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Paolo_Lasardi

There is no such thing as a known quantity when it comes to drivers in Formula One. Ofcourse, but it's about as good as you're going to get. Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas someti...

Paolo_Lasardi

Tou do realise that this impression is also based on circular logic. Bottas was not trounced by Hamilton, therefore he must be pretty good in a top car. There are other explanations possible of course that do not paint Bottas’ performances in such a great light. Hamilton is a known quantity that's ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Races Hamilton lost in 2019-2020 Australia 2019 - jumped at the start by Bottas, picked up floor damage during the race, I find it difficult to imagine that he would’ve been able to overtake around the old Melbourne layout. That track was poor for passing. Baku 2019 - outraced by Bottas Austria 201...

Paolo_Lasardi

Races Verstappen has lost in the ground effect era Australia 2024 - car failure Singapore 2023 - car nowhere near quick enough Baku 2023 - leading until the safety car gave Perez a free pit stop Jeddah 2023 - quickest in Q1 by half a second but car fails in Q2 Brazil 2022 - car not quick enough as ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Races Verstappen has lost in the ground effect era Australia 2024 - car failure Singapore 2023 - car nowhere near quick enough Baku 2023 - leading until the safety car gave Perez a free pit stop Jeddah 2023 - quickest in Q1 by half a second but car fails in Q2 Brazil 2022 - car not quick enough as ...

Paolo_Lasardi

I think something that is being missed here just observing is the difficulty passing/following conparivetly between 2019 and 2022. There's a fair few races in 2022 where Max would have lost without the incredibly easy passes he could make in 2022 (e.g. Spa). In 2019 starting down the grid for whate...

Paolo_Lasardi

Races Verstappen has lost in the ground effect era Australia 2024 - car failure Singapore 2023 - car nowhere near quick enough Baku 2023 - leading until the safety car gave Perez a free pit stop Jeddah 2023 - quickest in Q1 by half a second but car fails in Q2 Brazil 2022 - car not quick enough as ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Factored in to the logic you're applying. If Verstappen can have off days so can everyone else. This means on days where Verstappen's car has looked unbeatable it may not have been. I've never seen you make this point. It's possible I've missed it of course. I think I have emphasized the large amou...

Paolo_Lasardi

That's not the same. I queried pokers but not for a trait that was also present on KV's. You seem to take issue with KV's list for a reason that also exists on Poker's but for some reason didn't care about it there. Of course KV could be wrong on some of them. Lets just apply that evenly to other d...

Paolo_Lasardi

Is it not assumption that Verstappen is always at least equal to his rivals. I agree this is flawed but it's the exact same logic people always apply in these conversations. Poker does the exact same thing when listing the reasons Hamilton didn't win certain GPs in 2019. It's odd you seem have no i...

Paolo_Lasardi

It is literally just 3.... There are 2 others were it's mentioned among other factors which meant he couldn't win the GP anyway. Perez wasn't faster in Baku they had very similar pace. I didn't know anyone believed that Perez didn't cheat in Monaco but even if you don't it's still relevant to point...

Paolo_Lasardi

That's literally just 3 of the 12.... 5 Plus no evidence that Perez cheated in Monaco plus Baku 2023 Perez was quicker anyway. It is a one-sided view as much as you can take it, tbh. It is literally just 3.... There are 2 others were it's mentioned among other factors which meant he couldn't win th...

Paolo_Lasardi

The 2019 and 2020 seasons are comparable to the 2022 and 2023 seasons but for some reason you don't include all of the 2022 season, including all would make 10 races that he lost. I've no doubt that Verstappen did better but it's very much a black and white comparison you make, Red Bull operational...

Paolo_Lasardi

Races Verstappen has lost in the ground effect era Australia 2024 - car failure Singapore 2023 - car nowhere near quick enough Baku 2023 - leading until the safety car gave Perez a free pit stop Jeddah 2023 - quickest in Q1 by half a second but car fails in Q2 Brazil 2022 - car not quick enough as ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Mercedes didn't have a dominant car throughout the 2019 season, it was very similar to the 2022 Red Bull throughout that season. It wasn't. For most of the 2022 season Red Bull had a car that was it's equal in the Ferrari. That wasn't the case for the Mercedes in 2019 where it only had a few tracks...

Paolo_Lasardi

Yeah I don't think 2019 Merc was "dominant" in the true sense of the word, it was definitely the best car on average obviously - but there were plenty of tracks where another car was better Ferrari threw away quite a few wins, almost matched Mercedes with pole positions 9-10. Yeah, it is interestin...

Paolo_Lasardi

Races Verstappen has lost in the ground effect era Australia 2024 - car failure Singapore 2023 - car nowhere near quick enough Baku 2023 - leading until the safety car gave Perez a free pit stop Jeddah 2023 - quickest in Q1 by half a second but car fails in Q2 Brazil 2022 - car not quick enough as ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Races Verstappen has lost in the ground effect era Australia 2024 - car failure Singapore 2023 - car nowhere near quick enough Baku 2023 - leading until the safety car gave Perez a free pit stop Jeddah 2023 - quickest in Q1 by half a second but car fails in Q2 Brazil 2022 - car not quick enough as ...

Paolo_Lasardi

So the same as Hamilton in 2019 and 2020? Verstappen has had a dominant car since Belgium 2022. That's 34 races. Verstappen has won 28 of them. He's failed to win just 6 GPs. Hamilton had a two year run with a dominant car and a teammate he could easily beat. He won 22 races out of 37. He'd already...

Paolo_Lasardi

The 2019 and 2020 seasons are comparable to the 2022 and 2023 seasons but for some reason you don't include all of the 2022 season, including all would make 10 races that he lost. I've no doubt that Verstappen did better but it's very much a black and white comparison you make, Red Bull operational...

Paolo_Lasardi

Unlike you JN23 I can't be bothered to read back through this whole thread to check if this has already been mentioned but one thing I will say that Hamilton's legacy will continue beyond his time in the seat, not sure I feel the same will ever be said about Verstappen. I agree that Hamilton is the...

Paolo_Lasardi

I am stunned how everyone seems to think to know about the details and clauses of contracts and who is contracted to whom etc. I don't know, for instance, whether there is a contract of any nature between RB and Verstappen senior. And also I don't know anything about the exit clauses in Verstappen ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Racing could be just as unfair in the 80s just perhaps in different ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulV75GP2CiU If this sequence of events involving Senna and Rosberg happened today nobody would ever stop talking about it. There was just no social media back then to magnify controversies. A v...

Paolo_Lasardi

Racing could be just as unfair in the 80s just perhaps in different ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulV75GP2CiU If this sequence of events involving Senna and Rosberg happened today nobody would ever stop talking about it. There was just no social media back then to magnify controversies. :th...

Paolo_Lasardi

Racing could be just as unfair in the 80s just perhaps in different ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulV75GP2CiU If this sequence of events involving Senna and Rosberg happened today nobody would ever stop talking about it. There was just no social media back then to magnify controversies. A v...

Paolo_Lasardi

Racing could be just as unfair in the 80s just perhaps in different ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulV75GP2CiU If this sequence of events involving Senna and Rosberg happened today nobody would ever stop talking about it. There was just no social media back then to magnify controversies. :th...

Paolo_Lasardi

I am stunned how everyone seems to think to know about the details and clauses of contracts and who is contracted to whom etc. I don't know, for instance, whether there is a contract of any nature between RB and Verstappen senior. And also I don't know anything about the exit clauses in Verstappen J...

Paolo_Lasardi

Racing could be just as unfair in the 80s just perhaps in different ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulV75GP2CiU If this sequence of events involving Senna and Rosberg happened today nobody would ever stop talking about it. There was just no social media back then to magnify controversies. :th...

Paolo_Lasardi

Clearly you think that drivers need to be predictable at all times and I disagree. There is a fine line between unpredictability and dangerous driving and I don't think Alonso crossed it in Australia. I have been following the sport since the late 70s and this is my opinion. The sport has become a ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Yes, clearly you and I see the sport through a different lens. I like hard old school racing, is that a crime? I honestly think you like something that never existed. I have been around in the 1970s and 1980s, also as a racing driver in various lower-level categories, and drivers were not using unp...

Paolo_Lasardi

The more the dust settles the less sure I am the stewards made the correct decision. Especially listening to comments from people like Hill. Trouble is Alonso faking a throttle problem shows that even he thought he was guilty of something. Makes it hard to mount a strident defence. I think what Alo...

Paolo_Lasardi

Exediron wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:24 pm

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:41 pm
Trouble is Alonso faking a throttle problem shows that even he thought he was guilty of something. Makes it hard to mount a strident defence.
I'd give him a penalty for that bit alone, to be honest!

Paolo_Lasardi

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Senna introduced the hard-nosed style racing as in "yield or we crash" and the sport was a lot less safe then. The baton was picked up by Schumacher before increased safety measures were introduced. The cars are much safer today of course and nobody wa...

Paolo_Lasardi

As little as possible, yes. Only when a driver clearly oversteps the mark should the Stewards intervene. Which quite frankly is the way it was in the 80s and the 90s before the nannies took over. Drivers were behaving differently. Braking unpredictably as well as moving unpredictably under braking ...

Paolo_Lasardi

Fair enough. It is not okay to cheat on the track but it is fine to cheat off it. Gotcha! As for 2016, I have no problem with what Hamilton did, but then again I think a lot of on track actions are fine. What happened in 2021 has not changed my views at all, we should let the drivers race and whate...

Paolo_Lasardi

That is strange, 2009 did not happen on the track? Well, you could have fooled me. As for 2016, of course, it is Hamilton. 2009 on track Hamilton did absolutely nothing wrong, it was only later in the strwards room it became an issue. I think you know the difference. 2016 if you want to put that on...

Paolo_Lasardi

I think that brake testing and moving in braking zones should not be allowed. Fair enough, it is a valid stance in this discussion. I think unsettling another driver by lifting prematurely and putting down the throttle again should be part and parcel of a driver's arsenal. As for moving under braki...

Paolo_Lasardi

Marko doesn't have to sign for Mercedes for Verstappen to go there. clearly. at the moment there are all kinds of "reports" that Verstappen to Merc is a done deal. no way that has happened right now, for next year. how ugly do you think it gets if Jos tells RB his son wants out? I'm guessing it get...

Paolo_Lasardi

He can, Marko had the power to amend his contract with the consent of Verstappen, if Marko leaves then Verstappen can leave. marko just re upped. so he can’t sign with merc right now, as is being “reported” Marko doesn't have to sign for Mercedes for Verstappen to go there. clearly. at the moment t...

Paolo_Lasardi

Im surprised parralells are being drawn between Hamilton and senna, schumi, verstappen. We learnt all we need to know about Lewis sportsmanship and whether or not he'd "cheat" to win during the last lap restart in 2021. He could have turned in on Max during the initial pass and then left his nose i...

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