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Hamilton put the car on pole 7 times and Kovaleinen once out of 18 races. That is the same as the Ferrari drivers combined total of 8 poles. Still you maintain that the car was nowhere. Just at face value that tells you the Ferrari was quicker because of the drivers involved plus you mentioned race...

Fiki

Hamilton put the car on pole 7 times and Kovaleinen once out of 18 races. That is the same as the Ferrari drivers combined total of 8 poles. Still you maintain that the car was nowhere. Just at face value that tells you the Ferrari was quicker because of the drivers involved plus you mentioned race...

Fiki

What if Massa had won the title in 2008, perhaps you mean 2009, from my recollection Alonso joining Ferrari wasn't public knowledge until after Massa's accident, I'm not sure if it was even mentioned. No, the press conference at Monaco 2008 was when Kimi knew he was on his way out. How difficult it...

Fiki

He was already out qualifying Massa before he knew his fate, I daresay if Massa had not got injured it would have been Massa that got let go, that would have been far cheaper for Ferrari. No, from memory, Montezemolo said as early as Monaco 2008 that if Alonso came to Ferrari, they couldn't have a ...

Fiki

That Massa used to be quick over one lap does not mean very much. See the discussion around Leclerc why that is a whole lot less important than you make it out to be. Also, weren't the 2008 regulations that qualifying was with fuel loads for the first stint? You are arguing about races that you ope...

Fiki

Which is how the performance of the two drivers ebbed and flowed during their relationship, the development of the car stopped mid season yet Kimi won a race after that, it hardly spoke of a driver not trying. What better way to show the team they were getting rid of a world champion? He was alread...

Fiki

Kovalainen was good enough to beat Fisichella and Trulli as teammates, Kimi and Massa would both later take a hammering from Alonso, Kimi a further hammering from Vettel, Massa got beat by Bottas, all this we know now yet we're still back in 2007/2008 believing that Kimi and Massa were both driving...

Fiki

Which is how the performance of the two drivers ebbed and flowed during their relationship, the development of the car stopped mid season yet Kimi won a race after that, it hardly spoke of a driver not trying. What better way to show the team they were getting rid of a world champion? He was alread...

Fiki

I think it is this "we know what we know and we don't know what we don't know and we know what we don't know we don't know, but know what is known and unknown which we know! Or something like that! :] I wish I knew a bit more about what I believe I know at this point. Which is: it seems Massa's act...

Fiki

He was out qualifying Massa before his accident. True, but Massa often achieved better finishing positions. My impression at the time was that the car's potential limited both drivers, but Räikkönen more so, before team attention switched to the driver who was leaving the team. Which is how the per...

Fiki

Apart from what we don't know. Do please explain. I think it is this "we know what we know and we don't know what we don't know and we know what we don't know we don't know, but know what is known and unknown which we know! Or something like that! :] I wish I knew a bit more about what I believe I ...

Fiki

Apart from what we don't know. Do please explain. I think it is this "we know what we know and we don't know what we don't know and we know what we don't know we don't know, but know what is known and unknown which we know! Or something like that! :] I wish I knew a bit more about what I believe I ...

Fiki

Do please explain. I think it is this "we know what we know and we don't know what we don't know and we know what we don't know we don't know, but know what is known and unknown which we know! Or something like that! :] I wish I knew a bit more about what I believe I know at this point. Which is: i...

Fiki

I'm not sure how we've got here but I'd certainly say that being the last WDC for McLaren in an inferior car (which it unquestionably was) adds to Hamilton's legacy. Did the Ferrari really turn out to be that much better than the McLaren, or did Heikki Kovalainen fail to bring sufficient points in ...

Fiki

I'm not sure how we've got here but I'd certainly say that being the last WDC for McLaren in an inferior car (which it unquestionably was) adds to Hamilton's legacy. Did the Ferrari really turn out to be that much better than the McLaren, or did Heikki Kovalainen fail to bring sufficient points in ...

Fiki

As you've already been told Kimi started the 2008 season strongly but then ran into bad luck and ended up having to support Massa, it was a role reversal of the season before, Kimi then had a very strong season in 2009 when the car was much worse, if Kimi took his foot off the gas then why the stro...

Fiki

I'm not sure how we've got here but I'd certainly say that being the last WDC for McLaren in an inferior car (which it unquestionably was) adds to Hamilton's legacy. Did the Ferrari really turn out to be that much better than the McLaren, or did Heikki Kovalainen fail to bring sufficient points in ...

Fiki

I'm not sure how we've got here but I'd certainly say that being the last WDC for McLaren in an inferior car (which it unquestionably was) adds to Hamilton's legacy. Did the Ferrari really turn out to be that much better than the McLaren, or did Heikki Kovalainen fail to bring sufficient points in ...

Fiki

See you can just invent whatever you want, Massa having the most pole positions is because Hamilton and Kimi under performed. Wouldn't you say that Hamilton had a relative poor season in 2008? Similar to 2007 compared to Ferrari and no teammate competition. It has been speculated that Räikkönen too...

Fiki

And this is not too different to 2021 when you compare what was done and how poorly each situation was handled. I would say the essential difference is quite clear and significant; whatever there was to know in order to protest and appeal in 2021, was known on the day of the assumed wrong itself. A...

Fiki

While Massa was a GP winner and just seconds away from being a world champion. Yes, because both Hamilton and Räikkönen had relatively poor seasons. In hindsight, things were not going to get any better for Räikkönen, but very few would have predicted that. See you can just invent whatever you want...

Fiki

And this is not too different to 2021 when you compare what was done and how poorly each situation was handled. I would say the essential difference is quite clear and significant; whatever there was to know in order to protest and appeal in 2021, was known on the day of the assumed wrong itself. A...

Fiki

I'm afraid I really don't see whether Alonso driving his car in a manor that is potentially dangerous to others is effected by the actions of Russell. It pointless deflection and knowing how you debate on here there is noway you'd let anyone ignore a line in a stewards verdict if it supported your ...

Fiki

I'm afraid I really don't see whether Alonso driving his car in a manor that is potentially dangerous to others is effected by the actions of Russell. It pointless deflection and knowing how you debate on here there is noway you'd let anyone ignore a line in a stewards verdict if it supported your ...

Fiki

Again just looking to paint over that they ignored Alonso's supposed throttle problem and Alonso never mentioned it in Japan, probably because it was fake, what Alonso presented doesn't seem to be true unlike what we saw with Russell which then of course makes him an easier target, beat not to be t...

Fiki

Which part of the regulation would a driver changing settings on the steering wheel or checking his mirrors be in breach of? As you know if you've read the report Alonso wasn't deemed responsible for Russell's actions. So your question is based off a false premise and therefore unanswerable. Given ...

Fiki

I don't believe the stewards verdict offers an opinion on that (Although I might have forgotten) What I do know is that it makes clear that the actions of Russell aren't relevant to the penalty. Therefore any discussion of whether Russell should or shouldn't have done things differently is merely a...

Fiki

Nothing in the stewards verdict suggests they need to. Alright, then at what point is the driver in front allowed to deviate from what he would normally do, in order to employ a defensive tactic? Would we be able to read that in their verdict? I don't believe the stewards verdict offers an opinion ...

Fiki

Given that the stewards said they punished Alonso's actions rather than the outcome could you perhaps explain how what Russell has said is in anyway mitigating? H ow can the driver in front know when the driver behind is paying attention to the car ahead? I'm willing to believe the stewards only pu...

Fiki

Which Russell revealed in Japan, I'm not sure the stewards can see the future, however nice way to avoid the question which you can't answer in defence of Alonso. I can and did. The stewards didn't look at Alonso's real or pretended throttle problem, just as they didn't look at Russell's actions wh...

Fiki

I was just replying to the member who said he didn't make a mistake, where in the steward's report is this throttle problem of Alonso? I think in the part that dealt with Russell saying he was actually looking down when changing something on his steering wheel. Which Russell revealed in Japan, I'm ...

Fiki

To use your own logic Fiki, You've no idea if this is new information or if Russell said this in the stewards room 2 weeks ago. All you know is that it's not in the report. If Alonso's throttle "problem" not making the report isn't enough for you to conclude it wasn't mentioned in the stewards room...

Fiki

You've no idea if Russell provided any evidence this weekend that he didn't provide the stewards. The stewards specifically said that they were punishing Alonso's actions rather than the outcomes. Ah but I do know that Russell didn't provide any evidence this weekend, since the matter wasn't review...

Fiki

Alonso was penalised for his actions. Not for what his actions resulted in. That's one way of looking at it. This is from The Race's article on the drivers points of view on the matter: Oscar Piastri felt that the stewards were "giving someone a penalty for causing dirty air". https://www.the-race....

Fiki

I thought that Alonso told the stewards he made a mistake. He did. Which in itself isn't breaking the rules. The question is whether Alonso making a mistake while Russell is checking his steering wheel is enough to earn him a penalty. And that is where his potential throttle problem may come back i...

Fiki

We don't need to try and work it out. It's in the stewards report. Alonso shifted down on the straight (F1 gearboxes aren't automatic so this is a choice he made) before shifting back up before the corner. Russell reacting or not isn't very important as it's got zilch to do with the offence But it ...

Fiki

We know what Alonso does... Alonso comes off the throttle and changes down a gear way before the corner. So early he has time to go back up a gear and get back on the throttle before he even gets to the corner. The question is not what happened but whether we think driving of the nature on the stra...

Fiki

Don't forget when discussing Barrichello, against Irvine but also later, that he took a very long time indeed getting back on his feet after Imola 1994. I don't think it was his own accident that marked him badly, but the death of Senna. Knowing that doesn't alter the numbers, true enough, but this ...

Fiki

Oh, I've no doubt that without the big crash there is no penalty. That's because of shoddy stewarding rather than a defence for Alonso though. What is clearly borderline (just judging by the split response from the drivers) is Alonso's driving and whether that was over the line or not. What I think...

Fiki

Even If I except all this.... Are you really continuing to argue that it's fine for a driver to drive in a manor that relies on other drivers having this super power? The last part is a fine line, whether what Alonso did in Australia crossed that line is obviously something that not everyone agrees...

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