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by pokerman
Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

Some people have decided that Verstappen is the fastest driver in the history of mankind because of the way he handles his teammates. There is a movement that wants to paint Max Verstappen as the second coming of Schumacher rather than the guy actually matching and surpassing his records (who they ...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Sebastian Vettel thread
Replies: 906
Views: 281181

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Option or Prime wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:23 am
Does Nico Hulkenberg going AM put pressure on Vettel? That's a high profile reserve driver!
No it just makes sense to have a Covid substitute, I thought Hulk is also going to be a back up at Mercedes presumably when Vandoorne has clashing commitments with FE.
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

But that wasn't the point of the post, which was to highlight Schumacher's contribution to Mercedes's success today, that team building trait which Hamilton (or anyone else) doesn't hold a candle to. Only two people in F1 history are this instrumental in building dominant teams more than once - one...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

__________________________________ Meadows then spoke of the team’s regret over not winning with Schumacher as he provided a lot of the foundations that helped Mercedes become such a dominant force in the years to come. “A couple of years later we couldn’t stop winning and he deserves some of that ...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

There seems to be a desperate need to paint Verstappen as the driver making the difference in a marginally inferior car despite a marginal but visible superiority at Bahrain due to drivability and engine performance of Red Bull. I feel someone may be steadying themselves for a "but Mercedes was the...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Yes, that is a myth, really. It started out with some projections than Schumacher with an ideal season could have matched Rosberg (without assuming an ideal season for him as well, of course). And over the years, the mantra was developed that he was better than Rosberg, which is as false as the cla...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Yes, that is a myth, really. It started out with some projections than Schumacher with an ideal season could have matched Rosberg (without assuming an ideal season for him as well, of course). And over the years, the mantra was developed that he was better than Rosberg, which is as false as the cla...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

But so what if Bottas ignored Merc... He was in the right wasn't he. That was proved at the start when he overtook Verstappen. Merc should be thanking him. If you seriously think Hamilton wouldn't put himself in the best possible position to win a race (which was all that Bottas was doing) then you...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

It's strange how we keep getting told that in his final year he was better than Rosberg. Why is it strange? It's a fairly commonly held opinion, although certainly not universal. There's even some data that suggests it might be true (point projections adjusted for reliability, mostly) although I ha...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

It's strange how we keep getting told that in his final year he was better than Rosberg. Why is it strange? It's a fairly commonly held opinion, although certainly not universal. There's even some data that suggests it might be true (point projections adjusted for reliability, mostly) although I ha...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?
Replies: 78
Views: 2581

Re: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?

So basically what's being proposed is a qualifying session in a race format. It would help if they didn't call it a race...but it is one. Only the "reward" isn't a race win it's your grid-slot for Sunday. Its a mess however you look at it. So what is a Pole now? P1 on Friday even though you could e...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?
Replies: 78
Views: 2581

Re: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?

I don't know whether this has already been asked / addressed but I assume that a Sprint race win does not count towards overall Grand Prix wins? What with it being more of a 'Mini-Prix.' More specifically, how will this look against a driver's stats? For example, should Hamilton be on 99 GP wins go...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

__________________________________ Meadows then spoke of the team’s regret over not winning with Schumacher as he provided a lot of the foundations that helped Mercedes become such a dominant force in the years to come. “A couple of years later we couldn’t stop winning and he deserves some of that ...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

I don't think Merc were actively disadvantaging Bottas. I don't think the quali thing is a big deal TBH. It's the clear disappointment of Bottas winning rather than Hamilton. "Not a complete disaster". Do you think Hamilton winning would have been described in that language? Do you think Hamilton w...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

Question on the Raikkonen-McLaren era - is there anything to suggest he was actually better at that point and he failed to reach that level 2007 onwards? Is it possible he just looked a lot better 2003-06 because he was in a car that was actually quicker than generally agreed on at the time? Raikko...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

I don't know who these people you are referring to but what happened between Alonso and Kimi was entirely predictable. Also It's quite amusing reading how Max and Alonso are somehow the targets of recent posts when I don't believe anyone has said anything negative. My post was targeted at those who...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint race at Silverstone. 2021
Replies: 15
Views: 695

Re: Sprint race at Silverstone. 2021

I believe they are keeping a practice session between qualy and the sprint race (so effectively FP3 stays, but becomes FP2 on paper). So the two practice sessions would both be under earlier timeslots, and potentially different temps, than the competitive sessions would all be in the later time slo...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?
Replies: 78
Views: 2581

Re: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?

I don't know whether this has already been asked / addressed but I assume that a Sprint race win does not count towards overall Grand Prix wins? What with it being more of a 'Mini-Prix.' "he shorter sprint is set to offer a small number of points too, with three on offer for the winner, two for sec...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?
Replies: 78
Views: 2581

Re: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?

I'm still slightly in shock that this looking like it's actually going to happen. Worst suggestion to get the go ahead since the double-points debacle. Formula 1 is basically run by the worst excesses of impatient, quarterly KPI data driven middle management. They shake things up just as a current ...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:30 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 948
Views: 24461

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Just to point out... My source is Valterri Bottas and Toto Wolf. What you've sighted is an unsourced paragraph of speculation. Surely you can see how those things are not equitable? Bottas and Hamilton both tried to put themselves in the best possible place to win the race. Merc only seem annoyed a...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

However and notwithstanding, if Perez keeps performing like in Bahrain (which I don't believe he will), this will not lead to this conclusion. It was obvious in the race that Perez drove one of the best cars on the grid. The inevitable conclusion is that he messed up qualifying - and that's really ...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:04 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

Probably worth noting that qualifying is probably Perez's weakest area and Bottas' strongest. And yet the Perez-Button-Hamilton-Bottas cross comparison suggests that Bottas has, at most, a tenth on Perez over one lap. Not the most accurate method obviously, but it does suggest that Perez is not as ...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:46 pm
Probably worth noting that qualifying is probably Perez's weakest area and Bottas' strongest.
Yes they have opposite strengths presumably.
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:18 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?
Replies: 78
Views: 2581

Re: Sprint races to replace Saturday qualifying?

Yeah this is a bit of a shocker. Perhaps it is purely to get more competitive sessions into the weekend, but I would not be at all surprised if after Silverstone, precisely what people have predicted here comes happens (i.e. just evens out the order ahead of the race and if anything detracts from t...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:16 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint race at Silverstone. 2021
Replies: 15
Views: 695

Re: Sprint race at Silverstone. 2021

I think qualifying will likely take the FP3 slot and the sprint would take the qualifying slot, at a guess. No qualifying is on Friday and replaces FP2, while the FP3 slot I believe disappears completely so the 4 slots are reduced to 3 slots but I guess we will still be told that we are being given...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread
Replies: 17
Views: 609

Re: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread

They've had more grunt for sure, but not in the way they have this year. And their starts are in a different league. They've had that starting system for a couple of years as well. I know but I watched last year and maybe it's just me but I don't recall the difference being so evident during either...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:02 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint Races
Replies: 2
Views: 124

Re: Sprint Races

It's already been discussed on here.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16230

Friday qualifying for the Saturday sprint race.
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread
Replies: 17
Views: 609

Re: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread

Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back. The D...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:55 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

Well it's already happened once, in Bahrain. When Perez tried to qualify on mediums and half of the grid out qualified him, that's your evidence? Verstappen, Perez, Hamilton, and Bottas all qualified on mediums in Q2. Perez was the only one who could not put in a lap fast enough, and despite two at...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread
Replies: 17
Views: 609

Re: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread

Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back. The D...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:08 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

WHEN, you seem confident that's going to be the case. Well it's already happened once, in Bahrain. Well, if your prediction comes true this way, people will only conclude that Perez is not up to the job. Perez is a very well-established benchmark. We know exactly how good he is. If Verstappen trash...
by pokerman
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

WHEN, you seem confident that's going to be the case. Well it's already happened once, in Bahrain. When Perez tried to qualify on mediums and half of the grid out qualified him, that's your evidence? Verstappen, Perez, Hamilton, and Bottas all qualified on mediums in Q2. Perez was the only one who ...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021
Replies: 14
Views: 456

Re: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021

I've looked at the lap times and retracted my vote for Kimi, the 2 drivers had identical pace in the race, I'm going to call it a draw. Based on what you are saying though, you are saying their pace is equal in the race, which likely would have given the higher position to Giovinazzi had he not los...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021
Replies: 14
Views: 456

Re: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021

I've looked at the lap times and retracted my vote for Kimi, the 2 drivers had identical pace in the race, I'm going to call it a draw.
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread
Replies: 17
Views: 609

Re: Official Moto GP 2021 Thread

Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back. The D...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021
Replies: 14
Views: 456

Re: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021

Hamilton - This is quite straight forward although it has to be said that Bottas was very competitive. Verstappen - Again straight forward, poor qualifying from Perez but not his fault he had to start from the pitlane, good recovery drive but never on the pace of Max. Norris - Quicker all weekend b...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:36 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021
Replies: 14
Views: 456

Re: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Bahrain 2021

Same here voted for Kimi because I was unaware of a pitstop issue for Giovinazzi, as for voting for Gasly he binned it on the first lap, I voted for Tsunoda. ^Good point about Kimi v. Gio, I didn't know about the pitstop issues. I voted the same as you except that I did choose Kimi (largely because...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

KingVoid wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:32 pm
pokerman wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:20 pm
WHEN, you seem confident that's going to be the case.
Well it's already happened once, in Bahrain.
When Perez tried to qualify on mediums and half of the grid out qualified him, that's your evidence?
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6882

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

I'm legit confused about how people could be confused about Verstappen having a very solid argument for being the best qualifier on the grid. InB4 he claims more pole positions this season than Hamilton has managed in any of his F1 seasons (granted -- he'll have 23 races to do it). Get used to Vers...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Max Verstappen thread
Replies: 257
Views: 47115

Re: Official Max Verstappen thread

If we are to believe this, then Max did brilliant: https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/04/04/marko-reveals-pu-turned-down-cost-max-up-to-three-tenths-in-2021-bahrain-grand-prix/ I believe we already know that Max was losing 3 tenths and so I believe was Perez as he drove through the field, a bit disc...