually held a consistent race pace advantage over Russell. Today, he just happened to hit a very happy place in the final stint. I'd credit Russell with d...

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I think Mercedes will look elsewhere for Hamilton's successor after today. Russell looked second best in crunch time and then blew it completely.

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Hamilton passes Norris and Sainz IMO.

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I crown you Mercedes Number 2, George Russell.

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Of course Norris is British and very popular, I would say also popular worldwide because of his personality, but who are we talking about here, Crofty? Personally, I don't understand the appeal. He's an ultra-privileged yound man who lives in the comfort that he could give everything up tomorrow an...

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Then in 2023, it was abundantly clear that Red Bull was no longer in a fight with any other team, but incredibly dominant. It was at this stage when Perez was being hyped as the main rival for Verstappen, around Baku time especially, and I think he believed in his own hype. Then Miami happened and ...

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in some ways similar to Perez, Russell started to believe the hype and praise. That was never going to be the way to go. His continuing SSP from the cockpit are not helping either. Russell has always had that inner confidence and his little run from Saudia Arabia to Baku in 2022 where he outperform...

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Russell can see his future as top dog at Mercedes evaporating in front of his eyes. We are seeing that desperation in this kind of petty blocking.

It always the same with him, he gambles almost constantly to try and get an edge on Hamilton despite him naturally being in the ballpark of his pace.

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Verstappen has such metronomic consistency that it makes Hamilton look inconsistent. However, I would also factor in that both Rosberg and Bottas were superior drivers that Perez (especially in qualifying, which is half the battle in a dominant car). I would even go so far to suggest that Hamilton w...

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UnlikeUday wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:12 pm
Anyone expecting a Max divebomb on the inside of turn 1 tomorrow?

I think Norris will likely get his first win tomorrow.

Verstappen has already proven he'd rather lose to anybody but Hamilton so I expect an ambitious move and collision at some point in the race.

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If that were true they'd never have sacked Gasly. They've constantly tried to upgrade the second driver where possible. They spoke to Norris previously and even said they would be in for Russell if Merc weren't going to take him. The constant seat swapping is a Red Bull thing though because of thei...

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So it's been said Red Bull are keen to either get Leclerc or Norris within the team in '25 or '26 as they feel both of these drivers would add a new dynamic to the team. I personally don't see it with Jos anywhere near the team. They have been following the Schumacher formula since Ricciardo left a...

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