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by pokerman
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 219
Views: 12183

Re: Silly Season 2022

I'm not talking about looking better than they do this year with Russell. I'm talking about if they look better next year with two decent drivers than they would do with one decent driver and Latifi. Could they finish higher up in the WCC if they do? Could they raise their value in the stock market...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:43 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 52
Views: 2764

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

News on Verstappen’s engine.. a few bits have been changed as allowed within the regulations. It’ll be run on Friday to check it’s viability as a race engine. Don't like the sound of this.. Imagine if Verstappen lost a further 25 points due to the crash :? It isn’t something I’d take the risk on pe...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:35 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 52
Views: 2764

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Closer between Max and the Mercs than I expected thus far, early days though.
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Games
Topic: 2021 Pick 10 Competition
Replies: 400
Views: 12195

Re: 2021 Pick 10 Competition

Hungary

01. Verstappen
02. Hamilton
03. Bottas
04. Perez
05. Leclerc
06. Norris
07. Sainz
08. Ricciardo
09. Alonso
10. Gasly
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:44 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 219
Views: 12183

Re: Silly Season 2022

The team may have a higher share price with two decent level drivers than a decent level driver and Latifi. I'm not saying it will but it is a factor that needs to be considered in any cost analysis. Through results which can't be guaranteed given what is perceived as a top driver, Russell, has sco...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 52
Views: 2764

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

60% chance of rain. Hopefully we get a spicy rain. The more rain the better otherwise I see Max as the favourite. I'd still see Max as the favourite ;) :o Well if he can help to damage Hamilton's car again like in the last wet race at Imola then I'm sure that would help, even then Max had to pit ra...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:59 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 52
Views: 2764

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

60% chance of rain. Hopefully we get a spicy rain. The more rain the better otherwise I see Max as the favourite. I'd still see Max as the favourite ;) :o Well if he can help to damage Hamilton's car again like in the last wet race at Imola then I'm sure that would help, even then Max had to pit ra...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Do you at least acknowledge this is partially because people jump out of Max's way because of how aggressive he is so they usually go the extra mile to avoid incidents? Maybe you should have told that to Leclerc at Silverstone 2019, who raced Verstappen harder than anyone has raced Hamilton in rece...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:13 pm
Well the stewards threw the appeal out. No further action.
Maybe time to close the thread then. :)
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:22 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

An interesting interview that Max gave the morning of the race on C4. Interesting interview between Mark Webber and Max on Sunday morning - shown during C4 build up program. Mark asked Max about what he thought the Merc drivers might do. "Merc is going to throw everything at this Max, they had the r...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:08 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 669
Views: 34823

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Max is still a better racer than he is a qualifier. Repeating your opinion does not make it into a fact. You've brought forward some arguments to support your case, which is great, but statements like this really don't help anything. You would think that having 15 wins and only 8 poles would make i...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:59 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 52
Views: 2764

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Schermerhorn wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:42 pm
60% chance of rain.

Hopefully we get a spicy rain.
The more rain the better otherwise I see Max as the favourite.
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I said greatest not best. Two different things. For example I think Alonso is better (based on their entire careers rather than right now) than Hamilton, but Hamilton is no doubt greater. On a purely reputational level surely Stefan Bellof must be a contender then. Yeah I thought of Bellof as well,...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

During the last ten/twelve years how many drivers got a "championship contending car" ? Some happy years four, or else only two. If you don't take into account the obvious subservient n° 2 drivers, it reduces the number to 1 or 2. Such is the state of F1 that I wouldn't bet on any of the current "b...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

But you wanted to DSQ Kubica's car as not competitive enough. Now you admit Ricciardo's car is a little worse but somehow it should count. You can't have it both ways. Ricciardo is, in my opinion by far the best driver that will never drive a car capable of challenging for the championship. That is...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 219
Views: 12183

Re: Silly Season 2022

How do you know that? The car is weak now but imagine how much worse it would look with two Latifi level driver? The loss of Russell makes it even more important to have two decent drivers. I never said two Latifi level drivers I expect one driver to be decent, I responded to what I believe was sai...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 52
Views: 2764

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Some betting figures from 188BET. Winning odds: Max Verstappen 1.80 Lewis Hamilton 2.50 Valtteri Bottas, Sergio Perez 15.0 Charles Leclerc 17.0 Lando Norris 34.0 Carlos Sainz 41.0 Daniel Ricciardo 67.0 Pierre Gasly 101 Fernando Alonso 201 George Russell, Sebastian Vettel 251 Antonio Giovinazzi, Est...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

I believe telemetry shows that Hamilton had decreased his speed by 13kph while Max actually increased speed by 2kph so while Hamilton had backed out of it Max still had his foot planted. This is a point that interest me. It's been mentioned that Hamilton went into Copse as fast as he had all race a...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:55 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

Any predictions on what the new evidence is. For it to be admissible it has to have been: Not evidence the stewards were aware of at the time of the original verdict. Unavailable at the time to the party lodging the appeal of the original verdict. Substantially different to evidence used in the ori...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

The thing is though Max is very aggressive in all scenarios. I don't see how you can compete with that except for backing out when the risk is too high (which Hamilton has done on multiple occasions) and matching the aggression at the right moments - easier said than done. In this case Hamilton was...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Do you at least acknowledge this is partially because people jump out of Max's way because of how aggressive he is so they usually go the extra mile to avoid incidents? Maybe you should have told that to Leclerc at Silverstone 2019, who raced Verstappen harder than anyone has raced Hamilton in rece...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:24 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

A gentle reminder for Horner (check from 0:09 seconds): 1420019826160963595 Indeed whether Max is on the inside or the outside he always expects the other driver to back down, in this instance he never got as far alongside as what Hamilton did at Silverstone, Stroll didn't end up in a barrier so it...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 644
Views: 23518

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

IDFD wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:32 pm
In football a frivolous appeal would see you receive an extra game ban.

The FIA need to stamp down on this and make sure it doesn't become routine.
Apparently that's what Max Moseley use to do, Jordan appealed a one race ban for Eddie Irvine and he ended up with a 3 race ban. :)
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:36 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 219
Views: 12183

Re: Silly Season 2022

Erm, it appears massively better with Russell than it would do with two Latifi's.... Baffled by how you can even argue that. I'm saying they need to improve the car massively to appear better then they are presently given that whoever replaces Russell will surely be worse, a bigger problem is the c...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

During the last ten/twelve years how many drivers got a "championship contending car" ? Some happy years four, or else only two. If you don't take into account the obvious subservient n° 2 drivers, it reduces the number to 1 or 2. Such is the state of F1 that I wouldn't bet on any of the current "b...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:29 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I know Kubica had a championship contending car because he literally did just that in it. That's factual so lets just park that. Ricciardo this season has a car that is slower (as you say yourself) given that he has not yet had a car capable of challenging for the championship. Given that earlier i...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 669
Views: 34823

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I’m interested in where Vettel and Leclerc fit into this- Verstappen Hamilton +0.2 Bottas +0.4 Perez +0.5 Have you worked it out? I have Vettel at Bottas level and Leclerc at Verstappen level or close to. Depends if you count 2019 or not. If you do, then Leclerc is 1.0-1.5 tenths slower than Versta...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 219
Views: 12183

Re: Silly Season 2022

Especially seeing as Williams is floated on the Stock Exchange. Appearing better increases Williams value. If it's not appearing better with Russell how is it going to appear better with a weaker drivers than Russell. Erm, it appears massively better with Russell than it would do with two Latifi's....
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:52 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 669
Views: 34823

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Max is still a better racer than he is a qualifier. Repeating your opinion does not make it into a fact. You've brought forward some arguments to support your case, which is great, but statements like this really don't help anything. You would think that having 15 wins and only 8 poles would make i...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:50 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 669
Views: 34823

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I’m interested in where Vettel and Leclerc fit into this- Verstappen Hamilton +0.2 Bottas +0.4 Perez +0.5 Have you worked it out? I have Vettel at Bottas level and Leclerc at Verstappen level or close to. Depends if you count 2019 or not. If you do, then Leclerc is 1.0-1.5 tenths slower than Versta...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:47 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Formula E
Replies: 27
Views: 720

Re: Formula E

Even FE themselves have said they're considering a qualifying change, so maybe there will be a better future at least. I still detest Fanboost though. Hopefully that would make things fairer and then I would watch it, Usain Bolt wasn't made to run in lead boots just because he was faster than every...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:41 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Sure, so as it stands he's never driven a car capable of contending for the championship. I'm at a loss as to why this is so difficult for you. Sometimes it feels like you just want to argue for the sake of it. Not at all, you think somehow that Kubica had fair chance in the 3rd best car because he...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:22 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Formula E
Replies: 27
Views: 720

Re: Formula E

Looking closer, the standing do make for , er, interesting reading. After 7 events/14 races, the leader de Vries has 4 retirements, 3 finishes outside the top 10 and 2 wins. You wouldn't expect a scorecard like that to be leading the championship. Frijns in 2nd hasn't won a race yet. 10 different w...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 219
Views: 12183

Re: Silly Season 2022

Yeah, obviously it's a gamble right. Could be one worth taking though. For sure because in qualy at least, the difference between Russel & Latifi is night & day. Especially seeing as Williams is floated on the Stock Exchange. Appearing better increases Williams value. If it's not appearing better w...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I mean, yes that's the whole point. Had Ricciardo driven a faster car he wouldn't qualify. But he hasn't. He still would qualify because it's also reliant on both Max and Hamilton messing up which isn't happening. Sure, so as it stands he's never driven a car capable of contending for the champions...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I never said title capable I said TITLE CHALLENGING. Which the car factually actually did. Regardless, I made the proposition so I'm setting the parameters for myself in thinking that. I'm happy to have a conversation about it but if you're starting point is so extreme as to deny things that we act...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

There hasn't really been any path for Ricciardo to ever find himself into a championship challenging seat. No path to Mercedes, or the 17/18 Ferrari. He could have stayed 8 seasons at Red Bull to finally get a championship capable car, but that is pretty unprecedented to be at a team that long that...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

It's just extreme circumstance that kept Kubica in the game not the quality of the car, on today's grid if you give Ricciardo's present car just 2 tenths more performance then you are perhaps were Kubica was with his car, look at Lando so close to 2 poles already, even with 2 tenths more performanc...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:51 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3302

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Ricciardo had 0 chance at the 2014 WDC. We won 3 races when Mercedes imploded 3 times. Kubica did get a lucky win, but he was on track to win another race when he retired from the lead. With 2 races to go in 2008 he was 12 points off the WDC lead... He relied on the faster cars messing up to have a...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 669
Views: 34823

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Since the beginning of 2019, Verstappen has been making equal or fewer mistakes than Hamilton. If Verstappen is faster than Hamilton, and more/equal in consistency, then at that point, what does Hamilton have left over Verstappen? Is your assumption that Max is faster on something that can't really...