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It's obvious hyperbole (the same post described him as having been 'butchered' after all) but he wasn't a top driver. Mansell himself - and presumably by extension Piquet, whom he pretty much matched - was a definite cut below the top tier of his era, which was Prost and Senna. Considering how soun...

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You actually meant to say, "... then I would probably put him in the top 6 rated drivers". The forum took a vote and Vettel was not rated in the top 6 so I am not the one in a minority here What was the question of the vote? Best driver in F1, or best driver of 2014? Is there a difference? My votes...

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Pullrod wrote:To answer to the OP, I will say Hulkenberg and Rosberg(in an other team or with a different teammate).

Rosberg lacks a good car?

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Yes, I think that is pretty much a general understanding that Vettel needs to beat Kimi, as you could see that even from our posts here. Nobody is yet saying something different. The sticky issue that I was bringing up is the manner in which that is to happen, that some "Vettel doubters" are alread...

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Yes, I think that is pretty much a general understanding that Vettel needs to beat Kimi, as you could see that even from our posts here. Nobody is yet saying something different. The sticky issue that I was bringing up is the manner in which that is to happen, that some "Vettel doubters" are alread...

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You only consider 2 situations: 1. The car perfectly suits the drivers 2. The car does not suit the drivers at all. You don't consider anything inbetween, or consider the fact that the car may suit the driver at some circuits and not at others. I mean look at Singapore 2014 - car suited Kimi and he...

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If you read my reply just a few up from this, you will see that I have stated it could be one of several factors. The only fact I have stated for certain is that Kimi's results improved fairly dramatically. So something in the car's makeup must have changed in order for him to get the results he di...

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He did get a podium four races before, at Monaco. But he never managed consistent performance until after Hungary. Why do you think results improved? Judging the season as a whole, it probably was a combination of factors. Favourable tracks, Kimi getting his act together, and maybe they found somet...

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I don't understand how this is difficult. If the car suits them, they will maximise its potential, whatever that might be. In which case they will be very strong subject to the maximum potential of the car. If the car is not to their liking, then they will not maximise the potential of the car and ...

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He did get a podium four races before, at Monaco. But he never managed consistent performance until after Hungary. Why do you think results improved? Judging the season as a whole, it probably was a combination of factors. Favourable tracks, Kimi getting his act together, and maybe they found somet...

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that's not really the point, though. All I'm saying is that if the car suits their needs then the Ferrari pair are contenders for strongest pairing, since they are both capable of delivering strong results. If it doesn't, then they will be at a bigger disadvantage than the others as they have shown...

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He did get a podium four races before, at Monaco. But he never managed consistent performance until after Hungary. Why do you think results improved? Judging the season as a whole, it probably was a combination of factors. Favourable tracks, Kimi getting his act together, and maybe they found somet...

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My best guess has always been team focus. Kimi was out of the team by the end of the year, Massa wasn't. I believe Ferrari's biggest efforts mainly went to Massa. Then Massa was taken out. Better swap back over to that other guy. Hey look at that, he won a race! I'm sure the deteriorating Brawn lim...

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If you are going to do that then you also need to show Kimi's results prior to Hungary, since it's his alleged improved performance being debated. And his results were: 15, 14, 10, 6, RET, 3, 9, 8, RET. So prior to Hungary he couldn't even string two decent results together, whereas after that he g...

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You don't think it makes sense that a car which is easier to drive is more likely to have its performance accessed by both drivers than a car which is a handful? The thread is about who are the strongest driver pairings, now if we are going to start involving the car in this then its a slam dunk fo...

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Yes, I think that is pretty much a general understanding that Vettel needs to beat Kimi, as you could see that even from our posts here. Nobody is yet saying something different. The sticky issue that I was bringing up is the manner in which that is to happen, that some "Vettel doubters" are alread...

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Which does make sense to me. Even putting aside the fans' expectations, Vettel is the replacement for Alonso, he got a big deal with Ferrari, and Ferrari is aiming for the renewal of competitiveness along his arrival. And in the situation, Vettel can't afford himself to lose the internal teammates ...

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All we know is that his results improved. We don't know why. My best guess has always been team focus. Kimi was out of the team by the end of the year, Massa wasn't. I believe Ferrari's biggest efforts mainly went to Massa. Then Massa was taken out. Better swap back over to that other guy. Hey look...

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All we know is that his results improved. We don't know why. My best guess has always been team focus. Kimi was out of the team by the end of the year, Massa wasn't. I believe Ferrari's biggest efforts mainly went to Massa. Then Massa was taken out. Better swap back over to that other guy. Hey look...

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There is no conclusive evidence sure but the fact is that Kimi's results did improve quite significantly. It could be down to the car in general, or it could be down to preferences, or it could be down to luck. But something definitely changed Massa had his accident in Hungary were we are to presum...

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that's not really the point, though. All I'm saying is that if the car suits their needs then the Ferrari pair are contenders for strongest pairing, since they are both capable of delivering strong results. If it doesn't, then they will be at a bigger disadvantage than the others as they have shown...

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that's not really the point, though. All I'm saying is that if the car suits their needs then the Ferrari pair are contenders for strongest pairing, since they are both capable of delivering strong results. If it doesn't, then they will be at a bigger disadvantage than the others as they have shown...

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The thread is about the strongest lineup, not who's the best driver overall. And if a driver (or drivers) is capable of very strong performances with a car that handles well, then it's still legitimate to say that he could contribute to a strongest lineup. The caveat is, of course, that if the car ...

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And thats why, i think, Ron wanted to reduce the total number of "have to be trusted claims" by signing with Honda. McLaren will NOW share every success or disappointment coming from Honda grounds. McLaren are not Honda. They are still trusting another company to build the engine for them. If Honda...

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I don't think that Kimi can be considered to be tier 1 anymore and in that respect Vettel needs to beat him Disagree, even in last year's unsuited car to him he often qualified within a tenth of Alonso. So be kind to Vettel when Kimi puts some manners on him this season ;-). The 2009-2013 Red Bulls...

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This 'Vettel has something to prove' notion is rather ridiculous... same with anyone who says Hamilton or Alonso have something to prove. Vettel was a breath of fresh air when he filled in for Kubica and then did a stellar job for Toro Rosso. Once he was a title contender and kept Hamilton and Alon...

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Vettel without a doubt but from the perspective of doubters and not my personal opinion of him as a driver. If Kimi beats him where does that leave his reputation? I think he had a hard time adjusting last year and having got the most out of the blown diffuser characteristics, stood to lose the mos...

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Apart from the two Mercedes drivers who just about everyone has as one two, and are frankly going to walk it bar mechanical problems, there is a lot of variation in the picks. And it is going to be very interesting who manages to get closest to the actual result. Hard to pick Yep one might call it ...

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I agree it's not easy, but equally you can't exclude the possibility. If you say Vettel can win four titles while being rubbish, then that devalues the WDC and makes me wonder what the big deal about winning it is. Once may be lucky but four times? He must have done something right. And as stated b...

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So you say that Kimi would have outscored Massa even if he continued, or Massa would have driven even better than Kimi for the rest of 2009 season? or something other? Whatever you bring, Kimi DID have a great run once Massa was out of Ferrari seat. And he is more than capable of doing same run of ...

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This 'Vettel has something to prove' notion is rather ridiculous... same with anyone who says Hamilton or Alonso have something to prove. Vettel was a breath of fresh air when he filled in for Kubica and then did a stellar job for Toro Rosso. Once he was a title contender and kept Hamilton and Alon...

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This 'Vettel has something to prove' notion is rather ridiculous... same with anyone who says Hamilton or Alonso have something to prove. Vettel was a breath of fresh air when he filled in for Kubica and then did a stellar job for Toro Rosso. Once he was a title contender and kept Hamilton and Alon...

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Vettel without a doubt but from the perspective of doubters and not my personal opinion of him as a driver. If Kimi beats him where does that leave his reputation? I think he had a hard time adjusting last year and having got the most out of the blown diffuser characteristics, stood to lose the mos...

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AngusWolfe wrote:I imagine his practice sessions last year didn't hurt.

King announced as developmental driver too, in what is a shocking twist(!)

I'm thinking it might be a bit like musical seats and whichever driver can bring sufficient funds at any given time will get to sit in the car

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Lotus weren't anywhere near Red Bull in Spa or Monza. In Singapore, they were equal to Mercedes, but nowhere near the speed of Red Bull. Even before the SC, Vettel could pull 1.5 seconds on Rosberg whenever he wanted. In Korea, this is the only race where you might have a point, although it's not a...

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Amazing to think that Alonso hasn't had the best car on the grid since the middle of 2006! That will be nearly 10 seasons come the end of 2015 :!: The length of Senna's career. Before Canada 2006, Alonso had 13 wins in 26 races. Since Canada 2006, Alonso has 18 wins in 156 races. Hamilton has 11 wi...

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Just imagine Alonso had not had a better car than the 2014 Ferrari for his entire career. Alonso would have not been rated as the 2015 Fernando. Heck, poor Hulk didn't even drive a car like 2003 or 2008 Renault let alone McLaren MP4-22. This would never have happened because Alonso is simply better...

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Blackhander wrote:STRAYA!

1-Hamilton
2-Rosberg
3-Ricciardo
4-Vettel
5-Bottas
6-Massa
7-Raikkonen
8-Kvyat
9-Button
10-Grosjean

Cheers for putting in the hard yards running this pokerman. Hopefully I can improve on last year... Or at least not get worst :s

You won 2 rounds last year you are not that bad

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The DAMS car at the top again

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Been a fan since he joined and followed his career in Torro Rosso quite closely Need any proof? Here's the official Ricciardo thread: http://forum.planet-f1.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2155 I found this interesting. From that link, posted Sept 2012: Dan will be in a red bull seat in 2014. A year later ...

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