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TheThirdTenor

What is a Kimi style car? Not the fastest, but making less mistakes like in '07... the year when Alonso clearly had the best car. He also did for most of '06, but one step at a time. No I mean what specific features of a car would make it a Kimi style car? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOhgI1hQA68...

TheThirdTenor

Wow, some Vettel fans are really paranoid. Coming from the same guy who went on the attack as soon as Raikkonen was announced at Ferrari and people started saying Alonso may actually face a challenge there now? Ok then. I'm sure Vettel's fans will console themselves with the fact he'll have 4 title...

TheThirdTenor

We don't know what Vettel could have done in those Ferraris. He may have done better than Alonso, he may have done worse. We simply do not know. Well given that Vettel only just won in a superior car, it's logical to think that Vettel wouldn't win in the inferior Ferrari. We also know that Vettel d...

TheThirdTenor

A car that misses the WDC by a couple of points clearly was good enough to win the title had Lady Luck shone slightly differently. All this nonsense about last year's Ferrari not being good enough for a title is bullshit. Ferrari designed a very good car last year that just missed out on the title....

TheThirdTenor

Alonso has never been beaten at Singapore. Erm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Singapore_Grand_Prix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Singapore_Grand_Prix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Singapore_Grand_Prix Not forgetting 2008 when Alonso only won because his team fixed for his team mate to...

TheThirdTenor

Alonso was the best driver in those seasons. Any other driver wouldn't have won the WDC in the same car. No you think no other driver could have won the WDC in those Ferraris. Thing is neither could Alonso at the end of the day. We simply don't know how a Vettel or a Hamilton could have done in a 2...

TheThirdTenor

But surely when you talk of the best car you should factor in reliability, nobody would question that at many races the McLaren was the fastest, but it was unreliable and unpredictable Unpredictable? That was for but a few races where they had to alter their car mid-season. Yes... even after factor...

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TheThirdTenor

Alonso was the best driver in those seasons. Any other driver wouldn't have won the WDC in the same car. No you think no other driver could have won the WDC in those Ferraris. Thing is neither could Alonso at the end of the day. We simply don't know how a Vettel or a Hamilton could have done in a 2...

TheThirdTenor

Alonso was the best driver in those seasons. Any other driver wouldn't have won the WDC in the same car. I think so but maybe not. I think what your saying is ridiculous. Your basically saying the Williams was not good enough to win the tittle in 86 the Mclaren in 00 etc. Depends how the drivers dr...

TheThirdTenor

garagetinkerer wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:What is a Kimi style car?
Not the fastest, but making less mistakes like in '07... the year when Alonso clearly had the best car. He also did for most of '06, but one step at a time.

No I mean what specific features of a car would make it a Kimi style car?

TheThirdTenor

What is a Kimi style car?

TheThirdTenor

Wow, some Vettel fans are really paranoid.

TheThirdTenor

Alonso was the best driver in those seasons. Any other driver wouldn't have won the WDC in the same car.

TheThirdTenor

that's a false assumption. You're basically saying that Alonso could not possibly have driven any better throughout the year. How do you know that? And even if that were so, which I doubt, what about Spa, when he got taken out by Grosjean's kamikaze move? You can't put that down to either Alonso or...

TheThirdTenor

The car was not good enough to win the title because it didn't and no what ifs can change that. Only car capable of winning the championship since 10 is the red bull. This is some strange logic. If Vettel's engine blew at Brazil Alonso & Ferrari would have won, would the Ferrari have then become th...

TheThirdTenor

Team principles voted Alonso the best driver in 10 and 12 (i.e they thought no other driver on the grid was better than him). The team principles know more about f1 than anyone on here. Therefore if you put anyone else in the Ferrari, they wouldn't have won the championship since logically those dr...

TheThirdTenor

Alonso has never been beaten at Singapore.

TheThirdTenor

As much as I like the guy that's a load of bs... So Massa has not been giving his 'best' and 'all out' attack since the start of the season?? Ferrari have shown that they will back their leading driver sooner than later, so I find it highly unlikely that Massa has not been giving it his best since ...

TheThirdTenor

There's too many what ifs in each race. Best to stick to what actually happened otherwise will start creating their own alternative version of the season. i fully agree that we don't need to analyse every single race, but the odd example is useful in order to demonstrate the potential performance o...

TheThirdTenor

Team principles voted Alonso the best driver in 10 and 12 (i.e they thought no other driver on the grid was better than him). The team principles know more about f1 than anyone on here. Therefore if you put anyone else in the Ferrari, they wouldn't have won the championship since logically those dri...

TheThirdTenor

The car was not good enough to win the title because it didn't and no what ifs can change that. Only car capable of winning the championship since 10 is the red bull. This is some strange logic. If Vettel's engine blew at Brazil Alonso & Ferrari would have won, would the Ferrari have then become th...

TheThirdTenor

We saw how Newey turned Mclaren around when he joined. Most of the paddock were shocked at Melbourne 98. Now look at Mclaren. No podiums this season. Do you remember any of last year? McLaren had by far the best/ fastest car... Newey was secretly working for them??? Best car and it came 3rd in the ...

TheThirdTenor

A car that misses the WDC by a couple of points clearly was good enough to win the title had Lady Luck shone slightly differently. All this nonsense about last year's Ferrari not being good enough for a title is bullshit. Ferrari designed a very good car last year that just missed out on the title....

TheThirdTenor

The car was not good enough to win the title because it didn't and no what ifs can change that.

Only car capable of winning the championship since 10 is the red bull.

TheThirdTenor

Brazil
- great start time for European fans
- circuit with good overtaking opportunities
- changeable weather makes it very dramatic e.g. 08 and 12 deciders.

TheThirdTenor

Designers who are not Newey can be easily replaced (see costa being Replaced by fry at Ferrari). However Newey can not be easily replaced. Look at how Williams fell off the map after he left. I remember Williams still fighting for wins and all till '04... Their problems were in multiples, and a des...

TheThirdTenor

We saw how Newey turned Mclaren around when he joined. Most of the paddock were shocked at Melbourne 98. Now look at Mclaren. No podiums this season. Do you remember any of last year? McLaren had by far the best/ fastest car... Newey was secretly working for them??? Best car and it came 3rd in the ...

TheThirdTenor

There's too many what ifs in each race. Best to stick to what actually happened otherwise will start creating their own alternative version of the season. i fully agree that we don't need to analyse every single race, but the odd example is useful in order to demonstrate the potential performance o...

TheThirdTenor

A car that misses the WDC by a couple of points clearly was good enough to win the title had Lady Luck shone slightly differently. All this nonsense about last year's Ferrari not being good enough for a title is bullshit. Ferrari designed a very good car last year that just missed out on the title....

TheThirdTenor

F1yer wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:
No designer has a record that matches up to his. Byrne is the closest but he is in a part time role these days and only won with 1 driver.

All right - Tell me one thing - Who would you value more Alonso or Newey?

No brainier - Newey.

TheThirdTenor

Designers who are not Newey can be easily replaced (see costa being Replaced by fry at Ferrari). However Newey can not be easily replaced. Look at how Williams fell off the map after he left. And look how Mclaren faltered afterward, they had a top car in 07/08/half of 09/10/11/12. Newey is an amazi...

TheThirdTenor

Luck or not, my point was the Ferrari can and does challenge for the title....... Less room for error? maybe, unlucky? maybe. The reasons they haven't won is debatable but my point was Ferrari shouldn't get criticised for building a car not good enough. Their car is good enough, its just not the ou...

TheThirdTenor

We saw how Newey turned Mclaren around when he joined. Most of the paddock were shocked at Melbourne 98.

Now look at Mclaren. No podiums this season.

TheThirdTenor

Luck or not, my point was the Ferrari can and does challenge for the title....... Less room for error? maybe, unlucky? maybe. The reasons they haven't won is debatable but my point was Ferrari shouldn't get criticised for building a car not good enough. Their car is good enough, its just not the ou...

TheThirdTenor

Luck or not, my point was the Ferrari can and does challenge for the title....... Less room for error? maybe, unlucky? maybe. The reasons they haven't won is debatable but my point was Ferrari shouldn't get criticised for building a car not good enough. Their car is good enough, its just not the ou...

TheThirdTenor

Designers who are not Newey can be easily replaced (see costa being
Replaced by fry at Ferrari). However Newey can not be easily replaced. Look at how Williams fell off the map after he left.

TheThirdTenor

Are you guys really questioning Newey talent in this thread? 8O That´s like questioning if Alonso/Hamilton/Vettel are any good drivers.... absurd!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: I dont think people like the thread being specific to Vettel & Newey, and consider it a "bash thread", reasonable considering s...

TheThirdTenor

Luck or not, my point was the Ferrari can and does challenge for the title....... Less room for error? maybe, unlucky? maybe. The reasons they haven't won is debatable but my point was Ferrari shouldn't get criticised for building a car not good enough. Their car is good enough, its just not the ou...

TheThirdTenor

Are you guys really questioning Newey talent in this thread? 8O That´s like questioning if Alonso/Hamilton/Vettel are any good drivers.... absurd!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: I dont think people like the thread being specific to Vettel & Newey, and consider it a "bash thread", reasonable considering s...

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