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Johnson

2023 is not like 2002 for me. Ferrari had a 1-2 in 8 of 12 two car finishes. Ten double podiums from twelve two car finishes. Rubens would have won nearly every race he finished without MS there. No comparison to Perez this year. 2023 is more like 2013 and 2011. It is highly unusual for a dominant s...

Johnson

I think it's sad some fans now see this as a 'normal' option. And in this specific case, risking your own car to risk your only chance of a win this season, seems very unwise to me. Perhaps Charles noted last year how Hamilton failed to retain his only chance of a race win in Brazil. It's not the "...

Johnson

Leclerc fights him every time they're together on track. But it's true that quite a few drivers don't seem to bother. There's fighting and there's "fighting". Leclerc made Verstappen's life quite easy in Abu Dhabi. I've yet to see Leclerc make Verstappen choose between backing out and crashing. I t...

Johnson

Ignoring the “pure conjecture”, we agree on all the others? Would you agree with me, that this statement is also pure conjecture? “The fact that engines now have to run multiple races negates a lot of the advantages of the past (Prost/Senna era for example)”. On car development, if Max is telling h...

Johnson

Unbelievably consistent driver + unbelievably consistent team + reliability + a little bit of luck = Verstappen's epic streaks. Hamilton's streak >4 breaks: 2014 4 streak: Beaten on merit by Rosberg. 2014 5 streak: Beaten on merit by Rosberg. 2016 4 streak: Beaten on merit by Rosberg. 2016-17 4 str...

Johnson

There seems to be an idea floating around that Mercedes was terrible operationally, and that is why Hamilton in 2019 and 2020 did not achieve what Verstappen has achieved in 2022 and 2023, so let’s go back and look at every race Hamilton did not win in those years to see how true this is. RACES HAM...

Johnson

Ignoring the “pure conjecture”, we agree on all the others? Would you agree with me, that this statement is also pure conjecture? “The fact that engines now have to run multiple races negates a lot of the advantages of the past (Prost/Senna era for example)”. On car development, if Max is telling hi...

Johnson

I'm not entirely convinced by that; I think Bottas is definitely a better qualifier, and Perez the better racer. People seem to have forgotten just how timid Bottas is when it comes to wheel-to-twheel racing. I would probably have agreed with this at one point, but Perez lately seems to have comple...

Johnson

I think history will judge Sainz kindly. Verstappen, Norris and Leclerc as team mates and done well against all 3, despite never really shining bright. Of course Leclerc is better, but Sainz has probably became a bit under rated. I never rated him that highly but when you list the team mates… wow. ...

Johnson

The most interesting part of the race was Leclerc trying to get Ferrari 2nd in the WCC. He nearly did it. He just needed a live delta on his dash to Perez and keep it at around 4.8 seconds out the last turn. Or maybe his race engineer updating him? Ferrari had nothing to lose. I think he could have ...

Johnson

Something interesting... If Red Bull didn't exist in this season Hamilton would have won the WDC with only 3 wins in a 22 race season. It would have been one of the best seasons ever. So many winners. But surely Alonso is the title winner, he would win 5 of the first 6 races. Hamilton wins the titl...

Johnson

Something interesting... If Red Bull didn't exist in this season Hamilton would have won the WDC with only 3 wins in a 22 race season. It would have been one of the best seasons ever. So many winners. But surely Alonso is the title winner, he would win 5 of the first 6 races. He was P2 in Australia...

Johnson

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:52 pm
Something interesting...

If Red Bull didn't exist in this season Hamilton would have won the WDC with only 3 wins in a 22 race season.

It would have been one of the best seasons ever. So many winners. But surely Alonso is the title winner, he would win 5 of the first 6 races.

Johnson

What about once reliability is factored in? 3 reliability retirements for Mercedes (all for Russell) 3 reliability retirements for Ferrari (2 for Leclerc and 1 for Sainz) 2 reliability retirements for McLaren (both for Piastri) 3 reliability retirements for Aston Martin ( 1 for Alonso and 2 for Str...

Johnson

Best seasons with dominant cars IMO would be, for instance: Lauda/Prost in 1984 Prost/Senna in 1988/89 Rosberg/Hamilton They had to fight for it and couldn't just cruise to the title. For me as a racing fan, that counts more than scoring season records without competition. So if Verstappen drove at...

Johnson

All dominant cars are not equal, Alain Prost had the best car ever in 1988 but he had Senna as a team mate. A big emphasis in dominant cars is who is the team mate. Perez (after race 5) has been useless. His first 5 were actually top level number 2, won one race on pace. Won another when Max hit tro...

Johnson

What about once reliability is factored in?

Johnson

Massa's inclusion is highly understandable. Not exactly what the topic is about but he is among the poorer vice champions in terms of ability generally. In his specific vice champion year he had the best car, probably by far, and was competing against a guy in his second season who was making plent...

Johnson

I was going to say Patrese and then I checked and he finished directly behind Mansell in every single race they both finished. 8/8. The car was that good, that he could be thrashed and still come 2nd. I didn’t think it would be Perez but it seems like it might be. In a dominant car, he finished in t...

Johnson

Yes, what does that prove? That you are merely guessing, anyway are we looking to argue that Prost was not several Kgs lighter than Senna? Mansell being significantly heavier than Senna was mostly down to him and not to anything beyond his control. We are all guessing to some extent, but so far I h...

Johnson

Yes, what does that prove? That you are merely guessing, anyway are we looking to argue that Prost was not several Kgs lighter than Senna? Mansell being significantly heavier than Senna was mostly down to him and not to anything beyond his control. We are all guessing to some extent, but so far I h...

Johnson

Yes, what does that prove? That you are merely guessing, anyway are we looking to argue that Prost was not several Kgs lighter than Senna? Mansell being significantly heavier than Senna was mostly down to him and not to anything beyond his control. We are all guessing to some extent, but so far I h...

Johnson

No, but we can take their height and make a calculation based on averages. The obvious advantage is that we exclude other facts that may affect weight that are in the driver's control, such as fitness regimes . You can disprove my calculations and offer alternative ones, but arguing because you dis...

Johnson

So just to hammer that home. If Ocon and Hamilton were paired as team mates racing back in the day. He would have you believe they weighed: Ocon: 75 kg Hamilton: 66kg Reality Ocon: 66kg Hamilton 73kg He would work out Hamilton to be 9kg lighter, when in reality he is 7 kg heavier. This is a 16kg er...

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Johnson

So just to hammer that home. If Ocon and Hamilton were paired as team mates racing back in the day. He would have you believe they weighed: Ocon: 75 kg Hamilton: 66kg Reality Ocon: 66kg Hamilton 73kg He would work out Hamilton to be 9kg lighter, when in reality he is 7 kg heavier. This is a 16kg er...

Johnson

So just to hammer that home. If Ocon and Hamilton were paired as team mates racing back in the day. He would have you believe they weighed: Ocon: 75 kg Hamilton: 66kg Reality Ocon: 66kg Hamilton 73kg He would work out Hamilton to be 9kg lighter, when in reality he is 7 kg heavier. This is a 16kg err...

Johnson

Ocon also reported in an interview he is just 66kg and 186cm. His BMI range is 64.5-86kg. BMI has him borderline unhealthy underweight. Again t2jd1967’s would tell you Ocon weighs 75kg. Just 9kg heavier than reality, Does anybody know any other certified driver weights so we can run a few more, see ...

Johnson

Lewis Hamilton is 73/74 kg. He said this earlier in the season. His height is 174cm, his BMI range is 56-76kg. Let’s use t2jd1967’s method for establishing Lewis Hamiltons weight. 56+76 divide by 2. T2jd1967 would tell you Lewis Hamilton weighs 66kg. A 6-7kg inaccuracy from reality. Are you happy wi...

Johnson

This discussion is going the same way as the one in which we discussed just how much lap time was bought by Red Bull breaching the cost cap. Straws, clutching, etc. Still, when looking weights and heights up, I came across one source which claimed that a taller driver enjoyed a better view of the t...

Johnson

Earlier in the thread figures of “0.3 - 0.6 seconds over the field” and “at least 0.3 seconds” were posted, based on an apparent difference between Prost and Senna of 12kg. Which is obviously not the correct starting point for the discussion. You are moving the goalposts now; you indeed did say tha...

Johnson

Also, we do not trust posted weights for drivers but you’re happy to go to the very same websites and get their heights and then use that to predict their weight? How come?

Johnson

BMI is not a reliable indicator at all; numerous medical journals have discussed this. It is one of those old terms that the lay population are familiar with which is why it keeps getting tossed around. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215 The source you've cited is accurate but doesn't...

Johnson

There is actually an app that if you put photos of yourself in just shorts and put your height, it will predict your weight and body fat percentage extremely accurately. The power of AI. Prost was spoken about his weight numerous times in the past though. It’s hardly some big secret. We do not need ...

Johnson

Prost drove into senna in Suzuka, there was no escape for Senna. The only outcome was a collision. He got the crash he wanted and it won him the WDC. At Monza Vertsappen just had to cut the chicane like 99% of drivers do in this exact scenario. Including Vertsappen himself in a near identical situat...

Johnson

Any evidence that you can offer on Verstappen Monza 2021 or is that just your opinion you are passing off as fact? The same goes for Prost 1989 obviously, but I don't want to be the one further opening this particular can of worms. It is just that opinion-as-fact has been a recent topic of discussi...

Johnson

Do you remember who it was that Senna wanted to beat more than anything or anyone else? I do. I also clearly remember what Keke Rosberg said about Prost's speed. For what it's worth, I also clearly remember what Rosberg said about Prost at Suzuka 1989. You might find it instructive to look it up. I...

Johnson

I don't recall a single time other drivers in that period thought smaller, lighter drivers had an unfair advantage. It is fine to point that advantage out, but it has to be seen in the context of that time, and with due regard for a top driver's other qualities. No, Rosberg did not blame Prost for ...

Johnson

How about the height of basketball hoops or the size of a tennis court? But nobody has ever lobbied to play on smaller tennis courts or lower the hoop? It was that way from the start and nobody saw it an unfair. Why did F1 change the rules in 1995 and then again 2016 with regards to driver weights?...

Johnson

How about the height of basketball hoops or the size of a tennis court? But nobody has ever lobbied to play on smaller tennis courts or lower the hoop? It was that way from the start and nobody saw it an unfair. Why did F1 change the rules in 1995 and then again 2016 with regards to driver weights?...

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