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POB... just send that 250F my way instead... that way you won't have to clean up the pieces and have that constant reminder of your big hissy-fit. :lol: And you're another one Nebraska :x We had some ruthlessly competitive types like you rolling up at our Scalextric circuit, with their big engined,...

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How about Rubens getting over the line in Valencia 2009? Great story. Also not a win, but Michael's pole in Monaco 2012 was somewhat out of nowhere and a great moment. In fact it is probably my favourite F1 moment, but I'm a bit biased on that one. Agreed,so unfortunate that MSC could not have turn...

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Alonso/Ferrari 2012: 3 wins; 13 podiums; 2 poles; average race-finish position 3.9. Rosberg/Mercedes: 1 win; 2 podiums; 1 pole; aver race-finish position 8.8. Maldonado/Williams: 1 win; 1 podium; 0 pole; aver race finish position 11.5. The Alonso /Ferrari was very competitive and in another league c...

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2012 was indeed strange. The Alonso/Ferrrari on season-average was very little slower than the top two packages. But these were exceptional packages that only needed a slight speed advantage: the Hamilton/McLaren and the Vettel Red Bull. They made the Alonso/Ferrari's results and comparative speed s...

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Can't quite work out why I'm reminded of a time years ago, when a a group of us as teenagers played Scalextric racing. We had all kinds of cars, Lotus, Cooper, Vanwall, BRM, Porsche, etc. One day a classmate asked to come and race. He was a Clark/Lotus fan. Two of our guys with their sharknose Ferra...

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Prost benefitted tremendously from Lauda's info and approach in 1984; Senna benefitted hugely from Prost's sharing info in 1988. I'm surprised Lewis is not confident enough to share his data. Imo he should be. Another driver can rarely copy another's drivingr precisely, all have differing styles, st...

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2004: Trulli 7th fastest package. 2008: Vettel/Toro Rosso 11th fastest. 2008: Alonso/Renault 5th 2008: definitely not Kubica/BMW which was 3rd fastest package close to top. 2012: Rosberg/Mercedes 7th fastest. 2012: Maldonado/Williams 10th fastest. 2012: definitely not Alonso/Ferrari which was 2nd fa...

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UnlikeUday wrote:Wouldn't underdog mean someone who has a slight chance of winning/potential to win if everything goes right & not someone who wins because of others misfortune?

Agreed: Fisichella 2003 does not qualify as an underdog winner here.

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Just checked the list and others above here, against my Package-Rating figures (ie for car-and-driver combined). Done the 70s only: 1971: Gethin/BRM was 14th fastest package of the season. 1972: Beltiose/BRM was 10th fastest. 1976: Watson/Penske was 11th 1977: Jones/Shadow was 5th, the Shadow being ...

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As responses above here say: data should/must be shared for the benefit of the team. Hamilton benefitted from seeing Alonso's data in 2007, Rosberg from Michael's 2010-2012, Lewis and Nico from each other in 2013-2016. Lewis should be confident in his own driving ability to share data. If he then be...

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Hamilton, and every driver in Formula One is part of a team. Leading up to the race itself, the TEAM work in unison to tune the car and maximize it's performance. For a driver, it is understandable they are selfish and want to win. I fully support that mental position ... for the race. For the team...

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Good candidates from all above here. As Lotus49 says, it is a tricky business identifying them. I have afew who should not be there, eg Taruffi in 1952, when his Ferrari was the fastest car, but he was really slow. I think same applies to Berger 1994; his Ferrrari 412 was fast, but he and Alesi were...

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Class war: back in the Thirties most drivers were from the upper economic classes. At Mercedes-Benz one of their mechanics was promoted to the GP team in 1935: Hermann Lang. Established team drivers Caracciola and Von Brauchitsch used to taunt him continually. Von B pointedly ordered ' red wine for ...

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Like Moby, I remember being pleased at Barrichello's 2002 German GP win. Barrichello said he was crying on the podium, not because he was emotional over the win, but he was thinking aboutthe time his father sold their (only) old, small car to fund further kart racing. Button's win for Honda in 2006 ...

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This topic suggested by Mikey on LT Drebin's Popular Victories thread: How many races won by slow/midfield cars? I have not closely defined/checked that the following are actually all 'midfield' but they were unexpected winners, being much slower than the front runners each season: 1952 Taruffi/Ferr...

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I'm sure Brawn is right : one cannot just change a system that's been deveoped over years, overnight. Teams need time to incorporate new regs ahead of their packed schedules. Agree with suggestions above here to return to racing fast and hard. :thumbup: Get rid of the boredom-and-channel-switching p...

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Nuvolari the greatest? Many have reckoned thirties driver Nuvolari was the greatest of all. He certainly did perform at an amazing level until into his mid-forties. Like Fangio, he was known for never giving up trying. What probably 'cemented' his name were his wins in Alfa Romeos against the domina...

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MDS: the last part of my post was badly worded. :blush: What I meant was that one has to consider how much slower the car was compared to the top/fastest, ie the gap. Dominance does not depend only on how fast the dominant package is, but on the competitiveness/closeness of rivals. Whenever two or m...

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Back in the late 70s I was fortunate to chat to Andretti at Kyalami. Asked him about Foyt as a driver. He said: "AJ was a great driver and tough competitor, but always fair. Imagine every week there would be AJ, Parnelli, Roger Ward and me, four abreast in sprint cars, sideways on the turns, and nev...

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I hope none of the negative news (people leaving, sponsors) are not too serious. It would be sad to lose one if the greatest F1 teams of all.

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Foyt certainly was a legend, and very successful driver, not just at Ovals. And he is TEXAN 8O . All this makes it hard to believe his first trip to spectate at Indy as an impecunious teenager failed. The officials turned him back at the gate for not having the right ticket! I can't remember the det...

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nixxxon wrote:Agree with most, although the 1994 butterfly effect... that would mean Senna would've been champion in 1995,1996 and 1997 most probably

if Hill and Villenueve could win WDCs and score multiple wins, what could/would Senna have done in those outstanding Williams-Renault cars!

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It does seem that in some cases, Siaou's saying 'fan bias' generates many arguments, applies. It is often based on like or dilsike of a driver's personality or his earlier history: Rosberg and Alonso have been disliked by many for years. Rosberg has been really fast from day one against Webber, then...

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The Alonso-Vettel comparison at Ferrari, like most analysis of F1, is not straightforward. Alonso's Ferraris 2010-2013 were faster than Vettel's Ferrari's 2015-2016. Ie Alonso 's cars were closer to the front-runners. By my calcs just by an average of 0.2. But at this level of racing this 0.2 can ma...

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Old road type circuits: almost as beautifully set as Spa was the Bremgarten Circuit in Berne. This was also a really old road, with some cobbled sections, winding through the ancient Bremgarten Park. Some of the huge trees must have been hundreds of years old. The first Swiss GP race here was in 193...

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Agree with all the positive comments here about Damon Hill. Pole2win summed up what I also think was his greatest asset: determination. I did not know that Jabby Crombac thought so highly of Damon; as Fiki knows, Crombac was a very perceptive observer. Good summary and analysis by OP Beleriand :thum...

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My package speeds are taken direct from times as recorded on-track. These most accurately reflect the competition. EG when some seasons were so close-fought: 2007 when the four McLaren and Ferrari package-ratings worked out equal. Unique. 2012 when the Vettel/Red Bull-Renault and the Hamilton/McLare...

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Of the three current 'great' drivers, according to my car-ratings averaged over their careers: Hamilton had by far the fastest cars. Vettel had the next-fastest cars, almost 0.5-sec per lap slower. Alonso had the slowest cars by almost as second per lap. This is reflected in their win totals and is ...

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Relating the wins scored by Hamilton (53),Vettel (42) and Alonso (31) to the cars they drove, the wins were almost in proportion to the relative speeds of their cars. Hamilton had the fastest or equal fastest car for 5 of his 10 seasons. Vettel had the fastest or equal fastest car for 5 of his 10 se...

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You are quite correct that teams supplying differing equipment usually does not make a big difference. In my explantory vol I devote some pages to this, with examples. :thumbup: Pleased to see you recognise how well Benetton and Schumacher did in 1992. I think the media were all about Mansell/Willi...

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The observation by Zoue that Alonso had fewer dips in his performance than Hamilton (or Vettel), seems accuirate to me. Alonso would not have had the messy (4 collisions) off-form season Hamilton had in 2011. In 2016 Alonso would have worked as hard as Rosberg did and got his starts right. I think H...

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I've read a few times that Mansell badly damaged Piquet Snr's reputation in 86-87, but Piquet did take the '87 title so I'm not sure if that counts in this context really. Apparently Piquet was slower post a '87 San Marino crash, but that was a little before my time. Piquet and Mansell were fairly ...

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It seems that Honda were concerned after Frank Williams's road accident injuries that the Williams team would drop the ball, and decided to go to McLaren anyway, although Piquet definitely had Honda as a trumpcard.

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The three top-rated drivers who have had their stats downgraded the most are Moss, Surtees and Alonso. Surtees only had a competitive car for two seasons (1960 and the first two races of 1966) in his 13 year career. Alonso has not had a top-rated car since Renault in 2006, although his Ferrraris of ...

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I really hope NIco gets a car that shows how competitive and consistent he is.

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(2) Alonso has weaknesses too(believe it or not).The "big" problem though is that his strengths are more suitable for driving in the midfield but not the best for front running cars. To win multiple WDCs you need to kill it in qualifying and be a master in the rain.. there are other aspects too tha...

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Rindt really knocked Graham Hill's confidence and reputation at Lotus in 1969. They two did not like each other. Rindt of course being so much younger and really fast showed in how much Hill's speed dropped off that season. Piquet vs Mansell : in 1986 they were virtually equal in speed, but after Pi...

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Pleased to see the Bernie E pic. He was always a real enthusiast.
Sad about Mark Donohue's accident. I'd like to have seen him in F1 at his peak (late sixties until about 1972). A most professional driver.

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Good to get other views. Three I'd go another way with: 2012: Hamilton would and should have been WDC without his team's problem pitstops and a couple of grid penalties. 2011: hamilton would have been WDC. 2008: strongly disagree with your verdict: It was Glock, not Hamilton, that would have given i...

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Something I've always thought is just what could Barrichello have achieved if he hadn't had Schumacher as his team mate? Now that would be a good thread. Who would have become champ it their teem mate had not been there :thumbup: Good idea, hope one of you do start another thread; it would be a goo...

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