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by F1Tyrant
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

This is Max being Max, not willing to give an inch even when it's clear he's at a disadvantage and relying on intimidation to force the other guy to lift because there's no way he's going to yield, but in this instance, he tried to intimidate the wrong driver on the wrong day, whilst helping said d...
by F1Tyrant
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 59
Views: 2395

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Vettel Fan wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:00 pm
Never should have ran from Max.
Ricciardo ran away from being Webber'd which seemed inevitable after Baku 2018. Most would argue that such a role is beneath him as he has very good if not elite pace.
by F1Tyrant
Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:59 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Mercedes Diagram-gate

Interesting developments on the diagram provided by Mercedes to the stewards at Silverstone in defence of Hamilton's move. Here is the diagram: https://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/220209071_210045274433908_2733492169013680693_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=eFHnw8qfIT...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

So in this incident (Leclerc/Verstappen in Austria 2019), had Leclerc simply turned into the corner and headed on a line that took him a car's width from the apex, Verstappen would have been entirely to blame for the inevitable resulting contact? Yes absolutely, Leclerc was entitled to take a sharp...
by F1Tyrant
Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 203
Views: 11408

Re: Silly Season 2022

I can't see Hamilton letting Mercedes do this, he has had a much tougher season against Verstappen than he was expecting and next season he will want as little competition from his own team mate as possible. Certainly not the level of competition he will get from Russell. It doesn't matter what Ham...
by F1Tyrant
Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The Great Big 2021 A > B > C Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 17773

Re: The Great Big 2021 A > B > C Thread

I've moved this here as we were getting wildly off-topic. There is a thing called common sense do you think Webber is anywhere near as good as Alonso, because Rosberg had a poor rookie season against Webber you can't put that on Hamilton who had an outstanding rookie season against Alonso, elite dri...
by F1Tyrant
Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 662
Views: 34067

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

That is a narrative that we now know isn’t true because Verstappen had already surpassed Hamilton in speed in 2018 at the latest (but more realistically 2017). Perhaps in one lap pace but there is no way Verstappen was the superior race driver. Your previous crossover point of mid-2019 is fairer an...
by F1Tyrant
Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:43 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 662
Views: 34067

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

2021 - equal or Red Bull by a small margin I'm glad you concede the Red Bull may have a small margin this season. If the Mercedes was superior to the tune of 1-2 tenths to the point where Verstappen's driving ability would entirely be making the difference most of the races would look like France a...
by F1Tyrant
Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:14 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

The rules were overhauled and refined considerably in 2014 so the 1994 rules are as good as toilet paper these days. Similar principals are considered, but TODAY (NOT 1994) BOTH CARS must leave space but a driver making any attempt to pass having just a sliver of the endplate of their front wing al...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:28 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 59
Views: 2395

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

2022 is make or break for him. Ricciardo might get dumped by McLaren even if well matched with Norris, they are paying him a decent wage for little gain.
by F1Tyrant
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:05 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Verstappen chopped hamilton. There is no denying that. Those in denial simply show their bias against hamilton and are happy to see him fail. I feel this is very unfair and partisan. I have changed my mind on the incident as I misunderstood the longstanding convention of passing on the inside. Unde...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:46 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 662
Views: 34067

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I remember when Ferrari and Mercedes were compared in 2018, a lot of people were saying that the drivers are not equal and making a difference. I think it's fair to say both the Red Bull and Mercedes are difficult to drive quickly and I do think Perez is struggling with the handling of the car in a...
by F1Tyrant
Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Corner speed aside & keeping in mind that at one point Hamilton was virtually level with Verstappen, by how much does this incident differ from Verstappens pass on Leclerc in Austria in 2019? Verstappen is level at the apex whereas Hamilton was dropping back very quickly after corner entry. Would H...
by F1Tyrant
Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:18 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

I could be wrong but I think the "Assailant in the wrong" image assumes the driver on the inside is coming forward from behind when they make contact , much like what Senna did to Prost in Suzuka in 1990. The accident on the weekend wasn't like this. It was much closer to the "Defender in the wrong...
by F1Tyrant
Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:34 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

If that's what you think, you don't understand the rules, or racing etiquette. I understand to longstanding rules on attacking the inside line as detailed here from the 1994 Williams-Renault Formula 1 Motor Racing Book. https://f1metrics.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/f1racingrules1.png Source: F1Metr...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

That's the thing though Max can never be submissive but it's alright for Hamilton to be submissive time after time, you have 2 Max's racing against one another, how many races do they both finish, I'm guessing not many. Hamilton had every right not to back out the next time he got squeezed by Verst...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

That would be were Hamilton as the car in front went wide in order to avoid the collision. Yes but Hamilton made the decision to avoid contact to fight another day. However, Hamilton was hot headed at Silverstone and couldn't keep his line. Needs to take this one on the chin, he messed up and Verst...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

...but it's the summary that when Max turned back in again he must have know that Hamilton was still on his inside but he was basically saying it's up to you whether we crash or not so you better back out, as I said as always Max being over aggressive. It would be aggressive if he hadn't left a car...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:16 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

pokerman wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:07 pm
Which Hamilton felt wasn't enough.
His opinion mattered in Imola, closely followed by Spain but not at Copse.
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Whilst you're apparently allowed to drive across another car that can't vanish. As Sunday proved it isn't the best course of action. Hamilton went in too hot and wasn't alongside at the apex where these things matter. Do you honestly expect Verstappen to have just allowed him to understeer up his i...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?
Replies: 114
Views: 4155

Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

Hamilton has said that he will no longer yield to Verstappen's aggressive moves... the accident Sunday punctuates that. Notice served. Problem is that the Copse move categorically wasn't an aggressive move from Verstappen, he actually gave Hamilton the apex and Hamilton still went in too hot and un...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mick in his dad's Jordan
Replies: 12
Views: 549

Re: Mick in his dad's Jordan

That 7UP Jordan is a beaut...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

I never said Hamilton did it by intention, I just said if something goes wrong you’re on the inside and not going to come off worst. It was clumsy for a racer of his experience. Similar to Verstappen, he made a move to avoid Hamilton too before going back with the right lock (whilst looking in the ...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Racing like that takes such a high cognitive load and decisions are made on a second by second basis. I doubt there was any calculation beyond deciding to not let up and putting his car in what ultimately was a bit of an ambitious position - it was ambitious but not entirely bone headed - although ...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:54 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

That is the long game no? Hamilton was on the inside, there is no scenario in which he can come out of that worse. If they make contact, the car on the outside will come off worse, 80-90% of the time. You can also be calculated when taking big risks. There isn't really any scenario where if they do...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

That's why I view it as a racing incident. Max was judging the space based on his own line - but Hamilton's natural line was wider, and Hamilton's understeer occurred because Max took this line - but could have anticipated this and angled his car accordingly. The more I look at the incident, the mo...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:07 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?
Replies: 114
Views: 4155

Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

While certainly not an expert here, I have seen lots of opinion that the RB car is a bear to drive (rather twitchy) and the combination of it and someone who can master it is a winning combination. That sounds like a quite logical explanation. I also think Verstappen should get credit for how he's ...
by F1Tyrant
Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:10 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?
Replies: 114
Views: 4155

Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

If you think a driver with no championship to his name is going to teach a lesson to a F3 champion, F2 champion and 7x F1 champion, you are the one dreaming. Verstappen is in his 8th season of single seaters. Hamilton's 8th season in single seaters was... 2007. I daresay Verstappen is performing at...
by F1Tyrant
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:25 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?
Replies: 114
Views: 4155

Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

What they could not have foreseen, is that Hamilton would end up becoming the Rosberg in 2021. I don't have too many problems with this comparison. However, I doubt Verstappen has the margin on Hamilton than Hamilton had on Rosberg. Also, they are driving different cars. There are still a lot of qu...
by F1Tyrant
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:16 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?
Replies: 114
Views: 4155

Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

I'm going to go against the grain and say that Verstappen will continue as he has started and simply not trust Hamilton on his inside. He knows the package he has is better and I think he'll now clearly defend the inside and make Hamilton go the long way every time. Any aggressive response will sure...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:16 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

I don't understand why this is all on Verstappen? It's Hamilton that took too much speed into the corner given the circumstances and understeered into Max. Max played by the rules here. Both drivers took huge risks going into that corner. Hamilton is way more at fault, I'd say 80/20 and both the ju...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:32 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Anyway, the problem is that even if Lewis earned the right for space alongside Max, it's that Max LEFT HIM SPACE. Yes, he left him the space to continue safely and likely lose the race. Hamilton took more speed and when Verstappen didn't account for that and run even wider they collided Verstappen ...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:09 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Hamiltons front wheel hit Verstappen’s rear wheel, not his sidepod. It’s diagram B Point of contact isn't the salient point of the diagram, it's relative to the car position on corner entry which matches C. Hamilton backed out a touch but not enough to avoid a collision, he'd earned the right to be...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:41 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

There are 3 diagrams in that section (all visually very similar, as the words are the important part), one shows a case where the attacker (in this case Hamilton) is at fault. One shows a case where the defender (in this case Verstappen) is at fault. The final one shows where it would be a racing i...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:22 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 662
Views: 34067

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

Bahrain - Red Bull Emilia Romagna - Draw Portugal - Mercedes Spain - Mercedes Monaco - Red Bull Azerbaijan - Red Bull France - Mercedes Austria (1) - Red Bull Austria (2) - Red Bull Britain - Draw 5-3 to Red Bull. This weeks' race would have been nearly impossible to judge without the sprint race wh...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Uncharacteristic errors from Hamilton and Verstappen
Replies: 439
Views: 17723

Re: Uncharacteristic errors from Hamilton and Verstappen

Hamilton’s racecraft is incredibly overrated. He’s either overly cautious or stupidly clumsy. He doesn’t know how to walk the line like Alonso and Verstappen do. It's true that Hamilton isn't as good at wheel to wheel racing as he was 5 or 6 years ago but Verstappen has rightly got a reputation as ...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 534
Views: 19022

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Racing incident but can see Hamilton at fault. Voted for Hamilton accordingly.
by F1Tyrant
Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:32 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 490
Views: 15913

Re: 2021 British Grand Prix Race Thread

Given the overhead frame which showed Hamilton more than one car width away from the apex when colliding with Verstappen and Le Clerc right on the apex in the same shot it's actually hard for me to think that the collision was anything other than with intent. I have always held respect for Hamiton ...