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- Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:50 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
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Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
Oh cmon, Vettel has had more support than Webber, Raikkonen has had more support than Grosjean, whilst neither Webber or Grosjean are contractual number 2's they have become defacto number twos because their teammates have scored more points than them. Once a team realizes they have to support one ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:47 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
- Replies: 70
- Views: 13886
Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
I wouldn't hold my breath.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:43 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
And do you think that other people have gotten their opinions that are perhaps aimless and not backed up on what happens in the races? Like people who write about F1 on a professional level, they all just wake up one morning, jump out of their beds and exclaim to the world "Eureka! Massa is No2 in ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:27 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
- Replies: 160
- Views: 31282
Re: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
I must admit I'm getting a little tired of him, first off there's this myth that Ferrari have given him scrap cars to drive, so far he has 11 victories and 40 podiums in less than 4 years, it's not Ferrari's fault that they're getting beaten by one of the greatest minds in the history of F1 Adrian ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:23 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
- Replies: 70
- Views: 13886
Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
Alonso had a very unhappy 2004 at Renault. Trulli had the upper hand on him but I do believe Alonso simply didn't perform to the best of his abilities that year. It was the first sign of his flaws though, that he doesn't cope well when his team mate is doing rather well, that he can let it affect h...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:56 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
- Replies: 70
- Views: 13886
Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
Alonso had a very unhappy 2004 at Renault. Trulli had the upper hand on him but I do believe Alonso simply didn't perform to the best of his abilities that year. It was the first sign of his flaws though, that he doesn't cope well when his team mate is doing rather well, that he can let it affect h...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:55 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
- Replies: 70
- Views: 13886
Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
And what driver would be happy if their team mate was outscoring them?number27 wrote:
I seem to recall that Fred wasn't too chipper when Trulli was outscoring him in 2004. He doesn't seem to handle pressure from team-mates too well.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:53 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
And do you think that other people have gotten their opinions that are perhaps aimless and not backed up on what happens in the races? Like people who write about F1 on a professional level, they all just wake up one morning, jump out of their beds and exclaim to the world "Eureka! Massa is No2 in ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:50 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
Just to add, I think they were also trying to be as fair as possible during the last set of stops. Webber should have had the undercut. However they gave it to Vettel in order to protect him from the mercs behind him. To try and even it out, they ordered multi 21. They just aren't expecting Vettel ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:11 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
- Replies: 160
- Views: 31282
Re: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
I am a little. I can see why he is frustrated, but he's only one step away from a Vettel-esqe "DO SOMETHING!!". Why doesn't he get off his pickle and help, instead of moaning? . You mean like drag the mules he has been give to the brink of winning two world titles? Or did you mean something else? I...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:04 pm
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing
- Replies: 217
- Views: 34272
Re: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing
Well we know more about Alonso than we do Vettel, we know Vettel is better than Webber and thats were his history against teammates starts and ends. Well no, we know he's better than Bourdais and Liuzzi too. As for Alonso, we know he's better than Marques, Yoong, Trulli (well, 1 of 2 seasons...), F...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:58 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
The funny thing is, the first race Massa came back, he
Outqualified alonso! After Bahrain 2010 people thought it would be a close fight between the 2.
Outqualified alonso! After Bahrain 2010 people thought it would be a close fight between the 2.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:54 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing
- Replies: 217
- Views: 34272
Re: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing
Alonso beat trulli overall (2003 and 04 combined).
I agree about webber. IMO he is at a similar level to someone like trulli.
I agree about webber. IMO he is at a similar level to someone like trulli.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:50 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
- Replies: 160
- Views: 31282
Re: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
The Tifosi were chanting his name at the weekend.
They love him.
They love him.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:43 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Ferrari considered paying Alonso off
- Replies: 103
- Views: 19669
Re: Ferrari considered paying Alonso off
Alonso has driven very well for the past 4 years. But how do Ferrari know he can't drive better? They're signing Kimi as someone to motivate and push Alonso as their is a risk Alonso might have become complacent with no internal threat. And Here I was thinking that Ferrari signed Kimi because Massa...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:11 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
I don't see how it doesn't make sense.Zoue wrote: I've read this a few times and I don't see how your answer makes sense in the context of the post you were replying to?
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:06 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
OK, at least that's consistent. Just to add, I think they were also trying to be as fair as possible during the last set of stops. Webber should have had the undercut. However they gave it to Vettel in order to protect him from the mercs behind him. To try and even it out, they ordered multi 21. Th...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:59 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Actually mds said that in the context that the reason people dont rate him as highly is because he has a great car, which is very true. You can read plenty of posts on this forum saying people wont rate him highly untill he drives for a different team/with a bad car etc. What you did was quote only...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:56 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
The point car. The great car that Vettel has had in the last few years has only enhanced his reputation. For some. The doubters hold the fact he's never had a bad car (always forgetting STR ofcourse) against him to doubt him/detract from him/not rate him highly. And it was in the context (context!!...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:51 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
Massa ended up with the worst strategy, by far. He got the undercut in the first stop. If the team truly favoured Alonso, then they would have given alonso the under cut. So what's your take on Webber getting an undercut at the second pit stop in Malaysia this year? Does this mean that RBR doesn't ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:45 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Actually mds said that in the context that the reason people dont rate him as highly is because he has a great car, which is very true. You can read plenty of posts on this forum saying people wont rate him highly untill he drives for a different team/with a bad car etc. What you did was quote only...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:41 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
I'm sure Hamilton and Alonso wish they had the same "handicap" as Vettel.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:37 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
He got the undercut in the first stop. If the team truly favoured Alonso, then they would have given alonso the under cut.mds wrote:
Massa ended up with the worst strategy, by far.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:33 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that. This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable. Black_Flag_11 has alrea...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:31 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that. This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable. Actually mds said that ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:28 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
mcdo wrote:Jenson Button manages a strip bar?!TheThirdTenor wrote:Even button managed a pole in his bar.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:25 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
See my previous post. For you, that one driver ends up getting a better strategy every now and then than his teammate The examples given are not even all indicative of Massa ending up with the better strategy. Look at Australia 2013 - has been discussed before but apparently it's still used as some...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:24 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
I think you I've said everything I need to say and it doesn't look like I will convince you to think any different despite the examples I have provided. Yes, you have said everything you needed, indeed. Your message is more than clear: If I don't substitute the opinions of many F1 expert people, li...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:39 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts
- Replies: 146
- Views: 27268
Re: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts
There is no doubt Vettel is a great driver. However the arguments and counter arguments about Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton compared as drivers, and particularly the valid point made above 'when Hamilton does well its his skill, when Vettel does well its Newey or his car' are not real comparisons. If...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:36 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Webber the quali specialist who had 0 pole positions before 2009! :lol: At least Massa actually had a number of pole positions to his name. Really? as someone who throws around the "its all the car" argument so much I would have expected you to pick up on Massa being in a top car for 06/07/08 when ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:33 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that. This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable. Actually mds said that ...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:29 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
- Replies: 70
- Views: 13886
Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
The 2 are not mutually exclusive.Jenson's Understeer wrote:I don't think he'll try too hard with the mind games next year. It's a complete waste of time with Kimi, and if he does try anything, I reckon he'll quickly give up and concentrate on being faster on the track.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:27 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
I think you I've said everything I need to say and it doesn't look like I will convince you to think any different despite the examples I have provided. Yes, you have said everything you needed, indeed. Your message is more than clear: If I don't substitute the opinions of many F1 expert people, li...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:03 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
I think you I've said everything I need to say and it doesn't look like I will convince you to think any different despite the examples I have provided.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:30 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
Indeed this is overlooked. Lotus gave new parts to Kimi before grosjean and also issued team orders as early as round 4.Porsan wrote:I don't think Alonso has had a less competive or more compliant team mate than Räikkönen in the last couple of years.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:26 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
- Replies: 368
- Views: 66638
Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable.mds wrote:
Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that.
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:21 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts
- Replies: 146
- Views: 27268
Re: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts
There is no doubt Vettel is a great driver. However the arguments and counter arguments about Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton compared as drivers, and particularly the valid point made above 'when Hamilton does well its his skill, when Vettel does well its Newey or his car' are not real comparisons. If...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:16 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
Watch the first stint. Alonso was right behind Massa for the whole stint. Massa got to pit first, Alonso had to wait another lap to pit which left him stuck behind Schumacher. Just to reiterate, Massa got the undercut, Alonso didn't. So much for Alonso's so called number 1 status. Yes, and mistakes...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:08 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
See my previous post. For you, that one driver ends up getting a better strategy every now and then than his teammate The examples given are not even all indicative of Massa ending up with the better strategy. Look at Australia 2013 - has been discussed before but apparently it's still used as some...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:07 am
- Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
- Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
- Replies: 764
- Views: 135541
Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma
In those races, Massa was ahead of Alonso on track but was not forced to yield his position. In the case of china 2011 and Korea 2011 he actually got strategy preference. If Massa was a clear number 2 ( as so many of you claim), surely they would always tell Massa to let Alonso through and always g...