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Migen

Japan

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Bottas
4. Raikkonen
5. Verstappen
6. Riccardo
7. Hulkenberg
8. Sainz
9. Ocon
10. Magnussen

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Russia

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Bottas
5. Verstappen
6. Riccardo
7. Hulkenberg
8. Sainz
9. Ocon
10. Magnussen

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Singapore

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Bottas
5. Verstappen
6. Riccardo
7. Hulkenberg
8. Sainz
9. Ocon
10. Magnussen

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Italy

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Bottas
5. Verstappen
6. Riccardo
7. Hulkenberg
8. Sainz
9. Ocon
10. Magnussen

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Migen wrote:SPA

1. Vettel 25
2. Hamilton 25
3. Raikkonen 0
4. Bottas 25
5. Verstappen 15
6. Riccardo 0
7. Hulkenberg 0
8. Sainz 0
9. Ocon 12
10. Magnussen 15

Total: 117 -15 points penalty for posting after the 2nd practice session = 102

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Done and dusted. After lap 1 it always was going to be tbh, no matter who was ahead , if anything I'm surprised the undercut was so strong, without Verstappen in the way that could have been close. Another safety car is the only way we maybe see a lead change now. Nope. The Ferrari is substantially...

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SPA

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Bottas
5. Verstappen
6. Riccardo
7. Hulkenberg
8. Sainz
9. Ocon
10. Magnussen

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From what I can see at no point was Vettel fully ahead. If you take the front end, probably he was or maybe he wasnt. As a bare minimum, Vettel still was more than substantially ahead to pick the trajectory he wanted, more so than (example): 1. A Hamilton's blocking move on Hulkemberg on a strait w...

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From what I can see at no point was Vettel fully ahead. If you take the front end, probably he was or maybe he wasnt. As a bare minimum, Vettel still was more than substantially ahead to pick the trajectory he wanted, more so than (example): 1. A Hamilton's blocking move on Hulkemberg on a strait w...

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My main problem with Vettel remains that he went off the racing line to cut off Bottas, which is why he has to take some of the blame. I don’t buy the narrative that Bottas wouldn’t have made the corner. He looked a bit out of control but only because he didn’t expect Vettel to take that line. His ...

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From what I can see at no point was Vettel fully ahead. If you take the front end, probably he was or maybe he wasnt. As a bare minimum, Vettel still was more than substantially ahead to pick the trajectory he wanted, more so than (example): 1. A Hamilton's blocking move on Hulkemberg on a strait w...

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First time I've heard that you have to leave room for a car that you have already passed. Can anyone point to that rule? Was he fully past? https://preview.ibb.co/k90ob8/Hun_gp_vettel_bottas.jpg This picture suggest that he was fully past. And that just before the breaking zone for that corner (you...

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For sure Vettel didnt have a good qualifying session. IMO, the telling factor that track was improving, was that most (if not all) the drivers improved by a considerable margin (6 tenths minimum according to the lap charts) on the 2nd try. I remember thinking at the time that whoever completes his ...

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ReservoirDog wrote:I noticed it too. Burning oil, maybe?

No wonder Kimi was deprived of drinking liquids in his car... that bottle was being used for the extra oil

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For sure Vettel didnt have a good qualifying session. IMO, the telling factor that track was improving, was that most (if not all) the drivers improved by a considerable margin (6 tenths minimum according to the lap charts) on the 2nd try. I remember thinking at the time that whoever completes his ...

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Sandman, in fairness Kimi didn't think that Ferrari was magically slow in the wet, however himself said amongst other things for Q3 that: "I was pleasantly surprised with how nice the car was on the wets, because that has definitely not been our strong point lately" So yes he could potentially have...

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Here come the excuses. Kimi Raikkonen didn't seem to think that the Ferrari was magically slow in the wet. He felt the pole was there for the taking but they just didn't execute in that final Q3 run. Vettel also said he didn't get a great lap at the end. I think Mercedes just did a better job on Sa...

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Here come the excuses. Kimi Raikkonen didn't seem to think that the Ferrari was magically slow in the wet. He felt the pole was there for the taking but they just didn't execute in that final Q3 run. Vettel also said he didn't get a great lap at the end. I think Mercedes just did a better job on Sa...

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To complete the pass he would have had to make the corner cleanly with the lead. He certainly COULD have done that had he left more room or had Bottas backed out but the fact is that he had not yet completed the pass. Does that rule applies to Vettel only and nobody else? Just saying cause I believ...

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You are judging the incident on what happen some 300 meters + before arriving to that corner (thats when Vettel was trying to make the pass). Practically (as shown on the image I posted above), Vettel had already completed the pass long before arriving into the corner where the incident occurred. T...

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Bottas wasn't passing, Bottas was defending. Defending what exactly? He had already lost the track position before even entering the breaking zone for that corner. He was a full car length behind as soon as they passed under the bridge and probably only made few centimeter of grounds relative to Ve...

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Yes, passes on the inside will keep occurring for different reasons: just outright faster car, or having fresher tires and better grip as result of that. But Bottas had neither of those 2 (Vettel had them, together with track position). Bottas wasn't passing, Bottas was defending. Defending what ex...

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That's not unusual though. How many times did we see Ricciardo on the inside of turn 1 taking the corner at a faster speed than the guy on the outside of him? And how many of those times did we see the driver on the outside being forced to take evasive actions in order not to hit Ricciardo? Didnt R...

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And if/when they do they are as equally wrong. I agree it's marginal and I don't blame Vettel more than Bottas but it would have been better driving from Vettel to leave a cars width which he could have easily done. I think the above will help you understand why, (IMO at least) Bottas was the only ...

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And if/when they do they are as equally wrong. I agree it's marginal and I don't blame Vettel more than Bottas but it would have been better driving from Vettel to leave a cars width which he could have easily done. I think the above will help you understand why, (IMO at least) Bottas was the only ...

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Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind on entering the breaking zone, or the turn in too today (will be hard to argue over +/- few centimeters). But the logic I responded to, implied that Vettel could have probably left a couple of ca...

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Vettel was under no obligation to leave space for Bottas, it was Vettel's corner all the way . It was for Bottas to make sure that he didnt end up hitting the car in front. If this was not the case (or if it is as you say), then surely Mercedes would have picked up on where they left 3 weeks ago ab...

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Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind on entering the breaking zone, or the turn in too today (will be hard to argue over +/- few centimeters). But the logic I responded to, implied that Vettel could have probably left a couple of ca...

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Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind on entering the breaking zone, or the turn in too today (will be hard to argue over +/- few centimeters). But the logic I responded to, implied that Vettel could have probably left a couple of ca...

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Bottas anticipated Vettel leaving a couple of car widths, Bottas would have made the corner then. Vettel would have also braked later if he was takng the wider line giving Bottas even more clearance. Bottas got caught out but it’s also an odd move from Vettel. A risky one. You can apply the same lo...

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You can apply the same logic to Vettel vs Bottas incident on the French GP 2018 (roles reversed in that case)... I just dont remember you (or anyone else) doing so in Vettel`s defense back than. Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind ...

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At the beginning of the braking zone Bottas was not level, he was over half a car length back also when Hamilton began to turn in Bottas car was not overlapping either by that point. It was only when Hamilton was nearly at the apex did Bottas car overlap. Bottas did not earn the right too room in t...

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Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind on entering the breaking zone, or the turn in too today (will be hard to argue over +/- few centimeters). But the logic I responded to, implied that Vettel could have probably left a couple of ca...

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You can apply the same logic to Vettel vs Bottas incident on the French GP 2018 (roles reversed in that case)... I just dont remember you (or anyone else) doing so in Vettel`s defense back than. Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind ...

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You can apply the same logic to Vettel vs Bottas incident on the French GP 2018 (roles reversed in that case)... I just dont remember you (or anyone else) doing so in Vettel`s defense back than. Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind ...

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You can apply the same logic to Vettel vs Bottas incident on the French GP 2018 (roles reversed in that case)... I just dont remember you (or anyone else) doing so in Vettel`s defense back than. Bottas left a space and Vettel was fully behind at turn in. ... as much as Bottas "looked" fully behind ...

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Thats not what images suggest... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFG0KEsscOU&t=3s If you pause this clip from Bottas-Hamilton incident at 38 seconds (nearer the end of that 38th second, just few frames before the contact occurred), you can clearly see that there wasnt even half-car width space left...

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Thats not what images suggest... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFG0KEsscOU&t=3s If you pause this clip from Bottas-Hamilton incident at 38 seconds (nearer the end of that 38th second, just few frames before the contact occurred), you can clearly see that there wasnt even half-car width space left...

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Eh the Bottas/Vettel ones a strange one. It's definitely a racing incident, but Vettel arguably didn't need to take that risk, on those tyres with how much he had forced Bottas to the inside he was pretty much guaranteed to come out of that ahead even if he had given Bottas a full cars width and th...

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Eh the Bottas/Vettel ones a strange one. It's definitely a racing incident, but Vettel arguably didn't need to take that risk, on those tyres with how much he had forced Bottas to the inside he was pretty much guaranteed to come out of that ahead even if he had given Bottas a full cars width and th...

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