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I now see how that reads differently from what I was trying to say. I was gonna say, that I doubt Ferrari care if Kimi ruins his own race if it helps Vettel. Not that Ferrari told him to do it. But they could have told him to do whatever it takes to get past him if he gets the chance. I don't think...

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I said that they should try not to take anyone out, not just Mercedes. It just so happened that it was Merc they hit so they are vocal about it. It's not that there should be new rules just because of what happened. All I'm saying is that I hope they are more careful to not take a merc out again. T...

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kleefton wrote: I agree that none of them want to hit each other, but when you have a repeat offender in one of the cars and then his teammate joins the party, I can understand merc wanting to make a point.

Now, this starts sounding more and more like an orgy.

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Merc & Ham are but pulling an F1 "Neymar".

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This was not shown on TV. Sneaky England attempted to equalize behind Croatians's backs while these were celebrating their 2:1. The referee prevented. The English sense of sportsmanship? https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1017142515265429506 While I can't speak for whether this is good etiquette ...

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This was not shown on TV. Sneaky England attempted to equalize behind Croatians's backs while these were celebrating their 2:1. The referee prevented. The English sense of sportsmanship?

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And so... England can fight Belgium for the podium.

Well done and well deserved Croatia! Their greatest football achievement.

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"the team I was going to drive for next year, I was not allowed to rally"

Shame that Renault didn't have that same policy.

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I don’t recall there being anywhere near as much outrage when Bottas punted Kimi twice in Spain and Baku last year. Both Mercedes and Hamilton are very good at using the media to slander their opponents. Mercedes falsely accuse Ferrari of cheating with their battery. Hamilton falsely accuses Raikko...

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Hamilton: “Interesting tactics, I would say, from their side,” “We’ve just to work hard to try to position ourselves better so that we are not exposed to the red cars, “Because who knows when that’s going to happen again. We’ve got to make sure we work hard together as a team to try to lock out the ...

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I'm throwing it out there if it keeps happening, at the moment it's just a coincidence, not even that really, I would say Mercedes are just kind of making the FIA take notice. Both accidents were obviously just racing incidents even though both drivers were penalised, obviously Vettel gains nothing...

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While one can debate back and forth about how the final outcome would be if not for the incident between Kimi and Ham, and perhaps not be able to come to an agreement. There ought not to be place for arguing how Vettel hence did not earn his win, or it was not deserved, or it was not an achievement....

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You completely ignore the fact that Ferrari has now taken out a Merc two races in a row. Like Toto said, "either they are incompetent or it was deliberate", either way not acceptable. Lewis had the pace and made up lost time, finishing only a few seconds behind Seb Vettel in the end. So, if he didn...

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Bottas should have locked up when Vettel was passing him and hit Vettel and spun him, then Ferrari and all their fans would be singing a different tune. Its OK when she is on the other foot though. Race would have been completely different if not for Kimi hitting Lewis at beginning of the race. Seb...

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I just ask what is wrong with the Ferraris' steering system ? Both last week and this week a Ferrari driver seemingly couldn't turn around a corner properly. I think the FIA engineers should inspect the system to ensure it is fit for purpose. Or perhaps the Ferrari engineers should do that in such ...

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Ocon wrote: Knowing Hamiltons skill, he could have ran the fastest laps even with a damaged car.

Now, that's nothing in comparison to what Chuck Norris can do.

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Ocon wrote:
neek wrote:Hm well given the start, that's not a bad result for Ham
Only Lewis can pull something like that of.

And Donald J. Trump.

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Botas' tyres gone.

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TedStriker wrote:Interesting - did Valterri give the place, will he want it back?

Yeah.. in the past year.

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So you prefer to eliminate passing entirely in F1... If you are going to condemn Vettel for that, then be sure to turn onMax, Dan, Lewis, & virtually every other F1 driver who has made more than one pass in the series. This is getting ridiculous... Correction... It has been so for some time now. :-...

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davidheath461 wrote:kerb is not part of the track. Please read the rule book. Track is defined by the white lines.

Yeah, but aren't the rules stating that unless all 4 wheels be over the white line, the car is not considered to be off the track? So then technically Lewis was still inside.

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I wonder why is it so that when a strategist makes a wrong call, or a guy fails to screw properly that nut on the wheel, then it is being seen as the "team" letting down the driver rather than that individual letting down the team. After all, he is hired by the team to do best for the team, and not ...

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I don't see why Kimi would get the win over Vettel. He qualified behind him and had a luck to start from P3 due to Vettel incurring the 3-grid penalty. And then both Merc took themselves out. And he didn't win it. On the other hand, Vettel starting from P6 ending on the podium was the max achievemen...

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If you are in front you are exposed, I wonder if ALL the top 4 would have pitted still if Hamilton did. I suspect Red Bull might have done a split in that situation which would have given them a good chance in varying situations to win the race. That's my view. They probably would have split the st...

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VSC had no impact on the final result. I dunno it depends on what the issue was. Temps were really high, Lewis was in traffic and pushing to the max on his engine. Bit different from cruising in clear cooler air with less strain on the engine. Even that, it was not the consequence of the VSC itself...

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This was a unique opportunity for Kimi to win a race since... well, a long time. Two Mercedes DNF, one RBT DNF, Vettel 3 grid places penalty.. Ah, Max.

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Nice for the crowds at a home race to get to hear the national anthem.

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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Not surprised. Ferrari are stupid.

So much disappointed not to see the TO? Got no use of all the ammo already prepared?

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So no TO Ferrari... does this put the issue at rest once for ever?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
First time I've been described as a Hamilton "hater" .

Welcome to the club.

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What I find interesting in the Red Bull quali dispute is that the actually seems to be an advantage in running in dirty air. Would be interesting to find out the practice at Mercedes, I'm pretty sure Bottas has run in front in at last the two previous weekends. I'm not sure about Mercedes but I hea...

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What I find interesting in the Red Bull quali dispute is that the actually seems to be an advantage in running in dirty air. Would be interesting to find out the practice at Mercedes, I'm pretty sure Bottas has run in front in at last the two previous weekends. I'm not sure about Mercedes but I hea...

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I would disagree that it means everything later in the season and nothing at the start if the end result causes the same effect on the championship, as you says it's human psychology so not actual fact. Everyone can have their own opinion on this. You know mine, I know yours, I'm going to leave thi...

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Totally agree, since it's clear Hamilton/Vettel will be fighting for the WDC come the season's end should everyone else get out of their way from the start - of course not. And yet somehow it's not acceptable to get in their way at the end of the season. What if a driver got in Vettel's way at the ...

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He'll get a slap on the wrist. Stewards won't want to ruin the championship fight. Whether it affects the championship or not should be irrelevant, I feel this at the end of a season when people go on about others not racing those fighting for the championship - how they race them should be the sam...

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He'll get a slap on the wrist. Stewards won't want to ruin the championship fight. Whether it affects the championship or not should be irrelevant, I feel this at the end of a season when people go on about others not racing those fighting for the championship - how they race them should be the sam...

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Anyway, I've said all I can on this subject so I wont waste any more of our collective time. As for the people comparing this to deliberate collisions - Do me a favour, really? Well, all you said was essentially wrong. The fact is that the stewards try not to look at the consequence of an incident ...

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Okay, for the sake of charity I will allow your assertion that an unrelated safety car is an acceptable mitigating factor and that the stewards didn't know there was damage (even though there invariably is with a rear puncture flailing around for an entire lap) but.... I really don't get how you ca...

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You actually needed not to involve the other car at all in this attempt to tell us that the stewards do not issue a penalty to a driver for simply making an error while driving his car. No, making an error in itself and for itself is not an offense. But being responsible for eventual collision. And...

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Another hypothetical scenario. I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) you feel 5 seconds time penalty is a just punishment for Vettel's mistake. 7 laps to go, there's a safety car. Hamilton is running 1st, Vettel second, neither is involved in the safety car incident. The marshals clear the track a...

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