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by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:22 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Yes, high confidence because in his view he probably was second-best after Verstappen. But I wasn't expecting great things from him, because it was already clear he wasn't amongst the very best. Switching teams a few times in short succession probably didn't help matters. He was less than 2 tenths ...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Why would I be interested in what benefits Verstappen when I would have the same view if he wasn't in Formula One today? Yes, I would like drivers to go for the proverbial kill, in particular amongst teammates. This harmony that the McLaren driers are portraying is not for me. But each to his or he...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

I don't think Verstappen is specifically looking for #1 status. As long the teams is principally focused on delivering a car that enables him to compete on equal footing to the competition. Sure, Jos Verstappen might be very vocal in the press, but I don't think it means much. He's clearly going to...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

Yes, you need to know how operations work. So you get experienced hands in those areas. Like the Jonathan Wheatley's of this world and their respective underlings. And of course you get the best car designers and engineers you can get your hands on, which simply takes a load of cash. Why on earth w...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:55 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

I don't think Verstappen is specifically looking for #1 status. As long the teams is principally focused on delivering a car that enables him to compete on equal footing to the competition. Sure, Jos Verstappen might be very vocal in the press, but I don't think it means much. He's clearly going to...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:49 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

I don't think Verstappen is specifically looking for #1 status. As long the teams is principally focused on delivering a car that enables him to compete on equal footing to the competition. Sure, Jos Verstappen might be very vocal in the press, but I don't think it means much. He's clearly going to...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

Once Verstappen makes his move or announcement is made (come summer break), all the attention will shift to Russell. Red Bull seems likely but Aston Martin can't be completely ruled out. Also if Verstappen has agreed to Wolff's offer, will he be joining with the same conditions of being the no. 1 d...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Junior Series
Replies: 539
Views: 54048

Re: 2025 Junior Series

F2 Silverstone Qualifying 01. Victor Martins (ART Grand Prix) 1:39.731 02. Alex Dunne (Rodin Motorsport) 1:39.796 03. Jak Crawford (DAMS Lucas Oil) 1:39.971 04. Roman Stanek (Invicta Racing) 1:40.065 05. Sebastian Montoya (PREMA Racing) 1:40.138 06. Joshua Dürksen (AIX Racing) 1:40.169 07. Richard V...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 04, 2025 1:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Junior Series
Replies: 539
Views: 54048

Re: 2025 Junior Series

F3 Silverstone Qualifying 01. Nikola Tsolov (Campos Racing) 1:45.043 02. Ugo Ugochukwu (PREMA Racing) 1:45.066 03. Rafael Câmara (TRIDENT) 1:45.176 04. Mari Boya (Campos Racing) 1:45.351 05. Tim Tramnitz (MP Motorsport) 1:45.472 06. Charlie Wurz (TRIDENT) 1:45.480 07. Martinus Stenshorne (Hitech TGR...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 9:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Junior Series
Replies: 539
Views: 54048

Re: 2025 Junior Series

F2 Feature Race 01. Richard Verschoor (MP Motorsport) 1:18.501 02. Leonardo Fornaroli (Invicta Racing) 1:18.759 03. Jak Crawford (DAMS Lucas Oil) 1:19.048 04. Sebastian Montoya (PREMA Racing) 1:18.160 05. Luke Browning (Hitech TGR) 1:18.600 06. Josep Martí (Campos Racing) 1:18.837 07. Victor Martins...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 9:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Junior Series
Replies: 539
Views: 54048

Re: 2025 Junior Series

Austria F2 Qualifying 01. Leonardo Fornaroli (Invicta Racing) 1:15.229 02. Victor Martins (ART Grand Prix) 1:15.243 03. Richard Verschoor (MP Motorsport) 1:15.253 04. Gabrieli Minì (PREMA Racing) 1:15.400 05. Amaury Cordeel (Rodin Motorsport) 1:15.417 06. Roman Stanek (Invicta Racing) 1:15.431 07. A...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 8:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Junior Series
Replies: 539
Views: 54048

Re: 2025 Junior Series

F3 Feature Race 01. Martinus Stenshorne (Hitech TGR) 1:23.185 02. Tim Tramnitz (MP Motorsport) 1:23.214 03. Mari Boya (Campos Racing) 1:22.963 04. Ugo Ugochukwu (PREMA Racing) 1:23.389 05. Rafael Câmara (TRIDENT) 1:22.975 06. Charlie Wurz (TRIDENT) 1:23.482 07. Noah Strømsted (TRIDENT) 1:23.230 08. ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 8:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Junior Series
Replies: 539
Views: 54048

Re: 2025 Junior Series

F3 Austria Qualifying 01. Nikola Tsolov (Campos Racing) 1:20.743 02. Brad Benavides (AIX Racing) 1:20.919 03. Noah Strømsted (TRIDENT) 1:20.921 04. Bruno Del Pino (MP Motorsport) 1:20.937 05. Tasanapol Inthraphuvasak (Campos Racing) 1:20.965 06. Callum Voisin (Rodin Motorsport) 1:21.001 07. Rafael C...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 7:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Games
Topic: 2025 Pick 10 Competition
Replies: 312
Views: 66549

Re: 2025 Pick 10 Competition

Silverstone

01. Norris
02. Piastri
03. Verstappen
04. Russell
05. Leclerc
06. Hamilton
07. Antonelli
08. Albon
09. Sainz
10. Alonso
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Because Hülkenberg and Ocon are solid midfielders and Ricciardo's confidence was still high after leaving Red Bull. Perhaps me not expecting great things from Ricciardo makes me an outlier. If Ricciardo was trouncing them, that would be different. Contrary to your thinking I don't think Norris has ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Of course I can see a lot of people being tired of the Max Verstappen show. That is bound to happen with dominance. When it comes to one team with two drivers fighting it out for the title, that really only works when we have two drivers going at it with hammers and tongs and preferably when we hav...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

I am not discrediting anything. But beating Ocon and Hülkenberg is already a step away from tracking Verstappen in his final season at Red Bull. And that was all Ricciardo was doing in his final season there. So it is very plausible that Ricciardo suffered from a number of issues during his time at...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

... Literally nobody on his forum, and barely any in the media is talking about a intrateam WDC "battle" with two drivers separated by 15 points. Why is that? Why are you not talking about it if it's as interesting as you claim it to be? Or rather not as dull as the posters you clap back at are cla...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:44 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Let's get a bit of perspective here. Is anyone arguing that Norris is driving any better than last season? He is making more mistakes than ever, and it is clear he has great difficulty dealing with the pressure of expectations. I think quite a few, perhaps you included, have argued that Norris stil...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Did I really write top 5? Silly me! Back on topic, sure Norris beat Ricciardo fair and square. Nobody really knows why Ricciardo went into a steady decline after leaving Red Bull, but even back at Red Bull and Racing Bulls he looked the worse of the lot. You know, those other drivers that Verstappe...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

You said above: "Piastri has clearly improved but for your argument you prefer the notion that Norris has fallen back to Piastri." I think the gap has closed because Piastri has improved in qualifying, Norris has bottled qualifying on a number of occasions, and the McLaren car is so dominant that i...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

Once Verstappen makes his move or announcement is made (come summer break), all the attention will shift to Russell. Red Bull seems likely but Aston Martin can't be completely ruled out. Also if Verstappen has agreed to Wolff's offer, will he be joining with the same conditions of being the no. 1 d...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 1:58 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

Once Verstappen makes his move or announcement is made (come summer break), all the attention will shift to Russell. Red Bull seems likely but Aston Martin can't be completely ruled out. Also if Verstappen has agreed to Wolff's offer, will he be joining with the same conditions of being the no. 1 d...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 1:41 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2025 Canadian Grand Prix
Replies: 125
Views: 7638

Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2025 Canadian Grand Prix

Only saw this post after I replied. Indeed second time. Well, under these "new rules" Red Bull would have one protest left. Seems about right. https://www.fia.com/system/files/decision-document/2025_miami_grand_prix_-_decision_-_red_bull_-_protest_against_car_63.pdf For a moment I thought that FIA ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 1:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

How much of that is due to the car being pretty much impervious to thermal degradation? It's a lot easier to have good race pace when your tires hold on much better than everybody around you, and when you start from pole quite often (and your teammate messes up Q3 as Norris did several times early ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 1:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

The only criticism I have of this year's WDC is that up until now..... its all been a bit too nice. That lack of needle does detract a bit as a neutral watching. Its all been a bit third place playoff in terms of excitement. Im not sure there ever will be needle. Oscar is horizontal laid back, and ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

... Literally nobody on his forum, and barely any in the media is talking about a intrateam WDC "battle" with two drivers separated by 15 points. Why is that? Why are you not talking about it if it's as interesting as you claim it to be? Or rather not as dull as the posters you clap back at are cla...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

I think for Leclerc the case is pretty clear. Then indeed the question becomes whether Norris and Piastri are better and faster drivers than Russell. And I don't think they are. I think both have been flattered by the car. Quite honestly quite a lot of people did question Norris' standing in the sp...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:44 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Because either of them would be an unworthy champion in my view. How many times did we see a driver become WDC over the past 30 plus years who was not amongst the best 3 in the sport? The only examples I can think of are Mansell in 1992, Räikkönen in 2008, and Button in 2009. Even with Räikkönen on...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:25 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

... Literally nobody on his forum, and barely any in the media is talking about a intrateam WDC "battle" with two drivers separated by 15 points. Why is that? Why are you not talking about it if it's as interesting as you claim it to be? Or rather not as dull as the posters you clap back at are cla...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Let's get a bit of perspective here. Is anyone arguing that Norris is driving any better than last season? He is making more mistakes than ever, and it is clear he has great difficulty dealing with the pressure of expectations. I think quite a few, perhaps you included, have argued that Norris stil...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 03, 2025 11:10 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Have you not commented on how Norris has "bottled it" in qualifying several times this year? Piastri has had his share of mistakes too, and by far the costliest one (his poor attempt at rejoining in the rain in Australia), even more so than Lando's DNF if Canada. I'm not going to say anybody is an ...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 2:24 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

I think for Leclerc the case is pretty clear. Then indeed the question becomes whether Norris and Piastri are better and faster drivers than Russell. And I don't think they are. I think both have been flattered by the car. Quite honestly quite a lot of people did question Norris' standing in the sp...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 2:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Why would it be all about Verstappen for me? I think you are honestly projecting here. I wouldn't be following a sport closely for 45 years if it was all about the one driver. At the point that Verstappen's title hopes look to be over we suddenly talk about either Norris or Piastri being unworthy c...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 2:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Because either of them would be an unworthy champion in my view. How many times did we see a driver become WDC over the past 30 plus years who was not amongst the best 3 in the sport? The only examples I can think of are Mansell in 1992, Räikkönen in 2008, and Button in 2009. Even with Räikkönen on...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 1:58 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 217
Views: 4921

Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

Why would it be all about Verstappen for me? I think you are honestly projecting here. I wouldn't be following a sport closely for 45 years if it was all about the one driver. At the point that Verstappen's title hopes look to be over we suddenly talk about either Norris or Piastri being unworthy c...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 1:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2025 Austrian Grand Prix
Replies: 21
Views: 854

Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2025 Austrian Grand Prix

Ferrari were on the podium anyway. The only thing that could have changed was the order the Ferrari drivers were in. Which would have been unfair to Leclerc and of course something I would look to criticise Mercedes for doing sometimes for the benefit of Russell against Hamilton. Sounds like George...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 1:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Driver(s) of the day - 2025 Canadian Grand Prix
Replies: 125
Views: 7638

Re: Driver(s) of the day - 2025 Canadian Grand Prix

I think they also protested Russell not slowing enough under yellow flags/VSC in Miami, IIRC. Yes that went to the stewards after the race. It looks like they have done it twice this year. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/motorsports/f1-2025-fia-told-to-take-a-look-at-rules-after-embarrassing-red-bu...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 1:26 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

A nice addition to the rumour mill ... According to Sky Sport Italy, Verstappen has already “said yes” to Toto Wolff and is “close” to joining Mercedes following “concrete negotiations”. However, the report adds that the Mercedes board has "not yet approved the decisive move". https://www.crash.net...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 02, 2025 1:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread
Replies: 3185
Views: 371196

Re: F1 Gossip/Rumour/Inside news Thread

I'm not sure how good it is for a start up operation to have drivers with no F1 experience. Seeing how much feedback is worth these days, I don't think it makes a jot of difference in the first few years. What the team needs is experienced hands, not drivers. For a new team having experienced drive...