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by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

The 9-6-4-3-2-1 system also included dropped rounds, normally a season was 16 rounds but only 11 rounds counted, they decided that all the rounds should count and then added an extra point for a win emphasising the importance of winning races. I'd luckily forgotten about the dropped rounds. But loo...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

Well Norris won't be champion. It's true but totally irrelevant. Have race wins been significantly devalued? Under the 9-6-4-3-2-1 system second place was worth 66.6666r of first place. Under the current system second place is worth 72% of first place so only slightly more. None of this is relevant...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:38 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 737
Views: 46433

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

I think he's confused between Jesus and Ben Hur. Obviously you are attacking me personally, because I said something about your favourite driver you didnt like. Grow up. I should have added a smiley, my apologies. And don't worry, you haven't even come close to mentioning my favourite driver. :D Al...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:33 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 737
Views: 46433

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Obviously you are attacking me personally, because I said something about your favourite driver you didnt like. Grow up. I should have added a smiley, my apologies. And don't worry, you haven't even come close to mentioning my favourite driver. :D Shouldnt have went personal dude apologize for that...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:30 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 737
Views: 46433

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Driving is one part of greatness but a very important part. I don’t see anything Lewis does better than Max at actually driving the car. I don’t think he’s as quick, or as relentless, or as consistent. Sprint qualy china, the moment rain fell down, Max fell to 4th. He is not the 2nd coming of jesus...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:29 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 737
Views: 46433

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Sprint qualy china, the moment rain fell down, Max fell to 4th. He is not the 2nd coming of jesus. Good explanation for that. Look how gentle Red Bull is on it's tyres. Although obviously he isn't literally the second coming of Christ.... As far as I know. I think he's confused between Jesus and Be...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:17 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

This depends how you define closeness. Norris is much closer to Verstappen in terms of % of points scored. He is only a little closer in terms of results required to actually catch Verstappen. I.E making no material difference in terms of an actual championship. Norris doesn't gain anything at all ...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:57 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

Actually the material gap between them (that the whole purpose of the points system is designed to reflect) is pretty similar... As of now Norris is two race wins and a little bit behind Verstappen in the WDC. Under the old points system Norris would be two wins and a half behind Verstappen. So not...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

This is a fine point of view to have. What I struggle to understand is both having this opinion AND liking the 9-6-4-3-2-1 system which did almost the exact same thing as the current system which you don't like. The WDC under the previous 9-6-4-2-1 system and taking out the sprint and fastest laps ...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:21 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

Obviously it comes down in many ways to luck. You lower the points on offer and it's going to for the teams who don't score often because you've got so few data points. Yep, I took an exceptional year but the data you've provided also shows us that the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system in place then does roughly...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:17 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

How else would merely finishing get you points? This is something that doesn't happen anymore but used to. I think the points system has had to expand to continue to do the same job as reliability has improved (and drivers crash out far less often). In 1989 with points down to sixth place 29 driver...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:13 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

You mean because of reliability? Still you would have to be top 5 or top 6 to score points every year before 2003. How else would merely finishing get you points? This is something that doesn't happen anymore but used to. I think the points system has had to expand to continue to do the same job as...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:57 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

I think points for all finishers, don't really understand why not it makes it incredibly hard to accurately score the lower midfield - ust going by their best finish when there's not any points is stupid- you can have the worst team absolutely fluke a few points due to DNFs or some stupid situation...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 3:26 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

Im sorry, what is the purpose of the points if not to rank the teams across a season? They clearly are still able to get ranked without scoring points, it devalues the achievement of scoring points and has the feel of participation awards, everyone should be a winner. Uh, actually you can't rank te...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 3:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

This. It's probably been mentioned here about 8-10,000 times, & in motor racing circles about a couple of million times over the years, but when any driver joins a team, what is their #1 mission? It's to beat their teammate yeah? For all the reasons F1Merc mentioned above, I think joining RB as the...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 3:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

I think points for all finishers, don't really understand why not it makes it incredibly hard to accurately score the lower midfield - ust going by their best finish when there's not any points is stupid- you can have the worst team absolutely fluke a few points due to DNFs or some stupid situation...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:49 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

I think points for all finishers, don't really understand why not it makes it incredibly hard to accurately score the lower midfield - ust going by their best finish when there's not any points is stupid- you can have the worst team absolutely fluke a few points due to DNFs or some stupid situation...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

1782864722536112232 This is actually old news he said it at least 2 weeks ago. The wording at the end is strange, his debut would be at Imola because he would have just turned 18, the FIA wouldn't have to authorise it. Previously Saward said Monza which would be when Antonelli would turn 18. Now he...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:30 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

I think points for all finishers, don't really understand why not it makes it incredibly hard to accurately score the lower midfield - ust going by their best finish when there's not any points is stupid- you can have the worst team absolutely fluke a few points due to DNFs or some stupid situation...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: New points system
Replies: 71
Views: 1495

Re: New points system

I'm hearing that the teams pay for every point earned so this enables the FIA to garner more money and this has come from the FIA itself, probably MBS, this follows on from an increase in fines into a system that I believe doesn't publish their yearly accounts since MBS took charge.
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:56 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Valtteri Bottas Thread
Replies: 632
Views: 163852

Re: Official Valtteri Bottas Thread

In terms of present day Bottas how can he be judged given the car he has had to drive these past 3 years, this year we have comical pitstops and when he has a chance to finish in the points his engine blew up, put him up against the Hulk and I'm not sure who comes out on top.
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:38 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The big 6 then the rest?
Replies: 920
Views: 23991

Re: The big 6 then the rest?

Shocked Lewis has dropped with some and sainz risen after a few races. Sainz is driving a fast consistent car and lewis/george are driving a fairy cakes car. That explains the relative performances Top of the pile has to be Max. Rosberg sounded like an idiot having him in his top 5 GOAT list tho. L...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:25 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

UnlikeUday wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:32 am
This is actually old news he said it at least 2 weeks ago.

The wording at the end is strange, his debut would be at Imola because he would have just turned 18, the FIA wouldn't have to authorise it.
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:23 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

Ignoring the fact that Max doesn't need a rear gunner, I just can't understand why Sainz would go to Audi. These are his prime years, unless Audi has a dominant PU then I don't see him winning races or contending for anything for years with that team. Maybe I'm completely off base and they will sur...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:14 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

This. It's probably been mentioned here about 8-10,000 times, & in motor racing circles about a couple of million times over the years, but when any driver joins a team, what is their #1 mission? It's to beat their teammate yeah? For all the reasons F1Merc mentioned above, I think joining RB as the...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:47 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

Ignoring the fact that Max doesn't need a rear gunner, I just can't understand why Sainz would go to Audi. These are his prime years, unless Audi has a dominant PU then I don't see him winning races or contending for anything for years with that team. Maybe I'm completely off base and they will sur...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

Sainz would be incredibly stupid to take the Audi drive over an absolute certain WDC shot in a Red Bull in 2025. If Audi don't get Sainz they'll likely pair 38 year old Hulkenberg with 36 year old Bottas. It's not like the Audi opportunity isn't going to come back around. I believe Ocon is in the r...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:27 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The big 6 then the rest?
Replies: 920
Views: 23991

Re: The big 6 then the rest?

Shocked Lewis has dropped with some and sainz risen after a few races. Sainz is driving a fast consistent car and lewis/george are driving a fairy cakes car. That explains the relative performances Top of the pile has to be Max. Rosberg sounded like an idiot having him in his top 5 GOAT list tho. L...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

Rumour has it that an offer to Sainz has already been made by Red Bull but the money side of it is a bit miserly and Sainz wants more. If Sainz turns down Red Bull because of money then we can't be to sad if he ends up with a midfield future at Audi, at least he will have plenty of money. Wow i can...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:12 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

Rumour has it that an offer to Sainz has already been made by Red Bull but the money side of it is a bit miserly and Sainz wants more. If Sainz turns down Red Bull because of money then we can't be to sad if he ends up with a midfield future at Audi, at least he will have plenty of money. We can be...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:54 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

Rumour has it that an offer to Sainz has already been made by Red Bull but the money side of it is a bit miserly and Sainz wants more.

If Sainz turns down Red Bull because of money then we can't be to sad if he ends up with a midfield future at Audi, at least he will have plenty of money.
by pokerman
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:49 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Valtteri Bottas Thread
Replies: 632
Views: 163852

Re: Official Valtteri Bottas Thread

It's contract time and it looks like Bottas has upped his level and putting the kind of manners on Zhou he should have been doing all along according to some, however it might already be to late for his F1 future, I guess teams might be wise to that kind of behaviour.
by pokerman
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:38 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread
Replies: 141
Views: 4434

Re: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread

Hamilton doing Hamilton things. Guess Russell is being smart... 1781592723671191595 Brainless he can't except the limitations of the car, no matter how many times it goes belly up for him he keeps on doing it. Like they say you cant put lipstick on a pig. His experiments just do not work so stop al...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:55 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The big 6 then the rest?
Replies: 920
Views: 23991

Re: The big 6 then the rest?

mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:34 pm
KingVoid wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:25 pm
The hardest question to figure out right now is who the second best driver on the grid is. There really is no clear answer.
I think it's probably Norris.
Probably on present form although I hear he's to nice the be world champion. :)
by pokerman
Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread
Replies: 141
Views: 4434

Re: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix FP & Qualy/Sprint Thread

Sorry. I'm not usually this grumpy. I didn't sleep well last night. ... visions of Dino locking you out of the house at night ... (I know, I'm showing my age! :D ) :lol: WILMA!!!!!!!! :) Actually ~"ALICE!!!!!!" ;-0 - if you go back to the 1950s origins ("The Honeymooners"). In some ways, it's nice ...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 66
Views: 2201

Re: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread

Not sure what was wrong with Hamilton. He was good in Sprint race but in today's race he was competing in the midfield. Midfield is getting more interesting, Alpine seems to have better pace this weekend. But I think Bottas and Hulk were the best among midfield drivers. Ricciardo has a good record ...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 781
Views: 29459

Re: Silly Season 2025

UnlikeUday wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:29 am
Is anyone expecting Vettel to return to F1 with Mercedes?
No he's done.
by pokerman
Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 66
Views: 2201

Re: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread

Not sure what was wrong with Hamilton. He was good in Sprint race but in today's race he was competing in the midfield. Midfield is getting more interesting, Alpine seems to have better pace this weekend. But I think Bottas and Hulk were the best among midfield drivers. Ricciardo has a good record ...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:09 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 66
Views: 2201

Re: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread

Some spicy comments from Ricciardo - “I slowly started to calm down and then I was told what Lance thinks of the incident,” he stated. “Apparently, I'm an idiot and it was my fault, so that made my blood boil because it's clear as day and it's also behind a safety car. “The only thing you've got to...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:47 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 66
Views: 2201

Re: 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Race Thread

Not sure what was wrong with Hamilton. He was good in Sprint race but in today's race he was competing in the midfield. Midfield is getting more interesting, Alpine seems to have better pace this weekend. But I think Bottas and Hulk were the best among midfield drivers. Ricciardo has a good record ...