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Delphic

Whoever wins has earned it. If Max wins he would have beaten Hamilton square and fair, and vice versa. Sure, Max has shown that he still has to develop mental maturity in terms of racing, but that doesn't take away his accomplishment this season. 17 podiums with the worst being P2 is how you win cha...

Delphic

I don't think Max would beat Lewis over a season. Sure he will beat him in a fair few races but he isn't the complete package Lewis is. Yes I know he is a lot younger but he has been in F1 long enough now to learn. Maybe it will come in time and people remember him for his driving and not his on tr...

Delphic

I hope everyone remembers that Hamilton wasn't the complete driver when he first came into F1, remember China 2007... He had to learn to be honest, remember Australia 2009... He had to learn humility, remember the 2011 season... It took him many years to learn to drive 'only fast enough to win' and...

Delphic

I am really not buying that Max will try to crash into Hamilton. I don't think even incidents like Brazil or Jeddah will happen, because IMO Hamilton will not have that much of an advantage to make a pass - no engine advantage like Brazil, or RB wont screw up their strategy to give Merc the tire adv...

Delphic

Any ideas on which car this track is supposed to favour? First time I've actually bothered to look at the track map for the new layout I'm gonna go against the grain again (just like Jeddah where in qualy trim RB seemed to have the edge, against the popular opinion) and say that with the changes ma...

Delphic

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that Red Bull will be able to match Mercedes in any way around Abu Dhabi. There was not a shred of evidence of RB matching Merc in Jeddah by just looking at the track either. Max fans were jumping on about how the straights would be easy 1-2 for Mercs. St...

Delphic

Funny how there isn’t a single Lewis fan who objects to me giving Lewis bad luck points in Monza, Because there is no such thing as bad luck points, so at least I am not getting into bad luck/ good luck discussions. This is just made up by you to help you sleep better at night IF Max loses the cham...

Delphic

I voted Max. Hamilton's impressive fightback ends, as RB's package will have an edge over Merc.

Regardless, both have given us a season for the ages.

Delphic

Any ideas on which car this track is supposed to favour? First time I've actually bothered to look at the track map for the new layout Has Max or Hamilton won on tracks this year which has favored the other car more? By favor I mean, better package (car + tires) coming out of FP2. For sure they bot...

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FormulaFun wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:37 pm
Any ideas on which car this track is supposed to favour? First time I've actually bothered to look at the track map for the new layout

Has Max or Hamilton won on tracks this year which has favored the other car more? By favor I mean, better package (car + tires) coming out of FP2.

Delphic

In my opinion, Hamilton would thrash Max in RB16B. Maybe, Red Bull would go bankrupt with all the crashes Max would cause due to his refusal to be shown up ;) You are certainly entitled to your opinion but even as a Hamilton supporter, I reckon Verstappen would have the edge on one lap pace by abou...

Delphic

As someone who wants Hamilton to win, S3 worries me. Looks like a RB party fest. Also C3, C4, C5 is not helping. Is there a long straight before T1?

I just hope that LH makes up lot of time in S2. Seems like the spicy engine has gone bland. It did not look that powerful last weekend.

Delphic

That makes Hamilton’s life very easy and Verstappen’s life very difficult. It was the same story in Brazil, where Hamilton performed 20 highway overtakes, as none of his passes (apart from perhaps the one on Norris) took any real skill. Verstappen is in a very different situation. With a weaker eng...

Delphic

Max initially lost the race in qualifying. If he starts 1st then he has a car good enough to win the race as Mercedes was not much faster, it never had the speed advantage to overtake on the same tyre strategy. Red flag completely negated qualifying. Whatever happened in the second half of the race...

Delphic

The modifications made to the Abu Dhabi circuit should favour Mercedes who were already favourites so I can't see how Verstappen can win that one. I'm not convinced on this - still think that RB may well be competitive and, quite possibly, faster over one lap - with enough race pace to prevent Merc...

Delphic

Verstappen has lost 40 more points than Hamilton this season due to bad luck, Max lost all those points due to his stupid and flying rodent dropping crazy approach to driving. Okay, maybe not all, but most of it. Repeating a lie over and over again won’t make it true. Some Lewis fans have even trie...

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Jolyon Palmer's opinion and he is spot on, Lewis said the same thing. How do you race someone fairly who is just willing to crash at every oppurtunity? "From what I saw, Max is just happy to crash with Lewis and that is what every single flash-point was [this year], bar the brake testing which is s...

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KingVoid wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:15 pm
Verstappen has lost 40 more points than Hamilton this season due to bad luck,

Max lost all those points due to his stupid and flying rodent dropping crazy approach to driving. Okay, maybe not all, but most of it.

Delphic

I was wondering when the "hes been luckier than him" chat would come back into full force. You really can reasonably argue both sides in that kind of what if debate. Dont waste your time. I agree. It depends on what bias you have. Based on the arguments thrown around you can easily make the case fo...

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Alonso pitting for softs on lap 45. I still don't understand why that was. To take the FL away from Hamilton? Is he still bitter?

Delphic

Interesting that despite Max having by far his most successful season, he hasn't won himself any new fans. Not that he will lose any sleep over that! This forum is largely English speakers, so statistically more likely to be Hamilton supporters, or Hamilton leaning. It's also an older demographic, ...

Delphic

LH finished 2016 with 4 wins in a row with his back against the wall. Ironically, I was rooting for Nico that year, and was nervous after LH pulled off those 3 wins. But in the end Nico did enough to win the championship. I feel Max is in the same spot. Lewis has made an amazing comeback. But I alwa...

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Lewis, win or lose I'm forever impressed and any doubts I ever had about his career has been squashed. Couldn't agree more. He may have had some smooth sailings in the past, but this season has showed what a complete driver he actually is. A legend. The fact that he is doing this in the tail end of...

Delphic

I was just thinking. Without looking into all the detail and just off the top of my head - this year did either Max or Lewis win on tracks that has favored the other package more? By package I mean car setup + tires.

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tootsie323 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:13 pm
It's possible that Hamilton may have marginally better race pace though.

I hope that Lewis has enough race pace to win, but I am doubtful. Early analysis shows the track is still rear limited even with the layout changes, favoring Red Bull.

Delphic

It says a lot about Verstappen as a racer that there is so much discussion post Saudi of how Hamilton can survive being taken out by him. I think it speaks volumes of the obvious and ridiculous British bias this sport and forum has... Nothing more Incorrect. I am not British and I think Max is crazy.

Delphic

I voted No. I think Red Bull will collect themselves and get pole on Sat. Have this weird feeling that the race will be pretty anti-climactic. Everyone expecting fireworks but ends up being a pole to chequered win.

Delphic

When the season started I wanted Ricciardo to win :) But pretty soon reality dawned and I started rooting for Hamilton, only because I want him to win his 8th title. I do however want him to retire after this season IF he wins his 8th, for the new blood to battle it out. So, still rooting for Hamilt...

Delphic

I went with Max and Merc. Hamilton has done well to tie the WDC but I think the run ends next weekend. Max will get pole and win the race. I believe the AD track will suit Red Bull. Even in Jeddah he was all set to get the pole. I don't think Hamilton would have won yesterday if Max had the pole and...

Delphic

Lost in all of Max's shenanigans is Hamilton's race. He was on the backfoot for most of the race. Lost his pit stop advantage, dodged couple of Max's "yield or crash" moves, overcame VSCs, the collision, and still came out P1. Max has been more consistent in terms of performance, but Hamilton has sh...

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But the weirdest driving for me of the Jeddah race was Hamilton driving into the back of Verstappen. It just didn't make sense. The biggest bonehead moment of the year. Of course it makes sense. He's slowing behind Verstappen, Verstappen, as proven by the data, slams on his brakes totally unnecessa...

Delphic

To be honest, I am an even bigger fan of Verstappen now than I was before this race. He is so unbelievably hungry to win this title, it's incredible. He's willing to do basically anything to make it happen. I love this attitude and I hope he turns the aggression up even more in Abu Dhabi. As for Ha...

Delphic

Yes, that's what Max was doing initially, but Lewis didn't want to overtake him (for some strange reason he would rather drive slowly behind him instead of just overtaking him). That is why Max slowed down even harder. Never said brake-testing was acceptable, I didn't even mention it. I was talking...

Delphic

To be honest, I am an even bigger fan of Verstappen now than I was before this race. He is so unbelievably hungry to win this title, it's incredible. He's willing to do basically anything to make it happen. I love this attitude and I hope he turns the aggression up even more in Abu Dhabi. As for Ha...

Delphic

I am not surprised by the decision. Completely expected. They were not going to influence the final race in any case. They just decided to take the politically correct way. Happens in every sport. If this was in the middle of the season, then maybe a grid drop. What is amusing is the amount of suppo...

Delphic

By the way, why is Hamilton summoned?

Delphic

What doesn’t help Max is that as soon as there was contact he sped up to full speed. Like I’ve done my job now I’m off. Just confirmed the dirty move he made. Lewis is clearly weary off Max so can you blame him for being cautious when he slows down like. He’ll get away with it and they’ll be a cras...

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What doesn’t help Max is that as soon as there was contact he sped up to full speed. Like I’ve done my job now I’m off. Just confirmed the dirty move he made. Lewis is clearly weary off Max so can you blame him for being cautious when he slows down like. He’ll get away with it and they’ll be a cras...

Delphic

SlipstreamF1 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:41 pm
but the prospects of a RB championship, after all these incidents over this year, doesn't quite fit the cinderella story narrative anymore.

I agree. Well put. Theres winning fairly, and there's winning by indulging in unsportsmanlike conducts.

Delphic

Horner is embarassing This is why its a lost cause with Red Bull and Max. The pampering that you are the next Senna + Schumacher + Hamilton combined, can do nothing wrong, is so great that its unbelievable. Even Max, after winning the DOTD, said that at least the fans have a clear mind about racing...

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