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Lol the people here think Ricciardo was lucky... He was controlling the pace because he had pace in hand. If Norris was quicker why couldn't he keep up with Ricciardo/Verstappen in the first stint. When Verstappen had his pitstop, Ricciardo's out lap was faster than Verstappen's in lap which meant V...

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They should make the rule if the customers are allowed to buy the parts, then those parts should be available to everyone on the grid not just to the customer teams. No one complains and everyone has the same opportunity to copy. It will also close the grid right up if this pink mercedes is fighting...

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That they're somehow lesser than others? All that depends on the cars, preferences, team politics and dynamics. Look at Ricciardo now… Regarded as one of the very best for a couple of years and in a not so easy/pleasant to drive Renault, he's barely beating a well regarded driver in Hulkenberg. If ...

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Name the last 3 major hires by RBR? Whenever it happens with any team, it's news. Paddy Lowe to Williams (he turned out to be a dud, but that's a different point), James Allison to Merc. One of RBR guys that McLaren poached, the name escapes me. Renault also hired some highly reputed engineer recen...

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/formula-one/f1-renault-tells-daniel-ricciardo-it-wont-be-in-a-position-to-win-a-grand-prix-until-at-least-2020/news-story/eb24e48ae78bbdc4b6e237a67c4048bf Interesting article on some more details on what exactly was pitched to riccardo which was “We sold him ...

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I think the pass underrated by many fans. Pass of the year? Wouldn't say so but it's definitely up there. Bottas should really have kept 5th place though for the race. People keep going on about how Ricciardo had fresher and faster tires, which he did, but: - Bottas had one of the fastest first sect...

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Sorry no conspiracy, just dumb decisions by RBR and poor operations.

How often do you get an actual apology from Dr. Helmut? they know they screwed up big time this race. Last race it could have gone either way and Ricciardo got the short end of the stick when he didn't deserve it.

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Yeah, it's definitely been a run of bad luck for Ricciardo. That pit stop was truly awful, I'd say on much the same level as that Williams incident last year where they fitted mis-matched tyres to Bottas' car -- the sort of error that really shouldn't happen at all, much less to a top team. In cont...

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3 guys on the podium. Honourable mention to Alonso too.

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Ricciardo went there, saying that he's been "screwed" now for the last two races, and essentially stating that his team had screwed him. The positives are that for two races now the Red Bull has been very handy. Will the trend continue? I think they could become increasingly dangerous as the season...

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Wow at all the ppl that have Ricciardo smashing Verstappen 0.5s+ If that was the case, Marko would have not have promoted him in the 1st place. One of his reasons was Kvyat has been 3 to 5 tenths slower than Dan this season which is true. So for Marko to put in Verstappen in only to be worse than th...

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Ah but according to Herbert, Kyvat has been outperforming Ricciardo....... It is harsh on Kyvat though. Whilst points tallies don't tell the whole story, he has generally done pretty well against a good team mate. Yeah he got a bit fortunate to outscore Ricciardo, as reliability and other issues ef...

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5/10 - Rosberg unchallenged - Hamilton while he had a good recovery we never got to see whether he would have closed on Rosberg with his water leak - The RBRs and Vettel out of the race - This track is absolutely rubbish for overtaking - Pirelli should have brought the ultrasoft tire to make it more...

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I see fanboys are still trying to butcher the DOTD system! Ricciardo all the way. Fanboys of who? Rosberg? That was at a time when Hamilton was the third highest ranked driver. It would have been bizarre if he got a point from that performance. Rosberg performed pretty well. I could see a case bein...

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Looking at the wide shot, both Ferraris ran wide on entry and tried to late apex by cutting back across. Kvyat filled the space Vettel would have been in had he not run wide, and Seb was apparently amazed to find a car there. I suspect he'll feel like a bit of an idiot when he sees the tapes. I thi...

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Ricciardo, exceeeded expectations in qualifying and drove an outstanding race to be only 6s behind his team-mate after the puncture. Clean overtaking and quick everywhere. Has been brilliant all season and this is why Merc/Ferrari are after him but I don't think he needs to move once Renault upgrade...

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Reports are coming in that the eliminationsystem will last throughout the season because of two teams voting no to bin it because it favours them. Yeah McLaren and Red Bull. Talk about playing hardball. They want to sport to suffer for a period just to force the FIA to submit to the team's will. ht...

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I think they made the right call on the PU for this year. Red Bull has produced another monster of a car though to be ahead of them from the start with a renault PU. I suspect Renault have taken a bigger step forward than was anticipated. Both Ricciardo and the Renault works cars were able to pass ...

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Ricciardo, I'm surprised there's a debate on it Probably because his reputation is largely based on beating Seb in '14. But he was beaten by his team mate last season (the 'top' drivers have also suffered this fate at various times) which leaves the field open to opinion. I just think of the race p...

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Ricciardo - Has the speed - Has the racecraft (Rosberg does not have this) - Has the consistency (beat Vettel over a season) - Has the ability to look after the tires - Has won races in a completely dominant Mercedes era (multiple times as well) - Has the ability to control races and set them up - H...

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pokerman wrote: Maybe I worded it wrong?

I meant that Webber's words back up Ricciardo's performance in 2014.

More of a misread on my part, my bad

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Not sure how you can consider 2014 a fluke, he beat a 4xWDC over a season. 3 wins, repeat wins too, not one-offs. You look at last year, yes it wasn't his best year but 2014 was still there. Gunning for a win in Hungary - had he got past Rosberg cleanly it could have been another win and no one woul...

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Kyvat has had some good races but Dan R lost big points by retirements being in a significant proportion of races where RBR had the chance of a good points compared to DK retiring in races where lower level points were on offer. DK also gained in those races DR retired from as he was behind DR. Thu...

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There's another camera angle shows Rossi clearly using his leg against MM's head to cause him to fall. Don't forget by that stage Rossi has already been forcing MM out wide, slowly down deliberately in corner, checking multiple times where MM is before using his leg. They should already be on the th...

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Stipulated in their contracts, grid falls below a certain number then certain teams are probably obligated to field a third car. It's basically Bernie's get out of jail card with track promoters who require a minimum of 18 cars on the grid while giving the bigger teams even more exposure - the teams...

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Congrats Mercedes! Also congrats Mercedes for being the 2016 and 2017 champions as well! we all know that's what will also happen. Hey, hey - we don't know about 2017 yet. No team has ever entered a regulation change as champions and come back out as champions. True but if Mercedes still have the e...

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Congrats Mercedes!

Also congrats Mercedes for being the 2016 and 2017 champions as well! we all know that's what will also happen.

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So basically: - Renault expected RBR to do their marketing exposure for them during the V8 era - Renault were dumb enough to use Infiniti branding on the RB rather than their own exposure - Renault did not leverage that the team were winning races/WDC/WCC in their marketing budget - Renault had a wh...

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Might be going against the flow but I'm not sure what business it is of the EU, tbh. I don't see why they should have any say in how the sport is run? Not a fan of this latest development. That said I do think a more equitable revenue split is desirable. But I don't think complete equality is the a...

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while it might be fairer to the lower teams, the real attractions to the sport of Ferrari, Merc, Renault, McLaren will lose out. The revenues generated are different for a west brom vs Southampton match against a Chelsea vs Man United match and the money should be distributed to reflect that weight...

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No, racing incident. Massa if he had better awareness should have stayed out to his left where he had more room but that's the first lap for you. Massa did not do a similar thing against Perez last year. Perez moved in the braking zone which is what caused the incident which is a no no hence his 5 p...

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Ricciardo, he has proven multiple GP winner, has the speed, racecraft, limits his mistakes (probably crashes once a year if even compared to say Maldonaldo who is almost every race), good on the tires. Singapore reminded people of how good he is. Verstappen will get there in time but not right now. ...

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Rossi not available?

Seb, DR and Verstappen. Came off as a spoilt brat at the end with the team orders.

Still dislike the unlapping rule, that's a big disadvantage to other teams who have done no wrong and possibly not better of in terms of strategy in some instances.

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Depends on what era and what regulations. - I would put Webber right near the top if it was pre-Pirelli regulations. Pirelli regulations onwards he would be near the bottom purely because the Pirelli tires/exhaust regs didn't suit him + having a team where management was clearly against him. Webber ...

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Another time would have been Canada where Kvyat beat Ricciardo. Ricciardo was just plain slow that w/e though. Bit of an off-one for him. The WDC points isn't representative IMO. Kvyat started really gaining points when the car was good (Ric broke down in Silverstone though it was a close w/e betwee...

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Webber lost to Vettel because he was not as good an F1 driver. Very few people would try to argue differently. Massa maybe performing a a great level, although if it is tier one level it would be a surprise as he has not been able to show that in his career so far. If anyone was to take a best gues...

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Don't believe it until you see it. Renault have been all talk and no action most of the year, lets wait until Sochi comes around if they've upgraded their engines.

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I expected this thread :) It's also very harsh for Vergne who isn't even mentioned here. I take that apart from his driving, there were a number of things he was doing wrong compared to Ricciardo. Not good at technical input? Work attitude not as expected? No doubt this thread is going to go a few ...

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Rosberg should have put on the options. He'd be leading the championship now if he had. This is what I didn't get, why did Rosberg put on the mediums. I think him being in a battle with Lewis for the championship and wanting the same compound blinded the more logical choice if he wanted to win the ...

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I thought Kvyat had a fairly poor race. I agree, everything fell into place for Kyvat. Hulk crashed ahead of him, Bottas had a puncture, the Mercs tried to take Ricciardo out and themselves in the first corner, he was 40 seconds behind Ricciardo halfway through the race and despite the front 3 figh...

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