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KingVoid

This is a fantastic effort but there are a few things I would change. Ascari > Stewart Vettel > Piquet and Brabham I always felt that Massa > Coulthard but again, this is only a minor issue. I would move Kubica up a bit, despite his very short career, he was arguably driver of the season in 2 out o...

KingVoid

3. VERSTAPPEN, Max 2. HAMILTON, Lewis Some posters I suspect will do a double take. Presumably KingVoid thinks that Verstappen is better than Hamilton on pure ability, but lags (significantly, as of yet) behind in achievement and legacy. Where to place the fulcrum on that particular balance is a ke...

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I’ve done a “Top 40 from the last 30” list which is the 40 best drivers of the last 30 years, ranked accordingly. This list only takes into account everything a driver did after January 1st, 1994 because that essentially marks the end of the Senna/Prost/Mansell show. 40. KOBAYASHI, Kamui 39. MAGNUSS...

KingVoid

This is a fantastic effort but there are a few things I would change. Ascari > Stewart Vettel > Piquet and Brabham I always felt that Massa > Coulthard but again, this is only a minor issue. I would move Kubica up a bit, despite his very short career, he was arguably driver of the season in 2 out of...

KingVoid

For someone to dismiss Senna, Prost, Schumacher & Hamilton as "so called greats", while simultaneously refusing to entertain even the slightest hint that Verstappen might just not be the F1 messiah you think he is, & who maybe didn't just have the greatest season by any driver ever, demonstrates to...

KingVoid

But that last paragraph makes it pretty clear that you're not actually arguing from a neutral position. You're championing 'your driver' here, as you perceive everyone who argues against you to be doing. That's not the most intellectually honest approach itself. Bored of all the intellectual dishon...

KingVoid

I've also begrudgingly accepted that Verstappens a very, very good driver, though until he does what Vettel dared to do & leaves the safe & comfy environs of RB & gets out there to challenge himself, i'll never rate him up there with the Sennas, Prosts, Schumachers & Hamiltons of this world. Versta...

KingVoid

2018 qualifying analysis depends on what you want to show. You have 15-6, 21 sessions but in 8 sessions one of the drivers did not set a representative time. I would love to see how that 0.2% was calculated considering all the breakdowns in qualifying. Vertsappen was quicker than Ricciardo in 2018,...

KingVoid

Yeah I really don't think getting out qualified by Verstappen was the catalyst for Ricciardo leaving RB in 2018, after all he was leading Verstappen in the championship right up until Silverstone. Ricciardo was "leading" Verstappen in the championship; just like Sainz "lead" Leclerc in 2021 and mos...

KingVoid

I'm not convinced that Verstappen was 'the best' driver in 2019-20 although he clearly put himself up there and delivered, in that respect, in 2021 when he had the car to genuinely compete. In a funny way, Verstappen's 2022 and 2023 seasons confirmed to me beyond any reasonable doubt that he was th...

KingVoid

There were more overtakes in 2016 than 2022 despite one fewer race btw. I'd argue Hamilton lost more races to Rosberg and Bottas precisely because of the effect of dirty air. Verstappen blasting through the field and past Perez isn't because he's so much better than Hamilton was in a dominant car (...

KingVoid

So Verstappen became unstoppable when the team mate that was regularly his equal left the team... what a coincidence. You mean when a teammate, who got tonked 15-6 in qualifying in 2018, ran away from Max before his 21st birthday because he could see the writing on the wall? But no in 2019 and 2020...

KingVoid

F1Tyrant wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:42 pm

t2jd1967 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:11 pm
So he was really looking for an even more winning formula? Yes, now that makes total sense of course.
The 2022 formula plays to both Hamilton and Verstappen's strengths in a way the 2015-2021 didn't.

There were more overtakes in 2016 than 2022 despite one fewer race btw.

KingVoid

I've just provided 2 examples where Hamilton demonstrates otherwise. It’s easy to say all the right things in the media, anyone can talk the talk, that’s the easiest thing to do. When Red Bull actually asked Mercedes for engines and Mercedes had the opportunity for some real competition, they decid...

KingVoid

So Verstappen became unstoppable when the team mate that was regularly his equal left the team... what a coincidence. You mean when a teammate, who got tonked 15-6 in qualifying in 2018, ran away from Max before his 21st birthday because he could see the writing on the wall? But no in 2019 and 2020...

KingVoid

I'm sure if you asked Hamilton if he'd rather race with a closer field and regs that enable easier overtaking versus the era of his actual dominance with a wider field but very hard to overtake, he'd take the 2022 regs any day. Yes, with 7 WDCs under his belt I’m sure he would. Back when he was win...

KingVoid

I'm sure if you asked Hamilton if he'd rather race with a closer field and regs that enable easier overtaking versus the era of his actual dominance with a wider field but very hard to overtake, he'd take the 2022 regs any day. Yes, with 7 WDCs under his belt I’m sure he would. Back when he was win...

KingVoid

The lack of gap between the midfield and top cars is the reason why you see Perez get knocked out of Q2 so often and regularly off the podium. The reason was poor performance by Perez. The revisionists agenda is really becoming hilarious. :lol: Eh... it was the same with vettel 2010 - 2013 when he ...

KingVoid

Prior to the budget cap, the gulf in the quality between the big 3 teams and everyone else was so comically massive that from Silverstone 2015 (Massa) until Singapore 2019 (Giovinazzi), not a single driver outside of the big 3 teams even lead a lap. Think about that for a moment. That is 4.5 years ...

KingVoid

Montoya took a bunch of poles in 2002 too. Even Ferrari this year have a few poles, no? 6 poles in the last 10 races. The benefit of hindsight? Red Bull won 7 of the first 9 races that season. People liked to talk Ferrari up but they were only better than Red Bull in the first 3 races and then occa...

KingVoid

To talk up Verstappens would be my guess. The reason why I scoff at the notion that the RB19 has a bigger advantage than Mercedes cars of the past did is not because I feel some urge to talk up Verstappen, but because it’s not true. It really is that simple, none of the numbers support this opinion...

KingVoid

Montoya took a bunch of poles in 2002 too. Even Ferrari this year have a few poles, no? 6 poles in the last 10 races. The benefit of hindsight? Red Bull won 7 of the first 9 races that season. People liked to talk Ferrari up but they were only better than Red Bull in the first 3 races and then occa...

KingVoid

2023 is not like 2002 for me. Ferrari had a 1-2 in 8 of 12 two car finishes. Ten double podiums from twelve two car finishes. Rubens would have won nearly every race he finished without MS there. No comparison to Perez this year. 2023 is more like 2013 and 2011. It is highly unusual for a dominant ...

KingVoid

2023 is not like 2002 for me. Ferrari had a 1-2 in 8 of 12 two car finishes. Ten double podiums from twelve two car finishes. Rubens would have won nearly every race he finished without MS there. No comparison to Perez this year. 2023 is more like 2013 and 2011. It is highly unusual for a dominant ...

KingVoid

Montoya took a bunch of poles in 2002 too. Even Ferrari this year have a few poles, no? 6 poles in the last 10 races. The benefit of hindsight? Red Bull won 7 of the first 9 races that season. People liked to talk Ferrari up but they were only better than Red Bull in the first 3 races and then occa...

KingVoid

2023 is not like 2002 for me. Ferrari had a 1-2 in 8 of 12 two car finishes. Ten double podiums from twelve two car finishes. Rubens would have won nearly every race he finished without MS there. No comparison to Perez this year. 2023 is more like 2013 and 2011. It is highly unusual for a dominant ...

KingVoid

Yes, that’s my point. Number 1 drivers get allocated the best and more resources. It’s the logical choice but at some teams it is more so than others. Benetton and Schumacher being the most extreme case. Red Bull also have a history of a weak number 2. They have won 7 drivers titles and 7 construct...

KingVoid

There seems to be an idea floating around that Mercedes was terrible operationally, and that is why Hamilton in 2019 and 2020 did not achieve what Verstappen has achieved in 2022 and 2023, so let’s go back and look at every race Hamilton did not win in those years to see how true this is. RACES HAMI...

KingVoid

Unbelievably consistent driver + unbelievably consistent team + reliability + a little bit of luck = Verstappen's epic streaks. Hamilton's streak >4 breaks: 2014 4 streak: Beaten on merit by Rosberg. 2014 5 streak: Beaten on merit by Rosberg. 2016 4 streak: Beaten on merit by Rosberg. 2016-17 4 str...

KingVoid

And yet Senna still managed 5 wins that year to finish 2nd in the championship in what was clearlythen the 2nd, & even sometimes the 3rd best car on the grid. His season that year simply dwarfs anything Verstappen achieved this year. That is why I separated seasons by different levels of car compet...

KingVoid

This has largely been ignored but Verstappen is currently on a 7 in a row win streak. This is again longer than any win streak of Hamilton’s career (but not Rosberg, curiously enough). Max has a 10 and 7 win streak in the same season. Verstappen has also won 17 of the last 18 races, the only excepti...

KingVoid

And yet Senna still managed 5 wins that year to finish 2nd in the championship in what was clearly the 2nd, & even sometimes the 3rd best car on the grid. His season that year simply dwarfs anything Verstappen achieved this year. That is why I separated seasons by different levels of car competitiv...

KingVoid

You can scoff all you want, the RB19 is the most dominant anything in the history of F1. Verstappen might as well have been running a Group 20 Slot Car vs a Field of Group 12 Slot Cars. I would like to see some actual data from you to support this claim instead of just emotional arguments. What is ...

KingVoid

To talk up Verstappens would be my guess. The reason why I scoff at the notion that the RB19 has a bigger advantage than Mercedes cars of the past did is not because I feel some urge to talk up Verstappen, but because it’s not true. It really is that simple, none of the numbers support this opinion...

KingVoid

To talk up Verstappens would be my guess. The reason why I scoff at the notion that the RB19 has a bigger advantage than Mercedes cars of the past did is not because I feel some urge to talk up Verstappen, but because it’s not true. It really is that simple, none of the numbers support this opinion...

KingVoid

The car was a beast in Max's hands. He was relentless in pursuit of dominance from start to finish. He didn't need to lead every lap, even the first lap. Whether he was starting P1, P2, P3, his starts were all amazing. I can't recall him having a bad start this season. He didn't even need to, but i...

KingVoid

The last thing is exactly what RB could do this season - run more downforce and still be quicker on the straights, especially with their super-DRS. And no, the DRS advantage did not disappear as was clearly visible. A bit reduced maybe, disappear no. The few times we’ve seen Red Bull battle with Fe...

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The fact that Perez, despite being "broken" by Verstappen as you call it, secured second with a race to go and with > 50 points advantage at the end of the season clearly demonstrates the ludicrous and unique dominance that the RB 19 enjoyed The reason why Perez was able to secure P2 in the standin...

KingVoid

My opinion: Best seasons with a dominant car: 1. Verstappen 2023 2. Mansell 1992 3. Vettel 2013 4. Hamilton 2014 5. Schumacher 2002 6. Vettel 2011 The best ever seasons with an equal best car: 1. Schumacher 2000 2. Hamilton 2018 3. Alonso 2006 4. Senna 1991 5. Schumacher 1995 6. Verstappen 2021 The...

KingVoid

At this stage there’s little left to learn about Bottas. He’s gone up against both Hamilton and Massa in his career (two very well established benchmarks, we know exactly how good both are) and we know how he fared against both. At this point in his career, Bottas won’t do anything positive or negat...

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