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Laura23 wrote:Last time Alonso and De La Rosa were in the same team together it benefited Ferrari too...

Yes it sort of shows the hypocrisy of Ferrari in their idignation regarding spygate

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The problems is that if checo starts to perform well, Button would try to sabotage him and demoralise him with mind games. I expect a lot of fireworks between the two. Button already started it by boasting about leadership at McLaren or saying if he was driving his McLaren in the same way as Perez ...

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I don't think Red Bull would even think about stooping that low Red Bull blatantly take advantage of the car design rules. Ferrari blatantly take advantage of the racing rules. They cancel each other out in my book. One is as low as the other. (Here's the secret - every single team out there will s...

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We can attempt to answer this question with some empirical data. Alonso and Vettel have never been teammates, so we can't really directly compare them. However if we take their head-to-head statistics against previous teammates and derive a heirarchy of driver performance: Alonso? Probably not, bas...

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Depends how you define being beat, if you're just using WDC points and are handicapped in 50% of your races then quite a few drivers i would say

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We can attempt to answer this question with some empirical data. Alonso and Vettel have never been teammates, so we can't really directly compare them. However if we take their head-to-head statistics against previous teammates and derive a heirarchy of driver performance: Alonso? Probably not, bas...

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We can attempt to answer this question with some empirical data. Alonso and Vettel have never been teammates, so we can't really directly compare them. However if we take their head-to-head statistics against previous teammates and derive a heirarchy of driver performance: Alonso? Probably not, bas...

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Agreed he would have a heads up but how much time does it take the likes of topliners like Alonso and Hamilton to get up to speed, Massa was at Ferrari for over 3 years but Alonso had him beat from the get go, i just don't believe it takes drivers like these that much time to get on top of what the...

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I think yes as he will not be up against Hamilton. I think its a possibility that Heikki would still have been around for longer than he did had he had a team mate like button, no offence to button, Since Heikki had Hamilton who is frankly among the fastest drivers in the world he was outperformed ...

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I think yes as he will not be up against Hamilton. I think its a possibility that Heikki would still have been around for longer than he did had he had a team mate like button, no offence to button, Since Heikki had Hamilton who is frankly among the fastest drivers in the world he was outperformed ...

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I think he will do better in the races although Heikki is perhaps a better qualifier

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Which significant part of Raikkonen's car was alongside Alonso's in Suzuka? Raikkonen's front wing touched the back of Alonso's rear tyre; for example, if I am not mistaken the current overtaking rules state that in order to gain the position a car's front wing has to be level with the other car's ...

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Heikki needing more time to get use to the new parts than Hamilton is surely down to him, i know Hamilton had to make an adjustment to his driving to make some of the up grades work, McLaren weren't prepared to slow development down waiting for Heikki to catch up, this is what some feared might hav...

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i don't know how you saw Suzuka, but that was a racing incident that apparently you are chosing to put on Alonso's shoulders, not a squeeze. Look, when a driver is next to you with a significant part of the car, and you move his side resulting in the fact the driver has to go off-track or lift in o...

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Would it have entered their mind to pull the car and make setup changes? Of course it would. They are in sorry shape if that didnt occur to anyone there :lol: There are plenty of good reasons not to do it though, beginning with their data probably showing not significant advantage, or a lack of dat...

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Who knows. It's a bit like asking did Red bull ever think about giving webber agrid drop to help Seb. Even if it did think about it whether they would do it. Remember Whitmarsh making comments about their Sponsors not liking them flying so close to the wind on Regs? Can't remember his exact words b...

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M Nader asked how would JB and KR do against Vettel. Interesting one, because in some ways Jenson and Kimi are similar drivers, very sensitive to chassis balance and sometimes being too smooth to warm their tyres. I think Vettel would beat them both in same-cars. JB is not as fast as Lewis, and I d...

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M Nader asked how would JB and KR do against Vettel. Interesting one, because in some ways Jenson and Kimi are similar drivers, very sensitive to chassis balance and sometimes being too smooth to warm their tyres. I think Vettel would beat them both in same-cars. JB is not as fast as Lewis, and I d...

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You do realise that if Hulkenburg had not crashed Hamilton out of the race in Brazil he would have finished 3rd in the WDC? The 4 races you mention as casual run of the mill retirements/problems cost him 3 wins, the above incident maybe another win, then throw in another 2 races being crashed out b...

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No one would be able to beat Vettel in a Red Bull, the Red Bull is designed for Vettel, or rather Vettel has learned to drive the car to exploit the unusual characteristics of Adrian Newey's design philosophy. It would take Alonso and Hamilton, too long to catch up. This is the reason why Webber wa...

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No one would be able to beat Vettel in a Red Bull, the Red Bull is designed for Vettel, or rather Vettel has learned to drive the car to exploit the unusual characteristics of Adrian Newey's design philosophy. It would take Alonso and Hamilton, too long to catch up. This is the reason why Webber wa...

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You do realise that if Hulkenburg had not crashed Hamilton out of the race in Brazil he would have finished 3rd in the WDC? The 4 races you mention as casual run of the mill retirements/problems cost him 3 wins, the above incident maybe another win, then throw in another 2 races being crashed out b...

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No one would be able to beat Vettel in a Red Bull, the Red Bull is designed for Vettel, or rather Vettel has learned to drive the car to exploit the unusual characteristics of Adrian Newey's design philosophy. It would take Alonso and Hamilton, too long to catch up. This is the reason why Webber wa...

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Firstly - I left out the incidents for ALL of the drivers that involved crashing out, or a crash otherwise ruining a race, because everyone can just argue back and forth about who was at fault for each one of them. They all had times where they cocked up, and they all had incidents where they were ...

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Though i am not much of a hamilton fan, i don't think he made any mistakes this season barring maybe valencia and that too was about 70-30 maldonado's fault. But how exactly is hamilton a better driver now than in 2007 ? What exactly has he shown in his speed , racecraft etc that is so much of an i...

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The ones since his championship where he finished 4th or 5th. Oh wait, that's all of them. Team principals driver ratings. Hamilton was definitively rated as top 3 driver beyond 2007 & 2008 only exception 2011 (4th), where Hamilton had a off season due to personal problems The only team principal v...

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Some drivers have been able to overcome poor reliability, team mistakes, and weak car performance to still finish in the top 3. LOL. I don't know why you think that's so funny. Let's look at 2012. Lewis had a couple of mechanical failures, a couple of pit stop mistakes, and the team cocked up his f...

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Heikki needing more time to get use to the new parts than Hamilton is surely down to him, i know Hamilton had to make an adjustment to his driving to make some of the up grades work, McLaren weren't prepared to slow development down waiting for Heikki to catch up, this is what some feared might hav...

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I've read about the upgrades before, this being 2009 i believe when McLaren were playing catch up, there was only 1 or 2 races were their cars were different, one upgrade had to be delayed because it involved the drivers changing their driving techique to make it work which Heikki had more trouble ...

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He did beat Hamilton a fair bit in qualifying moreso than Button, but even fuel corrected Hamilton came out on top, the extra fuel that Heikki carried never accounted for the performance difference between the two of them come raceday, some drivers in fact would prefer to carry a little more fuel f...

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I've read about the upgrades before, this being 2009 i believe when McLaren were playing catch up, there was only 1 or 2 races were their cars were different, one upgrade had to be delayed because it involved the drivers changing their driving techique to make it work which Heikki had more trouble ...

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He did beat Hamilton a fair bit in qualifying moreso than Button, but even fuel corrected Hamilton came out on top, the extra fuel that Heikki carried never accounted for the performance difference between the two of them come raceday, some drivers in fact would prefer to carry a little more fuel f...

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He did beat Hamilton a fair bit in qualifying moreso than Button, but even fuel corrected Hamilton came out on top, the extra fuel that Heikki carried never accounted for the performance difference between the two of them come raceday, some drivers in fact would prefer to carry a little more fuel f...

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He was getting the poorer strategy in qualifying because in the races he was so poor, whenever he was in a good position after qualifying he would invariable fall away in the race, McLaren got rid of him simply because he wasn't good enough When you are starting off on heavier fuel than those aroun...

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Or that might have something to do with the car, i believe at one point the Bulls had a system of getting heat quickly into the tyres? Yip that was with the EBD. But then why can't Webber do the same ;) Even if the car is doing trick stuff you have to have the confidence to use it. Remember the fir...

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I think a better title would be 'could' rather than 'would', then i would answer Alonso and Hamilton, maybe even Kimi?

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I don't think any would. Maybe alonso playing the long game over a season by being more consistant. But given that any of them would quali close on the grid. One of Vettels main skills is those first few laps. Somewhere and some how he gets more confidence and a better feel for the car with the ful...

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If there would be only Red Bull in the grid Vettel would win even easier. That car is so damn slow at straight and fast in hands of driver that it suites it would be even easier to Vettel win everything. Don't get me wrong but Vettel is now quite impossible to win. Developement as a driver is huge ...

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PacificBeach wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Jarno Truli

Trulli didn't beat Alonso either

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PacificBeach wrote:Alonso was paired with two fast drivers in his career and lost both of the matchups. If he is paired with Vettel it will be 2007 dejavu...

Thats just semantics Alonso and Hamilton were quite well matched, which other driver do you refer to?

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