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One thing that bothers me about the Max/Lewis debate is that many of the arguments for Lewis being better are not actually based on skill, but on legacy. For instance, Lewis has won a title for two different teams. Max has never had a realistic opportunity at achieving this. It’s not like he has an...

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Just at face value that tells you the Ferrari was quicker because of the drivers involved plus you mentioned race fuelled qualifying but then are happy to take the poles at face value. In the races Ferrari had 13 fastest laps, McLaren just 3, this a period of time when fastest laps meant something,...

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Hamilton put the car on pole 7 times and Kovaleinen once out of 18 races. That is the same as the Ferrari drivers combined total of 8 poles. Still you maintain that the car was nowhere. Just at face value that tells you the Ferrari was quicker because of the drivers involved plus you mentioned race...

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No, I think it's an attempt by Ferrari to get the best team possible. I also think it might be a mistake. Now, I'm not about to suggest that Hamilton is at the same level now as Kimi in 2014 -- but to me, this feels the same as bringing Kimi in to partner Alonso at the start of the hybrid era. Ferr...

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Are we being influenced by the last 4 races here, before the season started I was reading things like Leclerc would dig a grave for Hamilton while Sainz had been looking slower than Leclerc season after season, why not this thread before the season started? slower (or at least "not as quick") maybe...

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One bash comment V one bash comment for every time you reply. Also, Hamilton did do a bad thing. That's just a fact. You should be pleased when looking for a bad thing Hamilton has done people have to reach back 15 years. My problem is how it was initially wrongly reported. Which has now been clear...

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Do Lewis and Charles and a long and intense rivalry that I'm unaware of? Has Charles shown, without a doubt, that he can win a championship? Seems to me the situations are different enough for it to make sense for Ferrari but not Red Bull. Leclerc, like Norris (maybe even to a greater extent), has ...

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We have been here before. What can Red Bull possibly gain by contracting Hamilton except a whole lot of hassle and a huge salary bill to boot? Which seemingly wasn't a problem for Ferrari, it has a bit of a feel of a driver being protected, no to Hamilton, Alonso and Leclerc it seems. Exactly that....

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Is it much of a revelation? Red Bull have taken exceptional measures to ensure they keep Verstappen in the past. It's hard to see a reason why they would risk losing him unless there is a better option. Neither 40+ Alonso or Hamilton are long term options at all let alone being better long term opt...

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We have been here before. What can Red Bull possibly gain by contracting Hamilton except a whole lot of hassle and a huge salary bill to boot? Which seemingly wasn't a problem for Ferrari, it has a bit of a feel of a driver being protected, no to Hamilton, Alonso and Leclerc it seems. Exactly that....

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Is it much of a revelation? Red Bull have taken exceptional measures to ensure they keep Verstappen in the past. It's hard to see a reason why they would risk losing him unless there is a better option. Neither 40+ Alonso or Hamilton are long term options at all let alone being better long term opt...

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We have been here before. What can Red Bull possibly gain by contracting Hamilton except a whole lot of hassle and a huge salary bill to boot? Which seemingly wasn't a problem for Ferrari, it has a bit of a feel of a driver being protected, no to Hamilton, Alonso and Leclerc it seems. Exactly that....

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We have been here before. What can Red Bull possibly gain by contracting Hamilton except a whole lot of hassle and a huge salary bill to boot? Which seemingly wasn't a problem for Ferrari, it has a bit of a feel of a driver being protected, no to Hamilton, Alonso and Leclerc it seems. Do Lewis and ...

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You realise if you didn't keep trying to defend him you'd cut the line of conversation stone dead. So just feel free to bash away, how many times does he have to drag up liegate, his original version being a false one at that. One bash comment V one bash comment for every time you reply. Also, Hami...

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No to a 40+ Hamilton and Alonso. There is no suggestion than Leclerc was available to them. Ferrari don't have an asset like Verstappen to ensure they keep hold of so it's much easier for them. I've now read the article and it doesn't say that Red Bull turned down Leclerc, however it's interesting ...

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Except for the bit in bold, nothing else is relevant to the point I made. As for the bit in bold, a grown man cheating because someone told him to do so reflects really poorly on that man. Well you know it doesn't really surprise me how you would keep on drumming up something that happened with Ham...

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I think Verstappen spent a few seasons as a rough diamond, which is understandable given his age. Fast but ragged. I'm thinking moments like the overtake around the outside of Blanchemont, and his Monaco debut (albeit ending in the wall), as things that got the attention very early in his career. V...

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Are we being influenced by the last 4 races here, before the season started I was reading things like Leclerc would dig a grave for Hamilton while Sainz had been looking slower than Leclerc season after season, why not this thread before the season started?

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We have been here before. What can Red Bull possibly gain by contracting Hamilton except a whole lot of hassle and a huge salary bill to boot? Which seemingly wasn't a problem for Ferrari, it has a bit of a feel of a driver being protected, no to Hamilton, Alonso and Leclerc it seems. No to a 40+ H...

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Not in the same vein that Lewis has repeatedly done over the years. Pretty much since the start of his career if you're honest. When the going is good he's a great team man for the PR, but the moment things go south Lewis is quick to start pointing fingers. It's a pattern throughout his career, whe...

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But unlike Leclerc, Lewis throws his team under the bus every chance he gets. I bet Ferrari can't wait for Lewis' detailed car drawing for next year's challenger :lol: You don't hear the Ferrari drivers criticising their car, that's interesting. Not in the same vein that Lewis has repeatedly done o...

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Because he is a younger prospect. What would RB gain from getting Hamilton or Alonso ? RB is just doing the sensible thing. No need to spin it like Verstappen is making these decisions... What about Leclerc, the explanation from Horner about Hamilton had nothing to do with his age, it seemed to be ...

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Because he is a younger prospect. What would RB gain from getting Hamilton or Alonso ? RB is just doing the sensible thing. No need to spin it like Verstappen is making these decisions... What about Leclerc, the explanation from Horner about Hamilton had nothing to do with his age, it seemed to be ...

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Because he is a younger prospect. What would RB gain from getting Hamilton or Alonso ? RB is just doing the sensible thing. No need to spin it like Verstappen is making these decisions... What about Leclerc, the explanation from Horner about Hamilton had nothing to do with his age, it seemed to be ...

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Because he is a younger prospect. What would RB gain from getting Hamilton or Alonso ? RB is just doing the sensible thing. No need to spin it like Verstappen is making these decisions... What about Leclerc, the explanation from Horner about Hamilton had nothing to do with his age, it seemed to be ...

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Interesting if true and of course would make total sense. “Carlos Sainz has been chosen by Mercedes as Lewis Hamilton’s replacement for the 2025 F1 season, according to Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport.” https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046710/1/rumours-swirl-italy-mercedes-have-chosen-lewis-ha...

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This seems a lot more likely to me - https://twitter.com/SportmphMark/status/1778726142565896375 Yeah It's believable amongst all the rumours and counter rumours, it does make you wonder why Norris passed the litmus test though, do they have to run it past Verstappen? Because he is a younger prospe...

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The might have the 4th best car or the car might be better, but Mercedes and its drivers just can't get the setup right. When you start seeing comments such as "don't mess it up", there is clearly more to the car than just the result this is achieved on race day. It is funny how Verstappen and Red ...

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You are arguing about races that you openly admit to not even remembering...absurd. Hamilton won 5 races out of 18 in 2008. 2 of those needed rain in which the Ferrari pair drove poorly. After winning the first race, the Mclaren was probably the better car in 2 or 3 of the remaining 17 races that s...

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No, from memory, Montezemolo said as early as Monaco 2008 that if Alonso came to Ferrari, they couldn't have a world champion in the other car. Massa was safe. What if Massa had won the title in 2008, perhaps you mean 2009, from my recollection Alonso joining Ferrari wasn't public knowledge until a...

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This seems a lot more likely to me - https://twitter.com/SportmphMark/status/1778726142565896375 Yeah It's believable amongst all the rumours and counter rumours, it does make you wonder why Norris passed the litmus test though, do they have to run it past Verstappen? I guess what they don't want i...

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This seems a lot more likely to me - https://twitter.com/SportmphMark/status/1778726142565896375 Yeah It's believable amongst all the rumours and counter rumours, it does make you wonder why Norris passed the litmus test though, do they have to run it past Verstappen? Because he is a younger prospe...

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Leclerc has come out and publicly said he is underperforming in qualifying and suspects it is due to the way he is preparing his tyres. He promises to work on it and get better. Lewis has come out and blamed the team/designers/car/everything except himself. See a pattern there? Last year Hamilton s...

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Just this. I wish I could frame this comment and repeat it ad nauseam to anyone who asks why people get annoyed by Lewis. Just not that, it bears no relation to what you originally said. Didn't look "much quicker" in the final stint; he got closer due to Russell getting stuck behind Piastri. For me...

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No, it wouldn’t because both drivers can perform below expectations in a given weekend. So Mercedes don't really have at best the 4th quickest car, it's just the drivers performing poorly and they're being protected by Wolff who is quite happy to throw the team/car at the wall. The might have the 4...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:28 am
This seems a lot more likely to me - https://twitter.com/SportmphMark/status ... 2565896375

Yeah It's believable amongst all the rumours and counter rumours, it does make you wonder why Norris passed the litmus test though, do they have to run it past Verstappen?

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If true it would indeed be very odd. he doesn’t want to get his butt kicked by his teammate in his last year in F1. not so odd to me I don't imagine him wanting that less than he wants an opportunity to bag a couple of wins after a decade. Nobody will think badly of a 44 year old Alonso getting bea...

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That Massa used to be quick over one lap does not mean very much. See the discussion around Leclerc why that is a whole lot less important than you make it out to be. Also, weren't the 2008 regulations that qualifying was with fuel loads for the first stint? You are arguing about races that you ope...

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What better way to show the team they were getting rid of a world champion? He was already out qualifying Massa before he knew his fate, I daresay if Massa had not got injured it would have been Massa that got let go, that would have been far cheaper for Ferrari. No, from memory, Montezemolo said a...

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How does those comments on drivers relate to car quality? How can you know the car quality if you don't know the level of the drivers, you look to dismiss Kovalainen as a total scrub with the McLaren being far better than we might imagine. I'm not looking to dismiss Heikki at all; I genuinely wonde...

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