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- Thu May 02, 2024 10:54 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
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Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Even after that horrendous pit stop/crash he was still in 5th place with half the race still to go, and there was a safety car, so he wasn't 30-40 seconds behind. He got by Albon shortly after the re-start to move up to 4th behind Max, Bottas, and Hulk. The latter two both were DNFs in the race, ye...
- Thu May 02, 2024 10:51 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Didn't RB cost Ricciardo a win in Monaco back in 2017 or so due to a similar pit stop fiasco? Teams make mistakes from time to time, I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate that this is a pattern with Mercedes, instead of just citing the same example over and over. I didn't bring forward Germany 2...
- Wed May 01, 2024 8:10 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
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Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
I am talking about the big gap he has. For that he needs to get 'some' credit I said, not all. Some make it sound like if he was closer to Perez, it would be seen more successful. Like I say, he is a victim of his own success at this point... No I'm saying that in that car Perez could have been WDC...
- Wed May 01, 2024 8:07 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
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Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
I stand corrected on that front. I meant the pit crew didn't know, or at least it sure looked like they didn't know what tires they were putting on the car as they are running back and forth to the tire rack a couple of times. That's classic Mercedes when they need to make a quick decision, headles...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:55 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
So now will Red Bull be as strong as it was come 2026 & will Newey's departure make Verstappen consider a future elsewhere? Lewis-Max-Newey at Ferrari, heard it here first! That's not happening with Leclerc contracted until 2028 and Vassuer is very much in Leclerc's corner. Maybe but Lewis goes bac...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:51 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
- Replies: 1585
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Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Holy cow, £128M a year, that is insane. No matter how good a driver is, this is taking it into ludicrous territory. https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1047716/1/mercedes-tabling-world-record-ps128m-max-verstappen-offer-replace-lewis-hamilton All I can really say is ... "wow". My advice? Buy stock in "Or...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:47 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
- Replies: 1585
- Views: 178719
Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Holy cow, £128M a year, that is insane. No matter how good a driver is, this is taking it into ludicrous territory. https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1047716/1/mercedes-tabling-world-record-ps128m-max-verstappen-offer-replace-lewis-hamilton :thumbup: Since driver salaries are outside the budget cap, th...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:46 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
- Replies: 1585
- Views: 178719
Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Holy cow, £128M a year, that is insane. No matter how good a driver is, this is taking it into ludicrous territory. https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1047716/1/mercedes-tabling-world-record-ps128m-max-verstappen-offer-replace-lewis-hamilton They're in a desperate situation. Well, perhaps maybe Mercedes...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:41 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Yes, not just for title though, also for the big gap he has. Like I say, he should get some credit to getting and operating the car at that level. He is just victim of his own success at this point. Your comparison was that anyone could be champion in the Mercedes, clearly anyone could have been ch...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:32 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
To be honest, this is nothing but arguing over semantics. The bigger picture is that in every type of condition (whether it be driving a significantly slower car or a quicker one), Max does a substantially better job than Lewis. “Anyone could have won the title in the RB19” Yeah? So what? The bigge...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:29 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Even after that horrendous pit stop/crash he was still in 5th place with half the race still to go, and there was a safety car, so he wasn't 30-40 seconds behind. He got by Albon shortly after the re-start to move up to 4th behind Max, Bottas, and Hulk. The latter two both were DNFs in the race, ye...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:26 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
After watching extended highlights it looks like only Stroll (who was in 14th, second to last at the time) gambled for slicks during the SC for Hulkenberg's crash, everybody else came in a few laps later, so I'm not sure keeping Lewis out during the SC and not taking the penalty is really a mistake...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:08 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Your comparison was that anyone could be champion in the Mercedes, clearly anyone could have been champion in last year's Red Bull. I am talking about the big gap he has. For that he needs to get 'some' credit I said, not all. Some make it sound like if he was closer to Perez, it would be seen more...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:02 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
“In a worse car” Already drove a worse car for the first 6 years of his career, he’s spent a larger ratio of his career in inferior machinery than Hamilton. “with all the gaffes” Is gaffe a code word of Hamilton failing to extract the most out of a race and blaming Mercedes for it? I have seen peop...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:56 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
“In a worse car” Already drove a worse car for the first 6 years of his career, he’s spent a larger ratio of his career in inferior machinery than Hamilton. “with all the gaffes” Is gaffe a code word of Hamilton failing to extract the most out of a race and blaming Mercedes for it? I have seen peop...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:51 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Well, if 2024 continues like it has in the first four races, then Leclerc will not be troubled at all in 2025. Unless you think that Leclerc and Russell have a similar level of performance, but I have not seen anybody make such a claim yet. Again no reference to performance data just gut feeling. I...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:48 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Even after that horrendous pit stop/crash he was still in 5th place with half the race still to go, and there was a safety car, so he wasn't 30-40 seconds behind. He got by Albon shortly after the re-start to move up to 4th behind Max, Bottas, and Hulk. The latter two both were DNFs in the race, ye...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:46 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Why can you not read what I said, I didn't say in a worse car just a Keystone Kops strategy team. Germany 2019 where Hamilton told the team it was raining but the team put him on dry tyres because the computer told them it was dry. Even after that horrendous pit stop/crash he was still in 5th place...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:37 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
“In a worse car” Already drove a worse car for the first 6 years of his career, he’s spent a larger ratio of his career in inferior machinery than Hamilton. “with all the gaffes” Is gaffe a code word of Hamilton failing to extract the most out of a race and blaming Mercedes for it? I have seen peop...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:34 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
The point being because Hamilton's teammates were better, in particular in qualifying, Perez was horrendous in qualifying last year but still bagged P2 in the title race yet Verstappen you say should take all the credit for winning the title. Yes, not just for title though, also for the big gap he ...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:32 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
This always come up but doesnt this make Max even more succesful ? Lewis' teammates could easily take #2 and/or wins in the same car, meaning anyone could be champions in those cars. Whereas Max dominates with a car where #2 mostly struggles. Even if you go with the idea that car is designed for hi...
- Wed May 01, 2024 6:27 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
The idea that Red Bull is an operational superteam who don’t make mistakes, throw away wins, etc… is a myth. Verstappen just has a level of consistency that makes Hamilton look inconsistent by comparison, which people incorrectly attribute to Red Bull. You know I would just love it if Verstappen we...
- Wed May 01, 2024 5:31 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
The idea that Red Bull is an operational superteam who don’t make mistakes, throw away wins, etc… is a myth. Verstappen just has a level of consistency that makes Hamilton look inconsistent by comparison, which people incorrectly attribute to Red Bull. You know I would just love it if Verstappen we...
- Wed May 01, 2024 2:51 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
- Replies: 1585
- Views: 178719
Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
They're in a desperate situation.t2jd1967 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:39 pmHoly cow, £128M a year, that is insane. No matter how good a driver is, this is taking it into ludicrous territory.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1047716/1 ... s-hamilton
- Wed May 01, 2024 2:44 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
The idea that Red Bull is an operational superteam who don’t make mistakes, throw away wins, etc… is a myth. Verstappen just has a level of consistency that makes Hamilton look inconsistent by comparison, which people incorrectly attribute to Red Bull. You know I would just love it if Verstappen we...
- Wed May 01, 2024 2:40 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Yes, what is unclear about that? In 2025 it will be worse, there is no doubt at all in my mind There is 2023, where all the comparisons seem to be made from, and 2025, which is two seasons down the road from 2023. What about 2024 which hasn't been written yet? Well, if 2024 continues like it has in...
- Wed May 01, 2024 12:22 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2024 Miami Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread
- Replies: 202
- Views: 2587
Re: 2024 Miami Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread
The Alabama GP (Indycar) last weekend provided a great race. From first lap to last lap very entertaining and very racey - there was no boring period during the whole race. Excellent performances by McLaughlin and Lundqvist. Also showed the value of a race track with gravel and grass instead of tar...
- Wed May 01, 2024 12:17 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: It's been 30 years.
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- Views: 620
Re: It's been 30 years.
My saddest day in F1.
- Wed May 01, 2024 12:15 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Are you talking about Vegas at the start , which I mentioned? The start of Abu Dhabi last year , just further supports the point I'm making, he and Charles battled into turn 1, the chicane at the end of the first half of the back straight and into the turn at the end of the back straight and they k...
- Wed May 01, 2024 12:11 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
So now will Red Bull be as strong as it was come 2026 & will Newey's departure make Verstappen consider a future elsewhere? I find it difficult to assess how big Newey's role and input to last year's or this year's car still is. If RB's success still crucially relies on him - and the Verstappen's c...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:56 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
So now will Red Bull be as strong as it was come 2026 & will Newey's departure make Verstappen consider a future elsewhere? Lewis-Max-Newey at Ferrari, heard it here first! If - and it's a big if - Newey joins Ferrari in 2026, surely they will try to get Max to partner Leclerc if they want him in t...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:55 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
That's not happening with Leclerc contracted until 2028 and Vassuer is very much in Leclerc's corner.Siao7 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:22 amLewis-Max-Newey at Ferrari, heard it here first!UnlikeUday wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:21 amSo now will Red Bull be as strong as it was come 2026 & will Newey's departure make Verstappen consider a future elsewhere?
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:53 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
That basically then becomes his 1 year gardening leave, free then to immediately join another team to design the 2026 car.
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:42 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
Well Autosport/Motorsport are reporting Newey has now handed in his resignation and we could get an announcement as soon as this weekend. They're also suggesting he will have to stay in his role (not on gardening leave) until the start of 2025 at the earliest, which seems like it would be a bit awk...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:41 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
Well Autosport/Motorsport are reporting Newey has now handed in his resignation and we could get an announcement as soon as this weekend. They're also suggesting he will have to stay in his role (not on gardening leave) until the start of 2025 at the earliest, which seems like it would be a bit awk...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:38 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
- Replies: 119
- Views: 3938
Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull
Latest reports are he is negotiating an early exit to move teams for the start of next year. It appears retirement is off the cards. Ferrari or Aston announcement is surely incoming I heard he's already turned down Aston, he's not a fan of contributing to Stroll's fatten the goose up for sale, with...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:34 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Yes, not just for title though, also for the big gap he has. Like I say, he should get some credit to getting and operating the car at that level. He is just victim of his own success at this point. I think the engineers and mechanis and workers in the factory should get the credit for getting the ...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:12 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
This always come up but doesnt this make Max even more succesful ? Lewis' teammates could easily take #2 and/or wins in the same car, meaning anyone could be champions in those cars. Whereas Max dominates with a car where #2 mostly struggles. Even if you go with the idea that car is designed for hi...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:09 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
The idea that Red Bull is an operational superteam who don’t make mistakes, throw away wins, etc… is a myth. Verstappen just has a level of consistency that makes Hamilton look inconsistent by comparison, which people incorrectly attribute to Red Bull. You know I would just love it if Verstappen we...
- Wed May 01, 2024 11:04 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
- Replies: 1216
- Views: 55633
Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Excuses. Hamilton had the same circumstances in 2019 and 2020 and simply couldn’t do it. In 2019 he won only 11 races out of 21 (a touch above 50%) in a car in which Bottas comfortably beat Leclerc and Verstappen with in the standings. He’s just not as good as Verstappen. Bottas is not the same cir...