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TheThirdTenor

on the basis that a great driver can't do anything with a mediocre car, yet a mediocre driver can still get a positive result with a great car, I'd have to say Newey. Yeah, like certain Webber, that was never WDC 2nd even in dominant 2011 RBR car, even his 3rd was result of win Vettel gifted him by...

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Webber did challenge in 2010 though.

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Massa was not able to get anywhere near the championship in 2010 and 2012. Ferrari could only challenge for those championships with Alonso in the car.

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As for the people saying that Newey is no guarantee of success due to the drought he went through in the early 00s, this is true. Though no designer is a guarantee of success. However Newey has the best record of any designer in the modern day, and with 3 different teams and multiple drivers. If you...

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grow up, F1yer. You are making yourself look quite foolish :thumbup: :thumbdown: He is not the one that started a poll just to ridicule Vettel and a member of the forum. Agree. That was obviously the agenda behind OP, as he (TTT) even confirmed that by his cheering over his success to teach "f1yer"...

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I can't begin to address the ignorance of it all... though ATH was very polite, i guess my patience is wearing thin for various reasons, so excuse me if i sound too curt at times :P RBR is a ducking team, a team which is ducking led by a very capable man in Horner. As much as some here will claim o...

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Blake wrote:grow up, F1yer. You are making yourself look quite foolish

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klauss wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:Over their 2 years together, Alonso beat Trulli.
would have been interesting to see how trulli would have fared against alonso in a wdc winning car in 05-06.

I agree. I think he would have at least done better than fisi.

TheThirdTenor

So you think 51 posters are fanboys of other drivers? We even had a Vettel fan voting for Newey!

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You are making the mistake that number 1 status only refers to race strategy, that is a small part of it. What about when they only have one new part for a race weekend? Who gets the best Engine that has 777 BHP on the bench, who gets the one that had 770. Mclaren used to draw straws to decide this...

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So I think we've established that its not just fanboys of other drivers that think Newey is more valuable than Vettel.

Hopefully f1yer has learnt his lesson and is a better person for it.

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What if Kimi loses to Alonso?

Beaten by Massa, Heidfeld, coulthard and Alonso....

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In fact he wasnt really that well known until he got his recent success at RBR with Vettel. I was aware of Newey when his cars won the CART titles in 1985 and 1986 with different drivers. His car won the Indy 500. He also designed the car Senna died in, and was caught up in serious legal problems i...

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But Byrne's not been around for how many years? Byrne was simply a glaring illustration of How far does Newey brilliance goes. Certainly puts a shade on the "Master of Aero" title. And Newey has lost to other design teams as well just for completeness sake. In fact , if I remember correctly 4 years...

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If Vettel is the key to success why didn't Ferrari move heaven and earth to sign him? Who the hell knows? Maybe they did but Vettel said "No Thanks" Maybe Alonso pulled wool over their eyes as well and told them "Newey is the key".. Maybe they are just stupid ... yes thats probably it !! One thing ...

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You do have to love the delusion of f1yer. Vettel made Newey :lol: Newey was designing the all conquering Williams cars while Vettel was still in potty training. Vettel has only won in Newey cars. Newey on the other hand gas won with many different drivers. Vettel hasn't also driven for any other d...

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If i were f1yer, I would not show my face around here again. He has been well and truly shot down.

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If you had to pick Newey, the conditions would be that you buy Red Bull, because its really under that environment that Newey has flourished. While he did have success before he was really not at the top of his game. Put him back at Maclaren and you will get a resignation letter. Force him and you ...

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F1yer, we have told you repeatedly that Newey was well known before Vettel came along. You choose to keep ignoring that.

And you can not put down the poll results to everyone being a fanboy. There are some fanboys around, but I doubt there are 33 and increasing.

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Just another thread where those that dislike Vettel have chance to make him look bad. If Newey is better than Vettel, then why Webber does not deliver with that super-duper Newey car? He is really not that bad! Erm Newey and Vettel have different roles. The question is, which one is more valuable, ...

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Over their 2 years together, Alonso beat Trulli.

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Looks like f1yer is on his own, bless! :lol: Bless you too .. Its lovely to see you scamper off to hurriedly open a stupid poll every time you hear something positive about Vettel. This thread has proved you wrong. I think you have some egg on your face. Well not really! You cant place too much imp...

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You do have to love the delusion of f1yer. Vettel made Newey :lol: Newey was designing the all conquering Williams cars while Vettel was still in potty training. To say that Newey was not known before red bull is completely untrue. Vettel has only won in Newey cars. Newey on the other hand gas won w...

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F1yer wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:Looks like f1yer is on his own, bless!
Bless you too ..
Its lovely to see you scamper off to hurriedly open a stupid poll every time you hear something positive about Vettel.

This thread has proved you wrong. I think you have some egg on your face.

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Laura23 wrote:Actually Vettel was the best driver also year. He won the title, not Alonso. It is only the team bosses opinions that Alonso was better.

Winning the title doesn't mean you were the best driver in the year.

The general consensus was that Alonso was the best driver last year.

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You are making the mistake that number 1 status only refers to race strategy, that is a small part of it. What about when they only have one new part for a race weekend? Who gets the best Engine that has 777 BHP on the bench, who gets the one that had 770. Mclaren used to draw straws to decide this...

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Why make someone number 1 if you don't give the number 1 superior strategy? You do, but sometime circumstances arise whereby it is a greater loss to the team by changing the drivers positions or it might just be a day where your number 2 driver is performing better than number 1. Turkey 2006 with M...

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Why make someone number 1 if you don't give the number 1 superior strategy?

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Also, in 2010, when Alonso won, Massa was always on the podium, except for Singapore where Massa started from the back.

I think when the car performs well, Massa also performs well. When the car is difficult to dive, Massa struggles.

TheThirdTenor

You are making the mistake that number 1 status only refers to race strategy, that is a small part of it. What about when they only have one new part for a race weekend? Who gets the best Engine that has 777 BHP on the bench, who gets the one that had 770. Mclaren used to draw straws to decide this...

TheThirdTenor

You can blame f1yer's statement for the poll. And Byrne is only working in a consulting role. He contributed to the F2012 to. Yeah, and Newey "contributed" to the RB4 too. It was not a great car. Like I said, you could have made the poll far more valuable. You're free to make your own poll.

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For all we know, it's his design team that is actually doing the real work. I know he has a decent track record of wherever he goes a very strong car springs up within a short time, but he is still just one man. If you eliminated Vettel from existence, and everyone who finished behind him moved up ...

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Thinking about it, the poll could at least have offered something extra. Who's the driver if you pick Newey, who's the CTO if you pick Vettel? Where does the one that you don't pick end up? What if Byrne next year proves to be able to create a better car than Newey (like he did during a period of i...

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Looks like f1yer is on his own, bless!

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I remember 2004 season, Trulli was performing better than Alonso up until he got sacked. That's not true. Alonso was, on the whole, performing better from about France onwards. But I am sure trulli had more points than alonso before the sacking? Which is quite different than your first post. Trulli...

TheThirdTenor

Following this comment in another thread from f1yer:

"of course vettel is more valuable than newey... its just fanboys ofother drivers who think otherwise."

Who in your opinion is more valuable, Vettel or Newey?

I know that if I had the choice to sign one or the other, it would definitely be Newey.

TheThirdTenor

And we also agree that Vettel's actions were stupid in Barcelona last year? Depends. He didn't cause a massive accident that could have killed himself or others did he. Was it stupids? Yes. Was Alonso's incident more dangerous? Yes given the conditions and the speed of that corner. That's not the i...

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scuderia_stevie wrote:Yep, can't wait to next year. Be cheering Kimi and Seb on, hoping the Iceman wipes the floor with Alonso. This Ferrari fan will be a happy man again.

I doubt you really are a Ferrari fan if you're cheering for Vettel.

TheThirdTenor

In the post qualifying interviews I believe he said he was happy with his lap, so I don't think he made a mistake.

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Ok, I thought we were talking about the 2012 race

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