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by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 5:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Sure - but when they do dodgy things it is considered innovation (such as DAS, which never should have been allowed imo). Here's a video I found of the wing from Spain: https://streamable.com/6xb9xv (mods: not sure if this is allowed - please feel free to remove if not) How was DAS cheating when th...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 5:29 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Are you so defensive about them solely because Hamilton drives for them? Even though Schumacher and Ross Brawn, ex Ferrari, built the team up? Why do you seem fit to attack them? Asking legitimate questions is not the same as attacking. Why are you so defensive about them that you dismiss the quest...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 5:24 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Racing point saga last year is one example. The illegal tyre test is another. The first you seem to be making up only Aston Martin came under investigation, the second they got penalised for, the person responsible for that Ross Brawn, ex Ferrari, left the team at the end of that year. Merc didn't ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 4:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

If it is Mercedes that have noticed dodgy things. then good on them for bringing it up with the FIA. By the way, are there any pictures on-line that show what they are talking about? Sure - but when they do dodgy things it is considered innovation (such as DAS, which never should have been allowed ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 4:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Everyone knows Ross Brawn worked for Ferrari at some point - how is that relevant here? Do you write this after James Allison's name as well? What about Toto Wolff, ex Williams? Or Lewis Hamilton, ex McLaren? It's just interesting who was actually responsible for it and you said that Mercedes got a...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 4:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

UnlikeUday wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 4:09 pm
Last year when DAS was discovered & banned from this year, FIA did allow Mercedes to keep using DAS for the rest of the '20 season as a freepass.
It wasn't discovered Mercedes passed it through the stewards before using it.
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 4:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Racing point saga last year is one example. The illegal tyre test is another. The first you seem to be making up only Aston Martin came under investigation, the second they got penalised for, the person responsible for that Ross Brawn, ex Ferrari, left the team at the end of that year. Everyone kno...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 4:05 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

If it is Mercedes that have noticed dodgy things. then good on them for bringing it up with the FIA. By the way, are there any pictures on-line that show what they are talking about? Sure - but when they do dodgy things it is considered innovation (such as DAS, which never should have been allowed ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 4:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

That's not the point though, is it? What about Mercedes being allowed to get away with cheating or unsporting behaviour, or borderline illegal "innovations" that other teams get punished for? What cheating did they get away with? Racing point saga last year is one example. The illegal tyre test is ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 4:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

That's not the point though, is it? What about Mercedes being allowed to get away with cheating or unsporting behaviour, or borderline illegal "innovations" that other teams get punished for? What cheating did they get away with? Racing point saga last year is one example. The illegal tyre test is ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 3:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Mercedes helping the FIA in stopping cheating is them being the bad guys, Ferrari should have been allowed to carry on with their engine and Red Bull allowed to go back to their glory years with the flexi wings. That's not the point though, is it? What about Mercedes being allowed to get away with ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 3:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

I may be wrong but don't all the contracts between Mercedes and their drivers end this year ? By drivers, I mean not only Hamilton and Bottas, but also Russell and Ocon. You're not wrong. Hamilton, Bottas, Russel & Ocon. Plus Perez, Stroll, Gasly, Tsunoda, Raikkonen and Giovanazzi. Very convenient ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 3:45 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Mercedes helping the FIA in stopping cheating is them being the bad guys, Ferrari should have been allowed to carry on with their engine and Red Bull allowed to go back to their glory years with the flexi wings. That's not the point though, is it? What about Mercedes being allowed to get away with ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 3:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Lewis Hamilton - 100 Poles Milestone Thread
Replies: 39
Views: 1509

Re: Lewis Hamilton - 100 Poles Milestone Thread

Perhaps it's not being "challenged with the same gusto" because people don't have such a hard time believing Max might indeed be faster than Hamilton - although I find it funny how the goalposts keep moving in every conversation with you. What goalposts, I always respect what the data is telling me...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 3:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: FIA and Mercedes
Replies: 46
Views: 275

Re: FIA and Mercedes

Mercedes helping the FIA in stopping cheating is them being the bad guys, Ferrari should have been allowed to carry on with their engine and Red Bull allowed to go back to their glory years with the flexi wings.
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 3:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Spain 2021
Replies: 4
Views: 227

Re: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Spain 2021

Hamilton - Pretty straight forward, Bottas had a reasonable performance. Verstappen - Again straight forward, Perez's terrible qualifying made for a poor race. Leclerc - Better in qualifying and the race, Sainz was respectable. Ricciardo - A turn around for Ricciardo, Norris was somewhat subdued. O...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 1:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Checo (Sergio) Perez Thread
Replies: 75
Views: 14930

Re: Official Checo (Sergio) Perez Thread

Well, I guess it's still relatively early, but how do you feel Checo is doing so far? As expected? Better? Worse? Too early to tell? Is the reality that actually he's doing fine, it's just that Verstappen really is *that* good? In spots his done better than I thought he would this early in the seas...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 1:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

My understanding was that McLaren on the whole wanted Hamilton to stay, but there was a not insignificant minority that felt that Button and a strong number 2 would be a better bet for a title bid for 2013. Well that's something I've never heard anywhere before. No me neither, Ron obviously wanted ...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 1:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

(I'm 95% sure that'll be Russell, but if Ocon keeps starting and finishing ahead of Fernando, I do think he will start to get a little consideration). I think if it's not Russell, they'll dynamite whatever feeble respect their young driver program gets at the moment. Compared to the Ferrari or part...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 1:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

I'm curious where people think George Russell may end up, assuming that one of the Merc seats does not become free in 2022? This will certainly influence Mercedes decision making. Would he really risk going into an environment like Red Bull where the team is focused around Max, rather than wait a l...
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 1:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Lewis Hamilton - 100 Poles Milestone Thread
Replies: 39
Views: 1509

Re: Lewis Hamilton - 100 Poles Milestone Thread

It's these made up numbers that are being used as evidence for Max being faster than Hamilton over 1 lap which doesn't seem to get challenged with the same gusto.
by pokerman
Wed May 12, 2021 12:45 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Lewis Hamilton - 100 Poles Milestone Thread
Replies: 39
Views: 1509

Re: Lewis Hamilton - 100 Poles Milestone Thread

Bottas is hardly a chump - his one-lap pace had been demonstrated before he joined Mercedes. As for Hamilton - he may well be that good. Trouble is, as alluded to, he has been a bit limited in genuine competition he has had to face over a number of years so it can be difficult to use a proper bench...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 2:26 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 170
Views: 8313

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Er - what?? So as per your thinking Russell wasn't quicker than Bottas in Sakhir - this coming from a person who accuses me of having a bias :lol: I suppose there is no arguing with someone who can't see the forest for the trees. I just look at the facts, Bottas outqualified Russell despite messing...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 1:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

So in other words, the two teammates he had who actually gave him difficulty? I agree with what others have said. Lewis wants competition, but he doesn't want it coming from inside his own team. I would say he wants fair competition within his team and not deal with the politics of Alonso or the sh...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 1:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

I didn't word it right - he wasn't fighting for the championship AGAINST his teammate. Not in 2010 (far higher chance of Alonso/Webber/Vettel winning it than Button), and not in 2012 (Button wasn't even remotely in the fight). Button was mathematically in the fight going into the last 2 races and w...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 1:10 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 170
Views: 8313

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

So Bottas was clearly beaten by your own admission - unless you're suggesting that he would be coming back hard at Russell and closing the gap and maybe even making a move on him? He has NEVER shown the capability to put in a drive like that, but hey, let's believe this as long as it doesn't shatte...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 12:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

He was never fighting for the championship when paired with Button (even though he got beaten). His true side comes out when he has a team-mate fighting alongside him for the championship. All this "I love competition" is nothing more than a transparent (and at this point boring) PR exercise. He wa...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 12:24 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 241
Views: 7779

Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

Interesting words from Mazepin here :lol: Quoted from racefans: "The Haas driver said he is still learning how to respond to F1’s blue flags. “I was dealing with these blue flag in Imola for the first time in my life,” he explained. “I previously never had a blue flag on a consistent basis. “So it’...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 12:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

He was never fighting for the championship when paired with Button (even though he got beaten). His true side comes out when he has a team-mate fighting alongside him for the championship. All this "I love competition" is nothing more than a transparent (and at this point boring) PR exercise. I thi...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 12:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

So in other words, the two teammates he had who actually gave him difficulty? I agree with what others have said. Lewis wants competition, but he doesn't want it coming from inside his own team. I would say he wants fair competition within his team and not deal with the politics of Alonso or the sh...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 241
Views: 7779

Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

Interesting words from Mazepin here :lol: Quoted from racefans: "The Haas driver said he is still learning how to respond to F1’s blue flags. “I was dealing with these blue flag in Imola for the first time in my life,” he explained. “I previously never had a blue flag on a consistent basis. “So it’...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 11:43 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 241
Views: 7779

Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

It doesn't matter what I think. Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself. We will see him replaced by Russell anyway and I'm sure he knows that. I guess it just shows the diffe...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 11:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

I am not convinced that Lewis merely wants a wingman. He has always enjoyed competition with rivals where there is some mutual respect. Lewis and Sebastian were almost always on good terms and could quickly get past racing incidents without causing much drama. As Max has matured he and Lewis have f...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 11:35 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

So in other words, the two teammates he had who actually gave him difficulty? I agree with what others have said. Lewis wants competition, but he doesn't want it coming from inside his own team. I would say he wants fair competition within his team and not deal with the politics of Alonso or the sh...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 11:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

I am not convinced that Lewis merely wants a wingman. He has always enjoyed competition with rivals where there is some mutual respect. Lewis and Sebastian were almost always on good terms and could quickly get past racing incidents without causing much drama. As Max has matured he and Lewis have f...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 11:17 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 170
Views: 8313

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

What exactly are you trying to show here? They could have been faster than the other on an equal number of laps - fact remains though that Russell overtook Bottas at the start, then built an 8 second gap over him. After the pit drama, he pulled off one of those FU overtakes (at a place where I have...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 10:53 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Where will Bottas be next year?
Replies: 24
Views: 815

Re: Where will Bottas be next year?

First of all I don't know so I'm just looking at the most likely options:- Mercedes - If it's Wolff's belief that Hamilton is going to be good into his 40's then that gives Bottas a strong chance of staying because Hamilton likes him, if Wolff is prepared to make that big a commitment to Hamilton th...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 9:41 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.
Replies: 89
Views: 2075

Re: Is bottas time up at Mercedes.

I am not convinced that Lewis merely wants a wingman. He has always enjoyed competition with rivals where there is some mutual respect. Lewis and Sebastian were almost always on good terms and could quickly get past racing incidents without causing much drama. As Max has matured he and Lewis have f...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 9:34 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 170
Views: 8313

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

The gap was 1.5 seconds after 1 lap (natural field spread) and at 44 laps (when Russell pitted) the gap was 3.1 seconds. He put 1.6 seconds on him over 43 laps. Funny how some people try every extreme to exaggerate, 8 seconds. That's literally the greatest the gap ever got to and within 10 laps tha...
by pokerman
Tue May 11, 2021 9:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 170
Views: 8313

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Your comment makes no sense, sorry. What's that now? Maybe my wording was not good you said that Russell schooled Bottas in performance I said you was wrong, there is opinion then there are facts. http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=1054&graf=3&dr1=George%20Russell&dr2=Valtteri%20Botta...