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by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:36 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

Erm, it appears massively better with Russell than it would do with two Latifi's.... Baffled by how you can even argue that. I'm saying they need to improve the car massively to appear better then they are presently given that whoever replaces Russell will surely be worse, a bigger problem is the c...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

During the last ten/twelve years how many drivers got a "championship contending car" ? Some happy years four, or else only two. If you don't take into account the obvious subservient n° 2 drivers, it reduces the number to 1 or 2. Such is the state of F1 that I wouldn't bet on any of the current "b...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:29 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I know Kubica had a championship contending car because he literally did just that in it. That's factual so lets just park that. Ricciardo this season has a car that is slower (as you say yourself) given that he has not yet had a car capable of challenging for the championship. Given that earlier i...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 34251

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I’m interested in where Vettel and Leclerc fit into this- Verstappen Hamilton +0.2 Bottas +0.4 Perez +0.5 Have you worked it out? I have Vettel at Bottas level and Leclerc at Verstappen level or close to. Depends if you count 2019 or not. If you do, then Leclerc is 1.0-1.5 tenths slower than Versta...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

Especially seeing as Williams is floated on the Stock Exchange. Appearing better increases Williams value. If it's not appearing better with Russell how is it going to appear better with a weaker drivers than Russell. Erm, it appears massively better with Russell than it would do with two Latifi's....
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:52 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 34251

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Max is still a better racer than he is a qualifier. Repeating your opinion does not make it into a fact. You've brought forward some arguments to support your case, which is great, but statements like this really don't help anything. You would think that having 15 wins and only 8 poles would make i...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:50 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 34251

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I’m interested in where Vettel and Leclerc fit into this- Verstappen Hamilton +0.2 Bottas +0.4 Perez +0.5 Have you worked it out? I have Vettel at Bottas level and Leclerc at Verstappen level or close to. Depends if you count 2019 or not. If you do, then Leclerc is 1.0-1.5 tenths slower than Versta...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:47 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Formula E
Replies: 24
Views: 552

Re: Formula E

Even FE themselves have said they're considering a qualifying change, so maybe there will be a better future at least. I still detest Fanboost though. Hopefully that would make things fairer and then I would watch it, Usain Bolt wasn't made to run in lead boots just because he was faster than every...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:41 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Sure, so as it stands he's never driven a car capable of contending for the championship. I'm at a loss as to why this is so difficult for you. Sometimes it feels like you just want to argue for the sake of it. Not at all, you think somehow that Kubica had fair chance in the 3rd best car because he...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:22 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Formula E
Replies: 24
Views: 552

Re: Formula E

Looking closer, the standing do make for , er, interesting reading. After 7 events/14 races, the leader de Vries has 4 retirements, 3 finishes outside the top 10 and 2 wins. You wouldn't expect a scorecard like that to be leading the championship. Frijns in 2nd hasn't won a race yet. 10 different w...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

Yeah, obviously it's a gamble right. Could be one worth taking though. For sure because in qualy at least, the difference between Russel & Latifi is night & day. Especially seeing as Williams is floated on the Stock Exchange. Appearing better increases Williams value. If it's not appearing better w...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I mean, yes that's the whole point. Had Ricciardo driven a faster car he wouldn't qualify. But he hasn't. He still would qualify because it's also reliant on both Max and Hamilton messing up which isn't happening. Sure, so as it stands he's never driven a car capable of contending for the champions...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I never said title capable I said TITLE CHALLENGING. Which the car factually actually did. Regardless, I made the proposition so I'm setting the parameters for myself in thinking that. I'm happy to have a conversation about it but if you're starting point is so extreme as to deny things that we act...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

There hasn't really been any path for Ricciardo to ever find himself into a championship challenging seat. No path to Mercedes, or the 17/18 Ferrari. He could have stayed 8 seasons at Red Bull to finally get a championship capable car, but that is pretty unprecedented to be at a team that long that...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

It's just extreme circumstance that kept Kubica in the game not the quality of the car, on today's grid if you give Ricciardo's present car just 2 tenths more performance then you are perhaps were Kubica was with his car, look at Lando so close to 2 poles already, even with 2 tenths more performanc...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:51 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Ricciardo had 0 chance at the 2014 WDC. We won 3 races when Mercedes imploded 3 times. Kubica did get a lucky win, but he was on track to win another race when he retired from the lead. With 2 races to go in 2008 he was 12 points off the WDC lead... He relied on the faster cars messing up to have a...
by pokerman
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 34251

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Since the beginning of 2019, Verstappen has been making equal or fewer mistakes than Hamilton. If Verstappen is faster than Hamilton, and more/equal in consistency, then at that point, what does Hamilton have left over Verstappen? Is your assumption that Max is faster on something that can't really...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Formula E
Replies: 24
Views: 552

Re: Formula E

I thought this thread was started because of the shenanigans last time out, Audi are pulling out of the series and then basically crapped all over it. I often forget to watch the races but managed to catch the last race, probably helped because there was no F1 or MotoGP on at the weekend to preoccup...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 555
Views: 19561

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

To be fair to Masi he was new to the job and perhaps finding his feet, I think he is now finding a better way were stewards decisions can be more consistent, with the Austria 2019 incident it was an obvious cop out for political reasons, at the time to find Leclerc partly responsible was ridiculous...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

I think Gasly's contract was only for 2021, but with the very obvious caveat that Red Bull will have the option to extend it into 2022 if they wish. Latifi's contract was reported to be three years, so until the end of 2022. But I think it's safe to say that if Williams' new management did feel the...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:25 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

Depends how much money. How much does a team like Williams gain from going from say 8th to 6th in the WCC? One is a guarantee the other is not, how can you judge that Williams make such good progress with the car, the driver they replace Latifi with is probably going to be worse than Russell who th...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

A few weeks back I recollect the owner of William's team saying as of now their finances are in good shape & for them now having 2 good drivers is the priority. I still don't see any team being happy to throw away money sorting out contract disputes. Depends how much money. How much does a team lik...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:19 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Kubica did have a championship challenge. In the 2008 BMW. In the third best car, how was that a WDC capable car and only in the hunt due to McLaren/Mercedes mess ups, he won only one race because of the pit lane collision between Hamilton and Kimi, he was out of contention in the last third of the...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 555
Views: 19561

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

To be fair to Masi he was new to the job and perhaps finding his feet, I think he is now finding a better way were stewards decisions can be more consistent, with the Austria 2019 incident it was an obvious cop out for political reasons, at the time to find Leclerc partly responsible was ridiculous...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

I think Gasly's contract was only for 2021, but with the very obvious caveat that Red Bull will have the option to extend it into 2022 if they wish. Latifi's contract was reported to be three years, so until the end of 2022. But I think it's safe to say that if Williams' new management did feel the...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Who do you think it would be, then? Bear in mind that mikeyg123 said he would be the greatest to 'never drive a car capable of making a championship run', not the greatest to never make such a run himself. He hasn't even had the opportunity regardless of personal ability -- no one could have challe...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:57 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 34251

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I have Verstappen surpassing Hamilton on ultimate pace in 2017 and surpassing Hamilton as all-round driver in 2019. I wouldn't want to disagree with the first part as for the second part in respect to the forum you are in the minority. Since the beginning of 2019, Verstappen has been making equal o...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:51 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

tootsie323 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:48 am
Going off on a slight tangent, I recall one specific F1 driver having two contract negotiation issues with Williams back in the 00s.
In this case it had to be paid out by the driver, Button, and not any of the teams involved.
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:49 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

In a nutshell..... These are the drivers who're already confirmed for 202 or beyond: Carlos Sainz Jr., Ferrari (2022) Fernando Alonso, Alpine (2022) Lance Stroll, Aston Martin (2022+) Mick Schumacher, Haas (2022+) Nikita Mazepin, Haas (2022+) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (2023) Max Verstappen, Red Bull...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:46 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

In a nutshell..... These are the drivers who're already confirmed for 202 or beyond: Carlos Sainz Jr., Ferrari (2022) Fernando Alonso, Alpine (2022) Lance Stroll, Aston Martin (2022+) Mick Schumacher, Haas (2022+) Nikita Mazepin, Haas (2022+) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (2023) Max Verstappen, Red Bull...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:44 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

In a nutshell..... These are the drivers who're already confirmed for 202 or beyond: Carlos Sainz Jr., Ferrari (2022) Fernando Alonso, Alpine (2022) Lance Stroll, Aston Martin (2022+) Mick Schumacher, Haas (2022+) Nikita Mazepin, Haas (2022+) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (2023) Max Verstappen, Red Bull...
by pokerman
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:36 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 555
Views: 19561

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

To be fair to Masi he was new to the job and perhaps finding his feet, I think he is now finding a better way were stewards decisions can be more consistent, with the Austria 2019 incident it was an obvious cop out for political reasons, at the time to find Leclerc partly responsible was ridiculous,...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:49 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Kubica did have a championship challenge. In the 2008 BMW. In the third best car, how was that a WDC capable car and only in the hunt due to McLaren/Mercedes mess ups, he won only one race because of the pit lane collision between Hamilton and Kimi, he was out of contention in the last third of the...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Kubica arguably also never had a credible championship winning car, but his career was cut short. This is probably the 7th or 8th season Ricciardo has been considered a top driver - its unusual in the history of the sport for a top driver to go that long without ever getting a go in a championship ...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

In a nutshell..... These are the drivers who're already confirmed for 202 or beyond: Carlos Sainz Jr., Ferrari (2022) Fernando Alonso, Alpine (2022) Lance Stroll, Aston Martin (2022+) Mick Schumacher, Haas (2022+) Nikita Mazepin, Haas (2022+) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (2023) Max Verstappen, Red Bull...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:27 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Who do you think it would be, then? Bear in mind that mikeyg123 said he would be the greatest to 'never drive a car capable of making a championship run', not the greatest to never make such a run himself. He hasn't even had the opportunity regardless of personal ability -- no one could have challe...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 208
Views: 11567

Re: Silly Season 2022

In a nutshell..... These are the drivers who're already confirmed for 202 or beyond: Carlos Sainz Jr., Ferrari (2022) Fernando Alonso, Alpine (2022) Lance Stroll, Aston Martin (2022+) Mick Schumacher, Haas (2022+) Nikita Mazepin, Haas (2022+) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (2023) Max Verstappen, Red Bull...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 34251

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

That is a narrative that we now know isn’t true because Verstappen had already surpassed Hamilton in speed in 2018 at the latest (but more realistically 2017). Perhaps in one lap pace but there is no way Verstappen was the superior race driver. Your previous crossover point of mid-2019 is fairer an...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:04 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 72
Views: 2653

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

The lifeline for Ricciardo is a totally new car for next year because he's clearly struggling with the car presently, to say the greatest driver never to make a title run with the limitations that he has, I'm not so sure. Who do you think it would be, then? Bear in mind that mikeyg123 said he would...
by pokerman
Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 34251

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

pokerman wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:37 pm
Mercedes quicker in qualifying, the race I can't call it, Max was quick in the sprint but got crashed out in the GP, so:-

Red Bull 13 - 6 Mercedes

This using AMuS GPS data just for the race.
Apparently both Mercedes and Red Bull are agreeing with AMuS so:-

Red Bull 14 - 6 Mercedes