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It's perfectly understandable that people dislike Vettel. He took F1 by storm when there were already 3 top drivers with a very large fan-base. Admiration for him quickly turned into dislike because they're jealous he has the car "their" driver deserves. But ultimately, regardless of if he deserves...

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I think Alonso is afraid of Kimi and has therefore set his media dogs lose to make sure Kimi doesn't get the seat next to him in Ferrari Yes, the almighty Fernando Alonso: not only he manipulates at his whim one of the largest international banks, he also dominates the BBC and other mass media... :...

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:Even Alonso doesn't think Alonso is as fast as Andrew Benson does.

Somebody, anybody, make him a mod

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Yes - but I wonder why Mark dislikes Seb so much? There is likely to be a reason. The favouritism in public is obvious so it begs the question, what is it like behind the scenes? Webber's comments on the podium in Malaysia suggest Vettel is very much protected against criticism within the team, so ...

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First of all - the playing field is LEVEL. Others (drivers and teams) are incompetent to use that field. You can't honestly believe that. Money can buy success more easily in F1 than any other sport. It won't be truely level unless they find a way to cap spending so it's affordable for all teams. H...

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Ugh, what a lame thread. Don't get me wrong, he's a bloody good driver. It's his attitude and behaviour that sets it off for most people. He shows childish behaviour every god damn race, even his race engineer has to tell him to take a deep breath and show no arm waving, because that's what they ex...

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Yeah McLaren are only offering him a 1 year deal at the moment, Button wants at least 2. I get the feeling McLaren are sticking to their guns on this, which makes me wonder what the bigger picture is. Why do they want the option of an empty seat for 2015? They must know they don't have a hope of si...

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And with the 1992 williams, even Riccardo Patrese would've won not 4 but 10 straight WDC's. Right.... Patrese did drive the 1992 Williams and he could NOT win the WDC and ended up with half points of his teammate. I remember reading elsewhere how the team reminded Patrese that Mansell was the "Hero...

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Well we saw Vettel struggle in china 2012 for example. And that was when the red bulls rear end was not planted. Webber got to grips with the car much better. That could just have been getting to grips with setting up the car for all we know. No offense but I think Bourdais' assessment is probably ...

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Not sure why people think he wont have the same chances. After all - RBR are the only team to issue team orders for their so called #2 driver. Its not like teh situation with Massa , Rosberg & Ro Gro where they have to yeild to their contractual #1s even when they are in the hunt for a title. As fa...

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I don't think a lot will be convinced of equal opportunity unless: - RBR make Vettel drive with one or both of his hands tied behind his back - RBR give Vettel inferior equipment and not just compared to his teammate, but compared to the likes of Caterham and Marussia I'm sure one could think of som...

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I have always questioned how thoughtful posters are here... threads like this make you hold your head in disgust/ shame...

I wish them both luck so they work it out than bury it...

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You can't with any seriousness quote Mark's season in 2013 when Red Bull have failed to attach his wheel twice as a reflective points tally. I'm referring to the length of the partnership. 4 years versus 11 races??? Surely, you're not exactly setting grounds for a great comparison if it escaped you...

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Even over 11 races this season so far: Webber is 82 points behind Vettel Rosberg is 43 points behind Hamilton You can't with any seriousness quote Mark's season in 2013 when Red Bull have failed to attach his wheel twice as a reflective points tally. I'm referring to the length of the partnership. ...

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Well, we'll find out next year i guess... it is too soon to make any comparisons as yet, imo that is. Thats my point, its not. Because Rosberg is already looking a shadow of Lewis. Again, go back to 2009 and see how it ended between Vettel and Webber... Does it matter how it ended? There is a diffe...

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infi24r wrote:
garagetinkerer wrote: Well, we'll find out next year i guess... it is too soon to make any comparisons as yet, imo that is.
Thats my point, its not. Because Rosberg is already looking a shadow of Lewis.

Again, go back to 2009 and see how it ended between Vettel and Webber...

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Even over 11 races this season so far: Webber is 82 points behind Vettel Rosberg is 43 points behind Hamilton You can't with any seriousness quote Mark's season in 2013 when Red Bull have failed to attach his wheel twice as a reflective points tally. I'm referring to the length of the partnership. ...

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Even over 11 races this season so far: Webber is 82 points behind Vettel Rosberg is 43 points behind Hamilton You can't with any seriousness quote Mark's season in 2013 when Red Bull have failed to attach his wheel twice as a reflective points tally. I'm referring to the length of the partnership. ...

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I'm surprised FA looked so disappointed. After Hungary, the title already seemed like a long shot, and we've seen in the past that Ferrari have never brought an update which shoots them straight to the top the same way RBR did at Japan last year. I'm also surprised that Hamilton was so cheerful. Af...

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Alonso will beat Vettel in an equal car.... possibly, but that is all that is, a possibility. It is also quite possible that Vettel may just get the better of him... What i do know is this, and i do like to dwell in facts, they're both immensely talented. The only place where i see Vettel having an ...

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Seanie wrote:
tmzxaar wrote:And no, just get over it. Jenson can't win a title with guys like Alo, Ham, Rai and Vet in the field.
But he already has done so, 'get over it'

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Webber and Vettel... 4 seasons...

Rosberg and Hamilton... 11 races!

Even over 11 races this season so far:
Webber is 82 points behind Vettel
Rosberg is 43 points behind Hamilton

Not sure if OP is serious, or some serious rick-rolling is happening here...

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Horner at least admits its deliberate now. The proof was already there in 2011. http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/8893115/Red-Bull-vow-to-sort-out-Webber-woes At the beggining of the 2011 season they changed his clutch to a new faulty clutch which he horner admitted eventually. By Japan when Seb...

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Yes it was but it just shows how much say that Alonso thinks he can have in a team, and a new team to him too boot, i'm not sure how much the Hamilton's would have known about this at the time, but perhaps not a great way to start a relationship if they did. I agree he would have been champion in 2...

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Yes i heard the Montoya thing, i thought things kicked off before then at Monaco? Yes! Hamilton reportedly took an exception to orders of holding station, which was standard practice in the team, but even after it they were still alternating strategies, and still were sharing telemetry. I wouldn't ...

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Well the thread has not strayed on my part, i don't question whether Vettel is as good as Hamilton or Alonso i just question claims that he is better. You put it out there that Hamilton lucked into a top car whilst Vettel earnt his drive in a top car because of his performances in lower ranked F1 c...

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Now onto Honda who i really like as a firm. I really have to thank the FIA for this change of rules and regulations which did its job and allowed manufacturers to gain interest in F1 back again (now i only have to wait for Porsche and Alfa Romeo). they are in turn very, very clever. Why on Earth wo...

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Vivi wrote:This thread would have been better if it was just dedicated to good saves, but seriously I would kill for those reaction times, someone could throw something straight at my face and it would still take me 3 seconds to randomly flail my hand in the air.

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The thread is not about wether Vettel is a great driver but the best driver in F1. But it has strayed to what he has to do to prove himself on the same level as Alonso and Hamilton. Drivers don't always move up in driver series Bianchi for instance went from GP2 to FR 3.5. Whatever man. Like I said...

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I don't understand. Is the suggestion that these are NOT unforeseen failures? Or is it that somehow a team as good as RBR can't be bothered to fix something on one car but it's perfectly healthy on the other? I thought the clutch mechanism was pretty much automated so why all this fannying around a...

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InSink wrote:
hd23 wrote:They should make Seb drive Mark's car for a weekend.
Why ? He'd only embarrass Mark all the more.

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McPrancingBull wrote:
hd23 wrote:That means 3 more years of moaning about no grip and understeer. :p
.........
Time to go back under your bridge I think ...

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...Like i said Vettel was fast tracked into F1 in comparison to Hamilton, Hamilton had to acheive results moreso than Vettel and i don't see how Vettel earnt the right to a top drive in F1 at the age of 22 more than what Hamilton did. ... I agree that neither LH or SV "earned" a top drive more than...

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The thread is not about wether Vettel is a great driver but the best driver in F1. But it has strayed to what he has to do to prove himself on the same level as Alonso and Hamilton. Drivers don't always move up in driver series Bianchi for instance went from GP2 to FR 3.5. Whatever man. Like I said...

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Because the actual racing was superb? Anyone can be involved in racing incidents. It's not because you are involved in one that you can't show your skills at the very same race. Spa 2012 is a better example of Vettel racing cleanly through the pack. He overtook cars cleanly on track and didn't get ...

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Schumacher did in 1995. Why? To challenge himself, and try to accomplish something new and amazing. He knew he could have stayed at Benetton and won at least another 2 titles but he had bigger ambition s. Vettel does not seem to be that kind of person at all and is just like a little kid interested...

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No he did not handle it because it was 1 year only and he did not do much other than win 1 race. That is not comparable to Hamilton or Alonso who have a long track record of challenging and winning titles without the best car. Huh? When did FA or LH win a title without the best car? FA hasn't had t...

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I saw a quick flash of something curious and then it struck me that the national anthems on the podiums were filmed in a bit of a strange way (alot of close ups). A bit of research and this is what happened... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e3_1377556857 The man dealing with the banner seemed cont...

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Good for Button. He has matured into a serious, respectful F1 driver who is consistent, gentle with the equipment; stays out of trouble, has decent qualifying pace and good race pace, a lot of experience, and it's a great overtaker. I couldn't agree more. This is good news. I was one of the many wh...

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Darren Heath has always been somewhat the Hamilton fan so his views, at least IMO, aren't impartial. He took a dislike to Alonso in 2007, many did, and he hasn't let his views on him from that season slide since. If Alonso doesn't want to communicate with his rivals, lest not forget they are his ri...

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