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I would disagree with that. Maybe by the end of the year averaged out - although I would say that's highly debatable - but at the beginning the Brawn was much, much quicker and by the end they had been overtaken by McLaren. At no point during the season was the RBR the best IMO. In any event, I was...

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Vettel is probably looking to switch this season knowing him. He does not seem like the loyal type. I can just imagine how unbelievable it must be for him to suddenly not have the best car after 5 years, and actually have to struggle like everyone else, I doubt he will be able to cope with such a r...

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er, if you are going to be sarcastic you should at least do a bit of research. He joined RBR at the end of 2008 (although he was part of the Red Bull stable long before that), when RBR finished 7th in the WCC and below Toro Rosso, where he was before! I think you would have needed a fairly hefty cr...

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He already did that once, at STR, and it gave him the RBR drive. He was gifted exactly zero wins and zero titles. Staying 4 years on top doesn't come without "hard work" and "trying to make the difference". He won 1 single race with STR. Good win but many other drivers have done the same and withou...

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retire and leave formula one forever other than that he should stick with red bull, considering what they have done for him he owes them some loyalty when times are very poor Exactly. Stay with them and bring them back to the top. I know its harder than simply joining them when they had the best ca...

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They chose Ricciardo, just to prove the Red Bull Driver Program, to please Marko. And do you think Marko will let anyone touch his golden boy? Wait so they put in Ricciardo to please Marko but then Ricciardo can't be successful next to Vettel because that wouldn't please Marko? That makes no sense ...

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I think one of the reasons why Webber really wanted to race against Alonso is to show he was not a second rate driver as Media painted him after being beaten by Vettel comfortably at RBR. Webber knows from the days of Benetton that Fernando is not miles better than him speed-wise. IMO, Webber figur...

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Vettel has flat out stated he would not abandon the team merely because they have a poor 2014 season. So your statement that Vettel would leave (when, not if) would appear to have no merit. I didn't say Lewis abandoned his team. Alonso abandoned Macca when the going got tough. We are talking about ...

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From a sheer technique point Raikkonen is probably superior to Alonso. Infact technically you could argue Alonso is not correct, hence whilst you often won't hear many driving style analysis featuring Alonso as the fastest driver. Going by the stop watch Alonso's speed probably doesn't get the cred...

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This is great news. Hopefully Redbull struggle for an eternity after their regulation loop hole dominance over the last 4 years. Hopefully we get to see what vettel can do without the best car, and if he can drag it into contention like Alonso and Lewis have done during their careers. If Redbull ar...

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This is great news. Hopefully Redbull struggle for an eternity after their regulation loop hole dominance over the last 4 years. Hopefully we get to see what vettel can do without the best car, and if he can drag it into contention like Alonso and Lewis have done during their careers. If Redbull ar...

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This is great news. Hopefully Redbull struggle for an eternity after their regulation loop hole dominance over the last 4 years. Hopefully we get to see what vettel can do without the best car, and if he can drag it into contention like Alonso and Lewis have done during their careers. If Redbull are...

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Seriously are you asking how did Alonso throw it away in '07? After all those mistakes he made in that season? He threw it away without doubt. A couple of examples being binning it in Fuji and driving terribly at Canada Also it is funny how you let Alonso off in 2010 by saying it was the teams deci...

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The Ferrari is similar to say, Di Resta, for example. Where someone like Grosjean had a terrible first half and a much improved second, people remember the most recent half. Paul on the other hand had a stronger first half but a poor second half, and the idea that Paul had a poor season is more ing...

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1-Assuming you are talking about 2000 and not 1998 then I answer yes, by a slight margin. We both watched the 2000 season. I'm aware of Coulthard's performances. We have opposing conclusions. That is my opinion and some, including you, will disagree. No problem. If you think Mika was a match for Sc...

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You missed the point again. I admit that its understandable that a driver might star in lower formula and struggle in F1 because its harder. I asked you to explain the opposite which is a driver being mediocre in lower formula then apparently being a great F1 driver. Its never happened before from ...

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And in that case, what would that be any different than Alonso winning his two titles in the best equipment against a mediocre teammate too. . he never had an equipment advantage (well, at least he had it when he lost the WDC in 2007, no?) In both those years, besides winning two WDC-s, Renault als...

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Seriously are you asking how did Alonso throw it away in '07? After all those mistakes he made in that season? He threw it away without doubt. A couple of examples being binning it in Fuji and driving terribly at Canada Also it is funny how you let Alonso off in 2010 by saying it was the teams deci...

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Prema wrote:
And in that case, what would that be any different than Alonso winning his two titles in the best equipment against a mediocre teammate too. .

he never had an equipment advantage

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1. I watched all those seasons too and in my opinion Schumacher had the best car in 2000 and 2003 also. I know that others besides you disagree with this. It is just my opinion and I don't pretend it is anything else. I have decided not to back that up any further than you did and will agree to dis...

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The Ferrari was the best car at the beginning of the season, but Seb gained more points. A bit like '12 when the Ferrari was not the best car at the beginning of the season, but Alonso gained more points. Redbull dominated 2 of the first 4 races, how was Ferrari better and how is that comparable to...

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For those who doubt my car-ranking of the Ferrari as second-fastest car of 2013, what about taking another measure: average race finishing positions: Alonso/Ferrari 3.82 Webber/RBR 4.50 Raikkonen/Lotus-R 4.67 Rosberg/Mercedes 5. 25 Hamilton/Mercedes 5.47 Clearly the Ferrari was some way faster than...

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First, you ask how many drivers in the past have consistently had such dominant machinery for so long?[/b] Answer: Michael Schumacher in the 2000s. And according to POB, by a slightly bigger margin than Vettel, too. Of course Vettel has had it for a bigger part of his career, but he's younger than ...

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I prefer to look at what Vettel did when he raced with the same cars as his rivals, in F3 euro. He was mediocre, could barely get a single pole or win. I guess his talent suddenly appeared co coincidently at the same time he sat in a Newey chassis. Have you ever heard of Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns?...

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No comparison. Villenueve never won or even challenged for a race win once Newey left him, while Lewis has a been a strong force every year of his career in different teams and cars. JV was a good talent, while Hamilton is an exceptional one.

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Many think Vettel has had things easy since 2010, that his car was so much faster than the opposition. Using my car-rating stats I scored the gap between the WDC-winning car each season and the next-fastest car: From 1950 to 1959 the average advantage was 0.36%. This was from the 1950 Alfa Romeo 15...

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I said nothing about the relative capabilities of the cars but if you want to do that. Yes the Red Bull was the faster car that year, Newey even said it was better than the 2011 Red Bull, but it was also fragile. Vettel lost several points early in the season in 2010 and had a retirement from the l...

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Well yeah... Webber has always been considered a qualifying specialist, yet Vettel was less frequently beaten by Webber compared to Alonso being beaten by Massa. Just look at this year. Massa, not deemed good enough for Ferrari anymore, beats Alonso 8 times in Q. Webber, who would be in the RB10 ne...

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2010 is hard to call because all of the top contenders made mistakes throughout the season and the final race was a bit of a crap shoot. However had Vettel's engine not melted down in Korea it would have been a different story as he probably would have been ahead going into that race and who Alonso...

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I dont think its so easy to say that Alonso would have won in the Red Bull for the last 4 years, I certainly think he would have made harder work of it at times. We know the one place Alonso struggles somewhat is qualifying, something essential to winning in the RBR, look at the reliability differe...

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Journeyman is not correct. When one looks at Webber's last five races, when he set two poles and scored three seconds and a third, he had not lost his motivation or speed. Apart from having to face an exceptional driver in Vettel, Mark had Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Rosberg and Grosjean, all outs...

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A classic F1 journeyman. He accomplished far more than he deserved because of sitting in the best cars for almost half his career. barely any drivers in history have had that fortune . Here's 28 for a start. Montoya, Coulthard, Barrichello, Massa, Berger, Fangio, Vettel, Ascari, Senna, Prost, Clark...

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Pretty sure Luca has said it wouldn't be a good fit. Their eyes are on the 4-time champ. Hamilton will not fit into that arrangement. +1 They want Vettel Ferrari drivers have always been men, not immature kids who squeal embarrassingly every time they win, among other things. I don't want to see Ve...

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8O did you miss what happened at McLaren? What happened at Mclaren really though? He was simply responding to what Hamilton did at Hungary. If that had not happened or skygate did not exist, then nothing would have happened at Mclaren, so It really was an exceptional circumstance. Fact is Alonso is...

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Now, I think anyone will have to agree Alonso has shown far more disruptive behaviour in his career up until now than Vettel has (really only M21. oh and that minor incident when he crashed himself and his team mate out of a 1-2. Plus multi 21 is a huge deal where he openly defied the team. Alonso ...

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Personally, I would rate them about equal but if I was TP I would take Seb or both if I could. :thumbup: Both of them would be awesome but if I had to choose one I'd pick Vettel. Not only because I feel he is slightly ahead of Fernando currently, but also because of their age difference and for the...

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A classic F1 journeyman. He accomplished far more than he deserved because of sitting in the best cars for almost half his career. barely any drivers in history have had that fortune.

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Well, in 2011 Button achieved 12 podiums while Lewis in the same car only 6 podiums. You are making generalizations which are simply not true for 2010-2012. When the car easily fast enough for podiums, its easy. Anyone can get podiums. Button achieved double the amount of podiums of Lewis, that was...

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Well, in 2011 Button achieved 12 podiums while Lewis in the same car only 6 podiums. You are making generalizations which are simply not true for 2010-2012. When the car is easily fast enough for podiums, its easy. Anyone can get podiums. I am talking about situations like Spain 2012 when Lewis got...

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