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Greenman

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Why do people who know that the result was "tweaked" still want Hamilton and Mercedes to accept the "tweak" ?

That is not "natural justice".

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Greenman

. Well Verstappen tried very hard to hit Hamilton, but he managed to avoid it. So who is the superior driver ? The one who aimed his car to hit another, or the one who managed to avoid the collision ? . Come on, unlike the previous race, he took the turn properly and was ahead ahead at the apex. Le...

Greenman

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Well Verstappen tried very hard to hit Hamilton, but he managed to avoid it.

So who is the superior driver ? The one who aimed his car to hit another, or the one who managed to avoid the collision ?

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Greenman

. I can live with Masi being weak and incompetent, but only because he broke at least two regulations in "tweaking" the result and arbitration will make Hamilton World Driving Champion. What I find very difficult to live with is the Verstappen fans who are completely blind to what happened. I can ap...

Greenman

. And what will Liberty Media think once the appeals process starts ? Better if the FIA caves in today and (relatively) quietly makes Hamilton the World Drivers Champion, citing Mesi acting outside his powers and against regulations and putting the positions back to pre-crash. Would Red Bull have an...

Greenman

. Angry at the illegal fiasco that was basically Masi deciding the result of the drivers' championship. Partly amused and partly angry at the attitude of those Verstappen/Red Bull fans who are seemingly blind to what happened. Expectation at Mercedes success at arbitration process, and depression at...

Greenman

Masi sequence: 1). Message all drivers that lapped cars will not be released, As a result Lewis stays out, Max pits. 2). U-turn that decision once Max is back on track and the pack has collected. Lapped cars will be released. 3). Assume divine powers to release only some of the 8 lapped cars. A new...

Greenman

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I cannot see any prospect of Mercedes not winning their appeal.

Masi, and the stewards, are fools for not just biting the bullet and admitting that Masi got it wrong.

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Greenman

Yep, the way some of the rules are vaguely worded gives them a lot of wriggle room. . Oh ! Please point out the "wriggle room" . The very article mentioned (15.3) that summarises the Race Director essentially being able to override other regulations (or something along those lines). . Nothing of th...

Greenman

The fia have wrote the rules as such that article 15.3 has basically given Michael masi can't blanche to do what the hell he likes. Yep, the way some of the rules are vaguely worded gives them a lot of wriggle room. . Oh ! Please point out the "wriggle room" . The very article mentioned (15.3) that...

Greenman

Biffa wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:33 pm

wire2004 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:19 pm
The fia have wrote the rules as such that article 15.3 has basically given Michael masi can't blanche to do what the hell he likes.
Yep, the way some of the rules are vaguely worded gives them a lot of wriggle room.

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Oh ! Please point out the "wriggle room"

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Greenman

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Because they are embarrassed ( and wrong ) - which is why Mercedes have appealed.

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Greenman

wire2004 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:19 pm
The fia have wrote the rules as such that article 15.3 has basically given Michael masi can't blanche to do what the hell he likes.

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The exact opposite of what you intended to say - Masi had only two choices and he chose a third which wasn't allowed.

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Greenman

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So Masi can't even acknowledge when he made the biggest mistake in F1 for years !

( How much did that cost the drivers in position money ? )

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Greenman

. It is interesting how the online TV and newspaper reports are nowadays (i.e. today) so different from when Schumacher was racing. Then they were quite open about calling out dangerous moves, or odd decisions. So far today all the papers and TV reports I can find are strictly factual and offer no o...

Greenman

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:52 pm
My god. Masi basically said to Toto that they ignored the rules for the sake of a race finish.

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He could hardly deny it as everyone saw it happen.

IF Mercedes appeal it is going to be difficult to back Masi up.

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Greenman

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MASI

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Greenman

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Anyone but Verstappen, who only won curtesy of Masi.

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Greenman

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It is a shame that the Verstappen fans seemingly saw a completely different race to the rest of us. They should be fans of F1, not TV fans.

Please can they quote the rules that Masi used to allow what he did ?

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Greenman

This was lucky for verstappen, but people can't deny that it isn't normal to not let lapped drivers through. red bull raised that, and were successful with their complaint. Verstappen just by chance won this, but why people call it discussing, i don't know. Correct. Its quite common to get at list ...

Greenman

IDFD wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:36 pm
The only lapped cars that unlapped were the ones between Max and Lewis.

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Yes, a farce.

I wonder what rule that was allowed under ?

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Greenman

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I wonder whether anyone has the nerve to vote for Verstappen as "driver of the day" ?

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Greenman

wire2004 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:35 pm
Michael masi your a absolute disgrace to this sport.
This is the worst decision I have ever seen in 27 years of watching formula 1.

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Greenman

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The FIA are not fit to run F1.

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Greenman

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The race,

The "championship"

and F1 are a joke !

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Greenman

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Now 4 cars can overtake the safety car !

What a fix.

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Greenman

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Lapped cars not being allowed to overtake / unlap themselves ?

Where did that rules come from ?

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Greenman

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Maybe Red Bull could make Perez Verstappen's driving coach over the off season to teach him how to drive properly.

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Greenman

Yeboah24 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:07 pm
According to the stewards that move was ok.

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Of Course ! - after all why would the FIA actually impose the rules ?

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Greenman

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So the FIA/Stewards are still allowing poor driving without punishment !

This year's "championship" is still a joke.

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Greenman

Battle Far wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:13 am
My take on the GP

Verstappen is reckless, Hamilton learnt absolutely nothing from Australia 2009

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You forgot, Mesi is a disaster and the stewards are wimps for not enforcing the FIA rules.

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Greenman

. Well, the Stewards after the race matched Mesi during the race - a mess. Verstappen's driving was a disgrace, totally disregarding the rules. Likewise, the stewards disregarded the rules in reaching for a punishment. Why don't the FIA just tear up the rulebook ? It does remind me of the worst days...

Greenman

. Maybe Verstappen is an RAC member ; Slam on fraud In ‘slam on’ fraud cases, criminals will slam on their brakes unexpectedly in the hope that an unsuspecting car will crash into the back of their vehicle. The fraudsters will then make a claim aiming to make as much money as possible. The ‘slam on’...

Greenman

. Thanks to JN23 above ; "The Article in question: "Causing a collision, repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car (such as leaving the track) will be reported to the Stewards and may entail the imposition of penalties up to and including disqualification ." ...

Greenman

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Please disqualify Verstappen - he was plain dangerous today, it would tell him (and any others) that Mesi and the stewards are serious (!) about the rules.

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Greenman

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For anyone voting for Verstappen, can you explain why you did, and why Verstappen wasn't much more heaavily penalised ?

Thank you.

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Greenman

FormulaFun wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:48 pm
Max getting boo'd hard, that's unusual

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But thoroughly deserved.

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Greenman

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Who got fastest lap ? As BBC website says that Verstappen is leading Hamilton by 1 point ?
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Greenman

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I pity the rest of the stewards after Mesi's mess of a race, there will be numerous complaints coming in from the teams.

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Greenman

pokerman wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:33 pm
There goes driver of the year Max.

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There will still be people here that will vote Verstappen as "Driver of the Day" !

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