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bourbon19 wrote: Drivers of the race: Vettel, Verstappen, Saniz

In what way was Sainz more impressive than Ricciardo getting within 2 seconds of Vettel despite a slower car?

Curious how you could justify leaving the clearly strongest driver out.

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Ricciardo easily, considering the relative car pace that was a monster.

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I wouldn't bet on the Renault's lasting the whole race.

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Kimi Raikkonen

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Now that this seems very likely, what type of deal do you think there will be? Will Red Bull have access to the full current spec Ferrari engine or an outdated spec, will they have access to the Ferrari fuels and lubrications or forced to use their own (and take that hit in performance). Most import...

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Covalent wrote: Unlike the Ricciardo fan base who are particularly positive towards Vettel?

I've never tried to downplay Vettel. He's a very good driver and certainly one of the best on the grid.

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Yeah I think I got took down this route with posters saying that what you see on the track is not the true reality, you have to ask then if that's what you truly believe then what is the point of watching? The problem I have most trouble with is just the inconsistencies. Bourbon19 clearly takes som...

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I agree. I just don't think teammate battles is a major determining factor. Its not the only factor, but its a fairly major one. Beating another driver when you have a car 1 second per lap faster than them isn't really determining either. Its like Hamilton is beating Alonso and Vettel now, but is h...

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The Honda engine made the Renault look strong at Monza. Thats saying something.

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Maranello1 wrote:I hope this happens. Proud to be a Ferrari fan when they make a move that's good for F1.

This is good for the sport and good for competition.

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Yeah I think I got took down this route with posters saying that what you see on the track is not the true reality, you have to ask then if that's what you truly believe then what is the point of watching? The problem I have most trouble with is just the inconsistencies. Bourbon19 clearly takes som...

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Was Webber inferior to Vettel? Was Schumacher inferior to Rosberg? Yes and a 40+ Schumacher was inferior to Rosberg on his F1 comeback but he did improve to the point were quite a few think he was better than Rosberg in 2012. Well that was my point. You can't leave the "40+" out of the story when t...

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While team cars are as close as you are going to get, they are far from equal. Look at Hamilton and Nico in the last race. Was Nico's old engine up to par at any point during Qually and the Race? Probably not seeing what happened in the end, yet some consider that Lewis' superior qualifying and rac...

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bourbon19 wrote: I don't argue that. I just disagree with the mythical 6 tenths.

He wouldn't bring that over every driver, obviously. But he would bring it over many of the non champion drivers.

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What is this time table you have going on? 4 months, 4 years. It seems fairly arbitrary. Senna lost to Prost, then Prost lost to Senna - how do you resolve that? I think our differing opinions on this is directly related to how much relative importance we place on beating a teammate. I didn't downg...

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I kind of agree with the guys saying no stand out drivers really. Hamilton probably as I do think his pace was a bit greater than that of the car. Plenty of drivers had strong races, but none really stood out that much. The top 4 the cars finished in the order you would expect. To me though, there ...

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Kimi I guess Kimi was consistently slower than Vettel he was quicker on the softs edit: I've just been looking at the lap breakdowns and you are right: Vettel was faster almost the entire race. I'm a bit puzzled quite frankly because I was following live timing and I distinctly remember Kimi postin...

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I kind of agree with the guys saying no stand out drivers really. Hamilton probably as I do think his pace was a bit greater than that of the car. Plenty of drivers had strong races, but none really stood out that much. The top 4 the cars finished in the order you would expect. To me though, there w...

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Very strong race by Ricciardo despite getting barely any running in Practice, comfortably quicker. I'm noticing a trend here now their car is somewhat functional again. Too be fair Kvyat wasn't that far behind Thats fine. There is typically quite low separation between driver times at Monza conside...

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Very strong race by Ricciardo despite getting barely any running in Practice, comfortably quicker.

I'm noticing a trend here now their car is somewhat functional again.

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And you dont think that drivers can have an off form season, or taking longer to feel comfortable after radical changes to the car? Generally, yes... rookies do improve. But its not a given at 100%. Especially at a time when rookies had the option to test the real thing. Take Hamilton for example. ...

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There's no somehow about it: their pace was comparable. I've already posted the stats to prove it. What makes you think it was uneven? If their pace was comparable, how was Kvyat going to catch Ricciardo? Really? Are we going down the semantics route now? Ricciardo was faster in the first stint, Kv...

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There's no somehow about it: their pace was comparable. I've already posted the stats to prove it. What makes you think it was uneven? If their pace was comparable, how was Kvyat going to catch Ricciardo? Also do you have evidence for your statement that Grosjean overtook Ricciardo the lap prior to...

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So from the above I would say that they were at the very least fairly reasonably matched. There's certainly no evidence that Ricciardo was quicker than Kvyat and, as previously mentioned, Kvyat was closing the gap quite dramatically before Ricciardo's retirement. Ricciardo had the advantage by virt...

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I thought I just saw an interview with Toto saying the decision would be his and he was against it. I may be wrong (working nights, dog tired) It could all be a bargaining tool remember, Mercedes are pretending interest. I wouldn't imagine Mercedes would particularly want a RBR/Ferrari alliance as ...

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If you ran the Mercedes F1 team the answer is obviously no, as its the F1 team's job to win.

If you ran Mercedes as a car company the answer is maybe, as it would further their brand promotion.

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Each race had different circumstances. I'm saying in this race they were at least equal at the time of Ricciardo's retirement, so it cannot be said that Ricciardo was out-performing Kvyat. Its hard to take your posts seriously if you can't even be vaguely reasonable. I don't see the need for insult...

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Each race had different circumstances. I'm saying in this race they were at least equal at the time of Ricciardo's retirement, so it cannot be said that Ricciardo was out-performing Kvyat. Its hard to take your posts seriously if you can't even be vaguely reasonable. I don't see the need for insult...

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Zoue wrote: Each race had different circumstances. I'm saying in this race they were at least equal at the time of Ricciardo's retirement, so it cannot be said that Ricciardo was out-performing Kvyat.

Its hard to take your posts seriously if you can't even be vaguely reasonable.

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They both have the exact same amount of retirements for mechanical reasons (well Kvyat has one DNS and a DNF). But with the recent drastic upswing in performance Ricciardo's have been far more costly. I'll take my non finishes at the start of the year when the car is barely scoring points than when...

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Well I'm still waiting for Tost's #2 driver to start getting the beating of his #5 driver, it would be nice to see theory put into practice The wait is over. As of last race: Daniil 57 points Daniel 51 points But again, 'beating the teammate' is not the most important criteria for TPs and other pri...

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I'm not talking about the whole year, but in this race (not qualifying, agree Ricciardo did a better job) I think it's a stretch to say that Ricciardo was doing better than Kvyat. It would be quite hard to separate them IMO but there was nothing Ricciardo was doing that suggested he had anything ov...

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Yes that's true, but after their stops Kvyat was 14.833s behind and closing Ricciardo down at quite a significant rate before Ricciardo's retirement, so who knows what would have happened for the rest of the race? You cannot say Ricciardo had the beating of Kvyat with such a large part of the race ...

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The move likely was 'theoretically' Ricciardo's fault due to positioning, but it was a dumb move by Nico regardless. Daniel was basically off the track and he had nothing to gain by cutting across like that. No sympathy for the guy.

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Meaning that Ricciardo and Kvyat were both on the same tyre strategy give or take a lap. Ricciardo would have finished in front of Kvyat if he'd finished the race without any car issues, as he was a good 10 seconds or so down the road already. Given the pace of the RBR on low fuel and new options (...

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Another driver of the day performance with nothing to show for it

Rocket start too. Never thought I'd be saying that about Ric.

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Watching McLaren flounder way at the back of the field during yesterday's race I kept on thinking what an awful waste of his talent is going on. I recall him at Ferrari simply driving the wheels off his car, attaining results that were simply far beyond what that substandard car should have been ab...

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Then he will be remembered as one of the greatest drivers to ever driver a formula 1 car, much as he is now

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Why is everyone picking Kvyat, Grosjean and Vettel, yet not Ricciardo who looked by far the most likely out of those four for a podium.

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Why would Mercedes want to provide Red Bull with their engines? It would be an alarmingly foolish move if you think about it. Pretty much everybody with an opinion on the subject says that being a works team is a huge advantage, so what should Mercedes really have to fear? You say you watch Sky? Di...

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