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by pokerman
Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:44 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The Great Big 2021 A > B > C Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 17320

Re: The Great Big 2021 A > B > C Thread

I've moved this here as we were getting wildly off-topic. There is a thing called common sense do you think Webber is anywhere near as good as Alonso, because Rosberg had a poor rookie season against Webber you can't put that on Hamilton who had an outstanding rookie season against Alonso, elite dr...
by pokerman
Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision
Replies: 460
Views: 15303

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

I've read that Honda have taken Verstappen's engine from Silverstone to check for damage, though they believe that it is OK. This led me to think of an interesting situation though - had the engine been terminally damaged, Verstappen would have to take another, increasing his chances of exceeding t...
by pokerman
Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

So Red Bull are introducing a new dynamic to the argument now, money sitting the crash cost the £1.3 million. This is taking whinging and moaning to new levels Mr Horner. They will be sueing Pirelli next because the tyres don't last the race. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/57949190 This coupl...
by pokerman
Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

That's why you can't simply throw in numbers without context, saying that Webber was better than Rosberg when he was a rookie is the same as saying that Sainz is the equal of Max today, so how can Max be the best today when Leclerc is presently better than Sainz, Ignore more recent Hamilton > Butto...
by pokerman
Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

It's inaccurate if you are still using out of date 2014 data when newer better data is available, in the 2018 Mercedes/Ferrari season why are you declaring Hamilton and Vettel as equals when the data said that Hamilton was the fastest driver in F1, faster than Vettel and Alonso, why wasn't that ann...
by pokerman
Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:55 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision
Replies: 460
Views: 15303

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Verstappen chopped hamilton. There is no denying that. Those in denial simply show their bias against hamilton and are happy to see him fail. I feel this is very unfair and partisan. I have changed my mind on the incident as I misunderstood the longstanding convention of passing on the inside. If y...
by pokerman
Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:53 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision
Replies: 460
Views: 15303

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Despite the FIA saying that they don't take into account consequences, I'm skeptical about it. Not just for this incident but for any incident between two drivers. I know, but it would be a very slippery slope... How would they know that Hamilton would win the race in order to punish him more sever...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I went back to check this as I remember you at the time always being adamant that Hamilton wasn't quicker than Vettel. In this thread you state there's nothing between them. I'd guess you've changed your mind on that now? I ask because I assume back then you did many driver comparisons to come to t...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:59 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Qualifying data came out after 2015 showing Hamilton to be faster than Vettel, and validated in subsequent years 2016-2018, yet KingVoid in 2018 voted them as equal drivers, I guess he had no interest in the data back then. Funny how you are the exact opposite. You truly believed in the data back t...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

It wasn't fully justified, Ricciardo was seen as the equal of Hamilton because of his numbers against Vettel in 2014, to validate that there was a set level he needed to beat the Hulk by but he came up short, he not only came up short against the Hulk but he also came up short against Ocon the seas...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:25 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 20
Views: 1068

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

The lifeline for Ricciardo is a totally new car for next year because he's clearly struggling with the car presently, to say the greatest driver never to make a title run with the limitations that he has, I'm not so sure. Who do you think it would be, then? Bear in mind that mikeyg123 said he would...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Britain 2021
Replies: 15
Views: 601

Re: PF1 Forum teammate wars vote: Britain 2021

Lewis Hamilton - Hamilton on another level to Bottas however fair play on Bottas for helping Hamilton throughout the weekend, I'm not sure that was just because it was Hamilton's home ground although it sounds it might be the case for the rest of the season. Max Verstappen - Most people seem to thi...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Sprint Qualifying - first impressions?
Replies: 33
Views: 951

Re: Sprint Qualifying - first impressions?

So 21 votes in from keen & knowledgeable F1 fans with 76% of those who voted saying they don't like the new sprint format yet Ross Brawn is saying the fan love it & it's a success. I wonder if the fans he spoke to were also employees or guests of Liberty Media. The knowledgeable F1 fans are an irre...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 20
Views: 1068

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Out of interest if your top 3 are Leclarc, Max, Lewis. Whose the 4th ahead of Norris. I don't really see anyone else you can currently put there. Obviously Alonso is unknown but I don't think he could currently be placed above Norris. Yes that would be Alonso, if he's back to his best then Lando ha...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:05 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 173
Views: 10118

Re: Silly Season 2022

Enough of Hamilton's easy ride with Bottas. I've got a novel idea tho... Get George Russell in the Merc for 2022. Now why do I have this uneasy feeling, especially given how absolutely delighted Bottas is recently to play second fiddle to Lewis in terms of his demeanour and words in interviews afte...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:02 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 173
Views: 10118

Re: Silly Season 2022

Good points. If it's possible to extract him from his Merc contract would Russell take a Red Bull drive in 2022 or would he wait for Merc to see if they came back in 2023. On one hand the Merc drive is the better option. On the other there is no guarantee Merc won't pass on him again. RB are a 1 dr...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 20
Views: 1068

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Ricciardo is taking a colossal beating like Vettel did last year, Vettel was seen as one of the top guys after 2019 and fell out of the top 10 the year after, Ricciardo presently can't be seen as a top 10 driver, Norris will be probably get rated at #5 if it stays like this and Ricciardo is 3 tenths...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Wern't you one of the ones making the claims Vettel was quicker than Hamilton though? And that that season would prove it? As far as I am aware, no. Anyway, I used Jenson Button as a benchmark to calculate how Verstappen, Hamilton, Perez, and Bottas would stack up against each other, since Button i...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision
Replies: 460
Views: 15303

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Haha absolutely! I think the poll accurately describe the situation. If anyone is to blame it's Lewis, but we're content to have it be a racing incident. If they both suffered damage or Lewis didn't benefit from the red flag, it may not have been as big of a deal as it turned out to be. This is inc...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

It wasn't fully justified, Ricciardo was seen as the equal of Hamilton because of his numbers against Vettel in 2014, to validate that there was a set level he needed to beat the Hulk by but he came up short, he not only came up short against the Hulk but he also came up short against Ocon the seas...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

That's good enough for me. :) France-RB https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-formcheck-power-ranking-gp-frankreich-2021/ 5-2 to Red Bull Styria-RB https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/power-ranking-gp-steiermark-2021-formcheck-spielberg/ 6-2 to Red Bull Surely there's no doubt th...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:44 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Out of interest if you don't mind. What does the Max/Sainz/Lando equation give you? That chain suggests that Verstappen and Norris are equal, although Verstappen was only 17 at the time. Anyway, I don’t expect Perez to get any closer to Verstappen with time because I truly believe that this is the ...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:58 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Out of interest if you don't mind. What does the Max/Sainz/Lando equation give you? That chain suggests that Verstappen and Norris are equal, although Verstappen was only 17 at the time. Anyway, I don’t expect Perez to get any closer to Verstappen with time because I truly believe that this is the ...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:53 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Wern't you one of the ones making the claims Vettel was quicker than Hamilton though? And that that season would prove it? As far as I am aware, no. Anyway, I used Jenson Button as a benchmark to calculate how Verstappen, Hamilton, Perez, and Bottas would stack up against each other, since Button i...
by pokerman
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:47 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I remember when Ferrari and Mercedes were compared in 2018, a lot of people were saying that the drivers are not equal and making a difference. I feel the same way about this year. If the cars were identical, this is how I’d expect qualifying to go: 1. Verstappen 2. Hamilton (0.2s behind) 3. Bottas...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Mercedes quicker in qualifying, the race I can't call it, Max was quick in the sprint but got crashed out in the GP, so:-

Red Bull 13 - 6 Mercedes

This using AMuS GPS data just for the race.
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 641
Views: 32439

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

A.J. wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:59 pm
pokerman wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:51 pm
Today Mercedes were clearly faster in qualifying.
Still waiting for your link for the Honda engine being 0.25s a lap faster than the Mercedes engine...
Found it again.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/honda-not ... on-engine/
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 490
Views: 15412

Re: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread

I'd just like to post this here to exonerate the British crown (sorry if it's been posted already). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFkPVMmsu8&t=77s Far bigger cheers when he climbed out the car than when the crash occurred and an ovation that lasted a minute by the time the video stopped. Indeed ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 490
Views: 15412

Re: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread

So which set of fans would post racist abuse towards Lewis Hamilton then I wonder? . If ever you wanted to motivate someone that would be the way, I'd suggest. My thought was that it was Hamilton drawing a line in the sand. Surprised at the whinging and suggestions of a race ban by RB and others. V...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 490
Views: 15412

Re: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread

Max turned right. In a right-handed corner. He left more than a car's width, which Lewis drifted wide in and hit him. Max turned right whilst Lewis was alongside him. He had plenty of room to take a slightly wider line but he chose to turn more sharply, which caused the incident. Max has only himse...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 490
Views: 15412

Re: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread

Nope. Nothing in the rules says he has to leave Hamilton the whole track. He is allowed to try and make it difficult. Hamilton understeered into him and caused the crash. I'm sure Max blames him as did the stewards . You're basically admitting that Max squeezed Hamilton going into a 180mph corner. ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 490
Views: 15412

Re: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread

But don't let the facts get in the way of the British fans are jerks narrative you want to spin. While I would think you're referring to the fans at Silverstone - I assume you have watched the Euros or at least read newspaper reports of everything that happened around it, right? Not exactly a spin ...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 173
Views: 10118

Re: Silly Season 2022

Russell to Red Bull Perez to Williams Ticktum replaces Latiffi Bottas stays at Mercedes Latifi is 2 years into a 3 year contract. :lol: :lol: :lol: That's the bit that won't happen. Mazeoin and Latiffi should get together and start a new team named "Billionaire". Yeah that would leave more room for...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Will Hamilton reach his century of wins in 2021?
Replies: 49
Views: 2710

Re: Will Hamilton reach his century of wins in 2021?

Right more on topic I believe the title should be changed from Will to When will. :)
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:10 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Will Hamilton reach his century of wins in 2021?
Replies: 49
Views: 2710

Re: Will Hamilton reach his century of wins in 2021?

Well, as long as he has an obedient team mate (funny how no one cries about team orders when Lewis is the beneficiary) and as long as he keeps punting Max off then 100+ is easily achieveable. Yeah well you know were is the crying when Perez jumps out of the way of Max which is twice thus far this s...
by pokerman
Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:44 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 173
Views: 10118

Re: Silly Season 2022

mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:09 pm
Russell to Red Bull

Perez to Williams

Ticktum replaces Latiffi

Bottas stays at Mercedes
Latifi is 2 years into a 3 year contract.
by pokerman
Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 173
Views: 10118

Re: Silly Season 2022

It's hard to know what to believe a lot of these rumours end up not being true.
by pokerman
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision
Replies: 460
Views: 15303

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Really? I did not know that. Do you have a link to what he said? He admitted it to Wolff and Hamilton right after the race after which Hamilton blew his top and told the press what Rosberg had said. Did Wolff and Lauda confirm that Rosberg admitted he did it on purpose? I know Hamilton said so, and...
by pokerman
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?
Replies: 114
Views: 3878

Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

I keep reading this not making the Apex but is it actually a rule? I think the rule is about "trying" to make the apex - as one would when racing normally. It'd be appreciated if you could find this rule, I've never seen it. As for the topic, I don't think it'll change anything. It wouldn't surpris...