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I wouldn't say it like that, Ayrton had to deal with Alain Prost as his teammate in 88 and 89 so he had a tougher challenge not to mention Nigel Mansell in the Williams. While Vettel had to fight against Mark Webber in 2011 and Fernando Alonso in 10' and 12' but it's just my opinion.. ................

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so many differing opinions. i guess we only have the number of titles to truly judge them

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Astonishing patience from the mods! RE: Button vs Hamilton - Hamilton beat Button in 2010 and 2012 on points, Button beat Hamilton in 2011. And overall Button accrued more points over the 3 years. That's it. That's all there is - why does this have to become such a slagging match every time? If the...

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he still lost to button in 2011, and was outscored during their time together as teammates. facts are facts deal with it

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I wouldn't say it like that, Ayrton had to deal with Alain Prost as his teammate in 88 and 89 so he had a tougher challenge not to mention Nigel Mansell in the Williams. While Vettel had to fight against Mark Webber in 2011 and Fernando Alonso in 10' and 12' but it's just my opinion.. .................

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i agree

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Given the a fairly equal share of luck and reliability. I see only Alonso maybe edging him. It would be 50/50 I think he beats Vettel and Kimi ........... so button can beat him over a season and on points over 3 years yet you don't think vettel and kimi ( superior drivers ) can't? had alonso been ...

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button already has
vettel obviously
alonso would with equal treatment
kimi easily
hulk?
any others?

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none, vettel is the best driver in f1. you don't win 3 titles in a row at his age by luck. alonso has proved this season he is the second best driver though

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I think Hamilton, for the simple fact his presence seems to get under Alonso's skin in a competitive environment. Don't think Alonso would've kept his cool against his bogey opponent. That and Lewis flawless on track, Vettel not so much, so from that LEwis would've scored more points. I don't remem...

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I prefer Lewis and Alonso, and think they are better..
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you think slower drivers are better? hamilton had the fastest car in 2012 yet got beat by a red bull, a ferrari and a lotus

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hamilton or grosjean. crash kids of 2011 and 2012. has to be one of them

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Vettel cant handle a car that doesn't have a stable rear end. Just look at the beginning of last season Webber was out qualifying. As soon as Red Bull got the rear working Vettel then was quicker. Imo Vettel could not do what Alonso and Hamilton can in a bad car. ......... your right, years from no...

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i love these type or arguments, vettel has more titles, more poles, more wins and ended ahead of hamilton i the standings for years now yet the hamtards still try to convince everyone he is god. priceless even taking vettel and alonso out of the discussion, kimi beat ham in a lotus last year lol. an...

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i think people over praise senna, he wasnt as good as you make him out to be imo. put him in a car today and vettel would wipe the floor with him

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in Senna's day the championship team usually enjoyed a significant advantage over everyone else. ............ very good point, little mistakes are more likely to cost you these days, if you are 2 seconds a lap faster than other cars then you can make a lot of errors and still beat them, do that thes...

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If Vettel chose to go head to head with Hamilton in terms of speed, Vettel would lose. ................ rubbish. vettel is clearly the fastest guy in f1 imo. his poles record speak for itself. over the past 3 years hamilton has been beaten on pts by button, i doubt vettel would of lost to him Remem...

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vettel would of won the title in any of the top 3 cars imo I guess he would have pushed the McLarens over the line? no he would of simply got more out of it in the races where it wasnt as fast rather than whine and upload dtat on twitter like hamilton did 'whats the point in racing guys' i can reme...

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If Vettel chose to go head to head with Hamilton in terms of speed, Vettel would lose.

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rubbish. vettel is clearly the fastest guy in f1 imo. his poles record speak for itself. over the past 3 years hamilton has been beaten on pts by button, i doubt vettel would of lost to him

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vettel would of won the title in any of the top 3 cars imo

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Vettel is in a similar league with Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Mansell, Piquet, and all the other greats. While he has achieved a great deal thanks in part to a spectacular car and even better teamwork, the guy has flat out driven his donkey off to take titles and has been the overall best qualifier ...

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thankfully vettel beat everyone over the season and claimed his 3rd world title, as many as hamilton/alonso/massa and webber put together.

we are lucky to be able to witness one of the true all time greats in vettel.

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nah just need to steer it back on topic

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I'd say Alonso would have beaten Vettel in a straight fight in the same car be that the F2012 or the RB8. When it comes to getting a gritty drive out of a mis-performing car I think Alonso is stronger. He can get more out of a car than anyone else on the grid. Spot on I second that! yet massa found...

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I think you have to consider we saw the best of Vettel when the Red Bull was at its best, early in the season when the Bull was not so good Webber was close to him in performance and given the Bull was never as bad as the Ferrari i don't think it really stacks up that he would have done as well as ...

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Way to early to start declaring anyone as 'the best' or 'a great' when their career is still going. For all we know, 2013 onwards he could be pure crap. You cant start labeling drivers until their career is over IMO. yeah look at hamilton first 2 years, looked like he would dominate. but here we ar...

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i think he would of scored more points than alonso at ferrari. would be tight though. its been hard to sperate the best 2 drivers in f1 recently with title fights going down to last race 2 of the past 3 seasons. i hope these 2 drivers can battle it out for years to come still. alonso v vettel can ec...

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getting a bit off topic now?

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I wouldn't say it like that, Ayrton had to deal with Alain Prost as his teammate in 88 and 89 so he had a tougher challenge not to mention Nigel Mansell in the Williams. While Vettel had to fight against Mark Webber in 2011 and Fernando Alonso in 10' and 12' but it's just my opinion.. Why do you sa...

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I wouldn't say it like that, Ayrton had to deal with Alain Prost as his teammate in 88 and 89 so he had a tougher challenge not to mention Nigel Mansell in the Williams. While Vettel had to fight against Mark Webber in 2011 and Fernando Alonso in 10' and 12' but it's just my opinion.. but did senna...

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Isn't judging Hamtilon solely on 2011 not an act of selective memory in itself?

tbf hamilton has always been a bit reckless. 2012 was his least reckless year sure but it wasnt just 2011, for on and off track issues

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It is quite funny how you want to forget anything negative about this lad, but were harping on negatives of the other one in a blue+red dress. Also, it is not at all about dwelling on flaws of one man (as you said now, who doesn't and i've got a fair share of my own ), but just that i was trying to ...

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yes i know its old but it is even more relevent he has equalled senna for titles

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88396

by someone who knows what they are talking about.

and to think vettel is still so young. he will go down as the greatest ever imo

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I didn't see any evidence that Lewis felt misled. More like "damn, we made the wrong choice, here look" and "I'm showing you because I want you to know my car was not up to the job, I wasn't just slow". No point with wasting time on this one... He/ she clearly doesn't reason for whatever it may be ...

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alonso and kimi

however if vettel were in that ferrari he would of won the title anyway

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2007-probably the biggest ever choke in any season 2008-Won the title with equal best car and massively favoured by his team Nothing more needs to be said. 2009-showed he is noything without a decent car 2010-fast car failed again 2011-worst season by any top driver in history 2012-Should have won t...

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