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Slightly better sound, sparks... You can put make up on a pig, it's still a pig.

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I'm not saying the car is irrelevant, i'm saying that in the modern day world the noise an engine makes is irrelevant . Sorry to inform you of this but you can't say in 2004 forever. I disagree. The noise is a very big part of racing. The noise and the speed is what got me into racing. That was bac...

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I'm not saying the car is irrelevant, i'm saying that in the modern day world the noise an engine makes is irrelevant . Sorry to inform you of this but you can't say in 2004 forever. I disagree. The noise is a very big part of racing. The noise and the speed is what got me into racing. That was bac...

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One thing's for certain, you'll never see a 2014 F1 car in one of these "best car sounds" videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grOnkjsp8FM irrelevant. You can't have your cake and eat it, and unfortunately petrol is running out. Loud engines like this will be gone completely at some point (proba...

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It was the fresh ideas that made it start falling apart in the first place. They were prepared to sacrifice the core fans to bring in a bunch of greenies and hipsters but they won't come, at least not as many as they hope for. Had they liked racing they would already have been watching. The few they...

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I don't buy the superior reflexes argument because it's mostly a myth. I read a few years ago that research has shown that the they deteroriate much less that previously though, almost negligible up to about 60 years. On top of that F1 drivers do not have better reflexes than anyone else there is a ...

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First we have radical feminists claiming that women can do everything just as good as men (but they still need help getting on exec boards) now we want to have them segregated in sports to give them a better start. Eating the cookie and having it? I'm a full, card-carrying, penis-having member of t...

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First we have radical feminists claiming that women can do everything just as good as men (but they still need help getting on exec boards) now we want to have them segregated in sports to give them a better start. Eating the cookie and having it?

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We must embrace change.

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To me personally it boils down to three(main) reasons.

Engines, F1 has never been particularly road relevant. F1 cars should be roaring fire breathing monsters. Does anybody think that Drag Race buffs think engines are irrelevant?

DRS, convoluted.

Tires that artificially go off.

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They are also lugging around a heavier battery than last year, that unlike a fuel tank does not get lighter as it is depleted.

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I think PuP:s would add to the spectacle.

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I am all for it, after all we must ... stay road relevant. Perhaps one of our U.S. colleagues can enlighten me but does everyone over there insist that e.g. NASCAR or Indycar stays road relevant? Do people running the America's Cup insist that the technology is relevant to the pleasure cruise set? ...

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I am all for it, after all we must embrace change and stay road relevant.

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In races where there could be fuel limitation on the performance, they could allow optional refuelling with a certain number of laps to go. Fuel limited to one 15kg can handled by two men. Then the cars with better economy can run without stopping and the other cars can run flat out and make a pit ...

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Super Mario Kart, coming Europe we will se painted symbols on the track with sensors beneath. If you run them over while am indicator is lit on the steering wheel you'll get a free 10 s. remap to gain some extra hp...

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Cut every Race down to 260 km, problem solved. Then they can increase fuel flow without redesigning the cars. Do F1 fans really want to see shorter races? It won't be that much shorter. If they had so little fuel that in order to run at 15000 rpm they would have to cut the race distance by 25% or m...

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Cut every Race down to 260 km, problem solved. Then they can increase fuel flow without redesigning the cars. Do F1 fans really want to see shorter races? It won't be that much shorter. If they had so little fuel that in order to run at 15000 rpm they would have to cut the race distance by 25% or m...

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Cut every Race down to 260 km, problem solved. Then they can increase fuel flow without redesigning the cars.

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Seems to be PS is spewing a lot of PK BS. Social responsibility bla blaha... Well shuffle the calendar to save a couple of flights and cut down on the night races for starters. Until then the 40 kg/car/race is nothing but window dressing.

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Fatter rubbers? On the contrary, wider tires have more roll resistance thus increase fuel consumption. Width should be reduced by at least 20%, we want to keep the series road relevat right?

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Thank you. More empirical evidence, that to me, points in the same direction. Unexciting as you say. I am hopeful things will improve. Most involved in F1 are motorheads- so there is reason for hope. That's not empirical evidence, that's recording of empirical data. It helps give the characteristic...

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I don't buy the rubbish about the engines being how they are because manufacturers are refusing to enter F1 because the old engines didn't relate to current road engines (the Audi example is poor, as they have V8's and V10's in their line up). Just because Mr Plod drives a 1.6 litre buzz box doesn'...

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All of the following have been met with mass vitriol the likes of which I've only ever seen in F1 following a stink like botched team-orders or blatant cheating: Double points Ridiculous looking cars Quiet engines So my question is, in an era when apparently F1 is trying to acknowledge the fans des...

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I don't know a single petrolhead who isn't impressed by the V12:s, V10:s and to some extent the V8:s. It might not be their favourite note they might prefer growling big displacement V8:s but impressed they are and to them it's music.. If the new sound attracts fans then most of them will be "Dancin...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI Fantastic sound comparison. It is absolutely incredible, the difference between the V8 and the V6 engines. Great example. that really shows it however I may go against the grain and say - I think franky they were TOO loud before - just ridiculous. And the...

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The world of automobiles is changing, like it or not, and F1 had to keep up with the times. The fact is that a very small minority of the world enjoyed the loud noise (myself included), but it's just like smoking. Even smokers recognize that their habit can be damaging to other people, so they make...

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Any ideas on how they can raise the engine sounds? Larger exhausts? Twin exhausts? I like the tone of the sound but they need an amplifier or something! Microphone? but as the guy from Audi said, loud engine = wasted energy The very loud V10s were putting out about 900hp, so where's all that wasted...

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F1 is supposed to be a sport and a spectacle. It adds very little to humanity except entertainment. The same could be said about Football, Music and a score of other things. Being a sport and a show the experience is about emotions as much as anything else. Many fans want a visceral experience, as h...

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You know, all that bickering about sound, and I can't help but think of the drivers who were subjected to as much as dozen hours of deafening noise each racing weekend. Now their work place is a bit more bearable and yet it seems 'fans' don't care about well being of their favourites at all. I am t...

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I seriously doubt there's a clause about how loud it should be. If anything they'd have a clause about it not exceeding a certain dB limit. I doubt it too but I don't think a fixed value on the sound level is what they are banking on but rather that the value of the show has been diminished in gene...

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I seriously doubt there's a clause about how loud it should be. If anything they'd have a clause about it not exceeding a certain dB limit. Which is what the Australians have been complaining about for years, how loud it is. Ironic really. Australians or certain groups i Australia? Whenever there i...

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This is exactly what the FIA needs - a reaction from those whole actually stage the races. They should be listened to, as they're on the front line, dealing with the actual fans in person, and not via some third-party survey group. If I was a track owner, I would be livid - especially if these chan...

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I've never been to a GP, but seen alot of people in the stands previous years wearing earplugs. Well, remove those this year and you are back to the same volume. More or less. No you won't. When I was in Jerez and later in Barcelona the roar was deafening during the warm up when I got out of the ca...

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These watered down pc engines are nothing like the old V6 monsters. If they upped the rev limit to 16000 and increased max fuel and fuel flow by let's say 10-15% they could still pretend to be green and we'd get a slightly better show.

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Sorry to highjack this thread, but I dont see why they have the Fuel Flow sensor in the first place. Surely if you are given a set amount of fuel per race (100kg), then it must be the team & drivers responsibility on how they manage it. If they want to pump a load of fuel into the engine to get mor...

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These engines sound like the CART series engine before the series went belly up. I don't think so. Yes it's a bit similar but the CART engines had a rawer harsher note. They sounded more aggressive imo. I don't like these engines and never will. I know that the they say that going green was not the...

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F1 is digging it's own grave. First the change to watered down PC engines and now this. If they wan't to attract the casual viewers they need to stop introducing needlessly complicated rules. Already I have a hard time explaining to my friends that you can't carry a laptime from Q2 to Q3. Just put t...

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When the guy said hydrogen I don't think he meant a fuel cell but a car that uses hydrogen as fuel in an IC. That could be done, we aren't talking about enormous quantities here.

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There is nothing wrong with a small engines in F1. As long as they are internal combustion and as long as they are powerful enough to push the tires past the limit, and of course that they sound nasty. My biggest problem with next year is initially the low maximum rpm and now after hearing about it...

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