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by F1Tyrant
Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Games
Topic: 2021 Pick 10 Competition
Replies: 43
Views: 1441

Re: 2021 Pick 10 Competition

Imola
  1. Verstappen
  2. Hamilton
  3. Perez
  4. Bottas
  5. Ricciardo
  6. Leclerc
  7. Sainz
  8. Gasly
  9. Alonso
  10. Tsunoda
by F1Tyrant
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:09 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Siao7 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:58 pm
Hamilton didn't miss 7 races in 2016, please stop making a nonsense comparison.
It's not nonsensical. In races they both entered, Irvine scored more points despite being utterly outperformed by Schumacher.
by F1Tyrant
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:05 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

32-32 was the score between Irvine and Schumacher leaving Silverstone at mid season. Then Irvine 14 vs Michael’s 12 in the final two races. 46-44. I'm really not sure how I miscalculated. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The point I am making is, if a top driver has a unlucky season they can be out scored by a lesser dri...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Context is everything, as is what you emit. That same man you refer to whitewashed Schumacher which gave me a laugh reading that. I've been extremely uncharitable to Hamilton suggesting he would be swept by Schumacher. I got the wrong end of the stick with Invade's post. I don't think Schumacher ha...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:02 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

I think Hamilton on 2011 form would certainly have lost to a teammate as strong as Schumacher. But I also think 2011 was very unrepresentative of Hamilton's overall quality, and he crushed Button on pace in their final year together. If you were to make the argument that Schumi was more consistent ...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Not sure how anyone can conclude it would be a Schumacher clean sweep, considering Schumacher was never really tested by an outright quality teammate (unless you subscribe to the theory that Rubens was just as good as Fernando). As Invade says, a small but decisive edge often leads to a clean sweep...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:50 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

In the end, it hinges on how big a gap there actually is between the two. Is it a la Hamilton-Vettel', Hamilton-Rosberg? If so, then whoever is the Vettel or Rosberg in the comparison will find it very difficult to win without at least a small car advantage, but then Rosberg managed it in the same ...
by F1Tyrant
Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Hands up if since reading / contributing to this thread, you've changed your mind over who's the best out of MS and LH? I've shifted from a position of it being a toss-up with Schumacher prevailing over time to a narrow but consistent Schumacher edge. Although, I'd put this down to team dynamics an...
by F1Tyrant
Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:05 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

It's a fact that Hamilton has beaten a better cast of characters within his own team (Alonso, Button, Rosberg) and a better driver than Mika (Vettel), the best rival the grid had to offer Schumacher during his best years, in another team. I truly hate to sound like myattitude but Barrichello was cl...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

The notion that Hamilton is mentally weak is one of the most absurd currently being pedalled in all of sport on the internet right now - lol. Acting out? Sure. Sometimes volatile? Yes. Mentally weak? No. To clarify my stance, Hamilton is very mentally strong and determined but until about 2018, he ...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6950

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

Some people have decided that Verstappen is the fastest driver in the history of mankind because of the way he handles his teammates. There is a movement that wants to paint Max Verstappen as the second coming of Schumacher rather than the guy actually matching and surpassing his records (who they ...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Vowles, Meadows, Cole, Shovlin (amongst other names) were there when Schumacher was. And these are some of people that said the very same thing we are discussing, that he helped them improve and set the basis for this team. I've just listened to the foursome in their Beyond The Grid episode and I m...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

So you have an issue with someone getting apparently extra credit (for something he did) and not being blamed for something that he didn't do wrong. I just find this bizarre. I concede when put in those terms it is bizarre. I suppose it's just the fickle nature of timing in this sport. I don't thin...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Siao7 wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm
We can't start having a go at people for things they didn't do!
Who is having a go? All I'm saying is that his efforts at Mercedes would have had little impact on his legacy at the time he left in 2012 and he gets extra credit since Mercedes rise in 2014.
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

...judging him on something that hasn't happened, that's just reaching. The timing of his 2012 retirement allowed him to have his cake and eat it. If Mercedes succeeded, he was instrumental in the foundations of that success. If Mercedes failed, he was too far removed from the process to feel any n...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:04 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

Why is it difficult to say that he was instrumental in building up this team when he was there from the beginning and got them to raise the funding which in the end brought massive success? My main issue is that Schumacher gets a lot of credit in hindsight but absolutely none of the blame in the co...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:16 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

We saw as recently as 7 months ago how Hamilton descends into conspiracy theories and blaming others when results don't go his way. This isn't something he grows out of, this is an actual character trait. Hamilton hasn't galvanised Merc since 2017 beyond "well done guys you're awesome", the team wa...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)
Replies: 979
Views: 24949

Re: Hamilton vs Schumacher and their contemporaries (split from Official Hamilton Thread)

But that wasn't the point of the post, which was to highlight Schumacher's contribution to Mercedes's success today, that team building trait which Hamilton (or anyone else) doesn't hold a candle to. Only two people in F1 history are this instrumental in building dominant teams more than once - one...
by F1Tyrant
Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6950

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

pokerman wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:52 pm
Was there a teammate that didn't beat DC whether that be Hill, Hakkinen, Kimi or Webber.
Coulthard beat Christian Klien so there's that! 8O
by F1Tyrant
Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6950

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

Question on the Raikkonen-McLaren era - is there anything to suggest he was actually better at that point and he failed to reach that level 2007 onwards? Is it possible he just looked a lot better 2003-06 because he was in a car that was actually quicker than generally agreed on at the time? Raikko...
by F1Tyrant
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:18 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6950

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

This never seems to happen in F1. Just because driver A beat driver B a certain number of years ago and now driver B is beating driver C, it doesn't necessarily mean you can simply rank the drivers. Take your nuance elsewhere! It isn't welcome here! :twisted: In all seriousness, there is definite m...
by F1Tyrant
Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:59 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?
Replies: 135
Views: 6950

Re: Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?

If Verstappen trashes Perez by a (significantly) larger margin than Hamilton has over Bottas, then the inevitable conclusion will be an uncomfortable one. Someone is projecting hard. I have no problem with conceding that Verstappen is faster than Hamilton after he's demonstrated that consistently a...
by F1Tyrant
Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:14 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The Official Sir Lewis Hamilton thread
Replies: 4773
Views: 1026813

Re: The Official Sir Lewis Hamilton thread

There is a very lengthy article on Hamilton at Wired UK: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lewis-hamilton Thanks for linking! It backs up a lot of what I've been saying about Hamilton's insecurity at McLaren although I'm surprised he's never used a sports psychologist. I thought of all the current dr...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Games
Topic: CarlPotter's Top Three Championship 2021
Replies: 51
Views: 1439

Re: CarlPotter's Top Three Championship 2021

I'd like to announce that A.J. and I have formed Overrated Legends Racing! Please update your records to reflect this!
by F1Tyrant
Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:15 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3923

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

The worst thing he's done in a sporting sense was probably directly lying to the stewards after Australia 2009. Anyone else would have probably been given a race ban for that. It was before my time as a regular watcher but it was my understanding that he was following orders from the top, not that ...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:49 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3923

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Dick Dastardly was a cheat and a scoundrel but he was still the fastest guy out there. Nah, I have it on good authority that it was because he drove the fastest car! :twisted: To be honest, Hamilton's deliberate bending of the spirit of the rules is up there with the worst thing he's done but in my...
by F1Tyrant
Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:28 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)
Replies: 94
Views: 3923

Hamilton's Sportsmanship (split from Bahrain 2021 Race Thread)

This thread was split from the 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread by the Moderation Team to allow a freer discussion.

So has the consensus flipped from last night that dastardly Sir Lewis somehow stole this one from Max despite a superb display of defensive driving?
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:05 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Sebastian Vettel thread
Replies: 906
Views: 281266

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

What does that say about Mark Webber though? I mean he was often getting trounced by Quad-Villeneuve! Webber was clearly in sharp decline from 2011- but yeah it's not good. You do wonder what Hamilton or Alonso would have done in those Red Bulls. Might have easily won in 2009 and won 10+ races per ...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Official Sebastian Vettel thread
Replies: 906
Views: 281266

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

All my hyperbolic quadruple Villeneuve comments are coming true by the looks of it. It's a real shame because he absolutely looked the real deal in 2015.
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Brundle did discuss the track limits and it apparently was the case that they were in place during the race too. Are we sure about this? Both Hamilton and Norris said the turn 4 track limits would only be enforced in practice and qualifying... The stewards definately changed the rules mid-race as f...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:16 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Driver(s) of the Day - 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix
Replies: 52
Views: 3189

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix

It has to be Sir Lewis Hamilton and Lando Norris.

What a way to win for your 15th season in a row!
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Is this the case of a very wise racing polymath outwitting his talented but naive apprentice? It's Prostian pragmatism (or should we say Hamiltonian now?), racing to the letter of the law but not the spirit. Wouldn't be the first time. Won't be the last. He's truly mastered the art of stringing tog...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:42 pm
He clearly overtook off track which (unless your Stroll) is always illegal.

Verstappen lost the race with two shonky laps after that.
A clear lesson to Verstappen and Red Bull. Surrender track position to Sir Lewis Hamilton at your peril!
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Mazepin restarted his car and won the race. I want to live in the Mazepin GOAT universe! Joking aside, what a race by Hamilton. That has to be up there with his incredible defence from Rosberg in Bahrain 7 years ago. Shame is will be a little marred by the whole track limits rubbish but even if the...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:30 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

I had a domestic during the last 10 laps. What did I miss?
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:19 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

This is what everyone has been waiting for. Hamilton vs Verstappen at the buisness end of a Grand Prix!
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Is Red Bull one stopping?
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Interesting strategy from the Bulls...
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Will Hamilton dare to one stop here?
by F1Tyrant
Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 271
Views: 13796

Re: 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Thread

Money won't buy him a superlicence if the FIA decide he's a danger to the other drivers.