I would say the essential difference is quite clear and significant; whatever there was to know in order to protest and appeal in 2021, was known on the day of the assumed wrong itself.F1 MERCENARY wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:50 pmAnd this is not too different to 2021 when you compare what was done and how poorly each situation was handled.
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- Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:49 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32599
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:40 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32599
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
As Liberty Media, I would first of all try to ascertain the extent to which we (LM) were aware of the problem that the 2008 season still constituted.
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:49 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32599
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
Thanks, I was starting to wonder where the legal team stood with their enquiries. So, this is indeed serious business.
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:50 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Race Thread
- Replies: 362
- Views: 8620
Re: 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Race Thread
The race was terrible, it's one thing to have a dominant team and a dominant driver but the racing behind was a procession, it seems we are back to dirty air and it being really hard to overtake which these cars were supposed to eradicate, but no the officials have allowed the teams to put things o...
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:21 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Race Thread
- Replies: 362
- Views: 8620
Re: 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Race Thread
The race was terrible, it's one thing to have a dominant team and a dominant driver but the racing behind was a procession, it seems we are back to dirty air and it being really hard to overtake which these cars were supposed to eradicate, but no the officials have allowed the teams to put things o...
- Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:30 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
- Replies: 52
- Views: 1630
Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
Bearman, Ocon, Perez What did Perez do apart of ignoring red lights causing an unsafe release and being massively slower than his teammate? I'm surprised you didn't notice he did pretty well. I can't say I was looking at his times the whole race through, but I can't agree with "massively slower". H...
- Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:28 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
- Replies: 52
- Views: 1630
Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
Bearman, a fresh face on an otherwise snoozefest. Why were these first two races held on a Saturday? Anyone know? I understand it is related to the start of the Ramadan on the evening of Sunday 10th March; so the Saudi Arabian race was moved to Saturday . And because there has to be a 7-day period ...
- Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:14 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
- Replies: 52
- Views: 1630
Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
Bearman, Ocon, Perez What did Perez do apart of ignoring red lights causing an unsafe release and being massively slower than his teammate? I'm surprised you didn't notice he did pretty well. I can't say I was looking at his times the whole race through, but I can't agree with "massively slower". H...
- Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:51 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
- Replies: 52
- Views: 1630
Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
Bearman, Ocon, Perez What did Perez do apart of ignoring red lights causing an unsafe release and being massively slower than his teammate? I'm surprised you didn't notice he did pretty well. I can't say I was looking at his times the whole race through, but I can't agree with "massively slower". H...
- Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:40 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
- Replies: 52
- Views: 1630
Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix
Bearman, Ocon, Perez
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:28 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
- Replies: 571
- Views: 32599
Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous. Felipe Massa is Looking At Legal Options Over 2008 F1 Title Outcome.
In an article shared by Fiki in another thread, there was an interesting quote from Jean Todt from 2003. Since the Massa story was raised a few days ago, anyone know where this is regulated? I will readily admit not to have taken the trouble yet to track it down. Ferrari's sporting director Jean To...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:23 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Your favourite seasoning opening race (since 2000)
- Replies: 17
- Views: 1848
Re: Your favourite seasoning opening race (since 2000)
What happened with the FIA clamping down on Michelin tyres? Michellin had created tyres that would deform quite a lot under a sideways load (i.e. when cornering). That would effectively increase the contact patch and therefore offer superior grip. Ferrari, the only major team left on Bridgestones a...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:57 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Your favourite seasoning opening race (since 2000)
- Replies: 17
- Views: 1848
Re: Your favourite seasoning opening race (since 2000)
If you get the chance I'd recommend watching the whole 2003 season. It was a cracker. It was until the FiA clamped down on the Michellin tyres at the behest of Ferrari and Montoya getting that ridiculous penalty in the 2003 United States Grand Prix. What happened with the FIA clamping down on Miche...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:36 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Saving F1
- Replies: 174
- Views: 6770
Re: Saving F1
How about an inversed DRS; instead of (or in addition to) opening the DRS flap when close enough on straights, have a mechanism for increasing wing angles when close enough on the twisty parts :D Reverting to 2009 in a way? I wonder whether that solution was ever properly evaluated. Although I stil...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:20 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Saving F1
- Replies: 174
- Views: 6770
Re: Saving F1
How about an inversed DRS; instead of (or in addition to) opening the DRS flap when close enough on straights, have a mechanism for increasing wing angles when close enough on the twisty parts :D Reverting to 2009 in a way? I wonder whether that solution was ever properly evaluated. Although I stil...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:05 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: What is more interesting?
- Replies: 62
- Views: 3327
Re: What is more interesting?
I agree, but that is because cars have become so reliable that the best car (and driver) is likely to win the majority of races. When Ferrari started to create cars that broke down very rarely, it changed the sport forever. Whichever team held the advantage in the beginning of the season was likely...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:53 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: What is more interesting?
- Replies: 62
- Views: 3327
Re: What is more interesting?
Excellent response. The real answer of course is "it depends." T he reality is that the majority of seasons are not incredible exciting from a sporting point of view. If you are only looking for close-fought championships where the various strengths of driver-car-tactical combinations allow differe...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:42 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Saving F1
- Replies: 174
- Views: 6770
Re: Saving F1
This has been happening for a long time and the only fix I see is to either allow development or put BOP in place (balance of power) Until then IMSA and WEC is where the best racing taking place F1 is nothing but WWE Max will be champ till a formula change then the next 4 or 5 year champ will move ...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:04 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix
- Replies: 11
- Views: 1734
Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix
Sainz, Norris and Perez, not necessarily in that order, though I enjoyed Sainz's efforts very much indeed. Care to explain the Perez one? Perez did a very good job, and I found judging others difficult watching only the world feed. I did have the live timing to look at from time to time and he did ...
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:19 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix
- Replies: 11
- Views: 1734
Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix
Sainz, Norris and Perez, not necessarily in that order, though I enjoyed Sainz's efforts very much indeed.
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:16 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
- Replies: 185
- Views: 7740
Re: 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Marko did say Perez wasn't struggling in the final stint. It was Perez's intent to not push too much & too hard as he had to maintain those softs for 20 laps. He did just enough to maintain about a three second gap so as to not let Sainz come in DRS position & also not push unnecessarily. I'm sure ...
- Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:33 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Christian Horner Allegations Thread
- Replies: 457
- Views: 27969
Re: Christian Horner Allegations Thread
The report from the Warren Commission was published in full. That did not stop conspiracy theories and it may well have fuelled them. I agree, the Warren Commission didn't do a good job and was prejudiced by the FBI and the Executive Branch. The conspiracy theories were in response to a transparent...
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:39 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Hamilton to Ferrari for 2025 Season
- Replies: 472
- Views: 21228
Re: Hamilton to Ferrari for 2025 Season
1762795352829161605 Not wanting to blow my own trumpet (OK, that's a lie) but this is basically what I was saying Mercedes attitude should be and why they may only offer Hamilton a year contract. I thought it would be for them to perhaps keep Leclerc or Norris as an option though rather than priori...
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Hamilton to Ferrari for 2025 Season
- Replies: 472
- Views: 21228
Re: Hamilton to Ferrari for 2025 Season
1762795352829161605 Not wanting to blow my own trumpet (OK, that's a lie) but this is basically what I was saying Mercedes attitude should be and why they may only offer Hamilton a year contract. I thought it would be for them to perhaps keep Leclerc or Norris as an option though rather than priori...
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:02 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
Nope... There would have been nothing questionable if Lewis wins behind the SC about fairness as you put it. Rules are clear, all cars must be unlapped, how could you complain that why the RD didnt remove just the cars between Lewis and Max for the sake of fairness, then dont wait until they reach ...
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:36 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
No because Mercedes fans can show that how the race was conducted wasnt legal. If the race finished behind SC all you have is that you wanted to see Max win, thats not enough for claiming it is unfair that the regulations werent bended to make him win. Tomato, tomato... Nope... There would have bee...
- Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:19 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
I disagree with your statement that the recent ICA has removed the 15.3 overriding authority as an argument. That case revolved around a mistake made by the GT race director, with her defence trying to explain that away claiming it was covered by the overriding authority. That was unwarranted, but ...
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:59 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:57 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
I disagree with your statement that the recent ICA has removed the 15.3 overriding authority as an argument. That case revolved around a mistake made by the GT race director, with her defence trying to explain that away claiming it was covered by the overriding authority. That was unwarranted, but ...
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:14 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
The regulations don't state what you are claiming; there is no necessary end to the matter if that particular message isn't sent, other than to remove the requirement for all lapped cars to overtake, and for the SC to take an additional lap before coming in. Nowhere in that regulation is it stated ...
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:11 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
- Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:29 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
From the driver perspective none. From the RD being the cause of that signal, 48.12 would be the problem because that mechanism was not followed which means the RD did not correctly make use of exception b) in 48.8 and the RD has no ability to control the other exceptions directly. That is to say e...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:24 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
^ Moreover, done in a way that was contrary to the way the rules are written/had ever been interpreted before. Merc made their decision not to pit for fresh tyres based on those rules. I don't think anyone genuinely believes what happened was right or fair. I think those that continue to defend it ...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:59 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
^ Moreover, done in a way that was contrary to the way the rules are written/had ever been interpreted before. Merc made their decision not to pit for fresh tyres based on those rules. I don't think anyone genuinely believes what happened was right or fair. I think those that continue to defend it ...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:39 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
Writing on phone so it is considerably harder to format neatly. 48.8 imposes the restriction since it points directly to article 48.12 if you want to allow cars to pass the safety car to unlap in exception B. The only allowed mechanism to unlap cars during a SC is via 48.12, there is no other allow...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:01 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
^ Moreover, done in a way that was contrary to the way the rules are written/had ever been interpreted before. Merc made their decision not to pit for fresh tyres based on those rules. I don't think anyone genuinely believes what happened was right or fair. I think those that continue to defend it ...
- Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:52 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
Unfortunately while that means the drivers who overtook were not in breach of 48.8 under exclusion a) it does not absolve Masi of the same because the only way for Masi to inform the drivers to overtake is via exclusion b) "b) Under Articles 41.1c), 48.12, 51.6 and 51.12 below.". This means to acti...
- Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:32 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
Of course I think it was fair to restart the race after the SC, and especially so in this case; there was a race win and a championship to be decided, and it was correctly left to the drivers to decide it. Really? Why is it fair for Max to have the cars between him and Lewis removed so he can race ...
- Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:29 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
The argument made was Article 13.4 of the 2023 GT Open International sporting regs is exactly the same as Article 15.3 of the 2021 F1 sporting regs. The ICA disagreed It means the 'overriding authority' of article 15.3 of the 2021 F1 Sporting Regs cannot be used to do something outside of the rules...
- Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:09 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
- Replies: 2029
- Views: 137500
Re: Michael Masi. 1 Year on.
"To my mind, getting all the lapped cars to unlap for no other purpose than to make a final racing lap impossible, is hard to pass off as falling under the category of sporting fairness." Your mind is very interesting because you think sporting fairness would be to remove Hamilton's 10+ seconds adv...