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To dislike a piece of music does not make one a "hater". Someone referred to it as beyond awful! If that’s not hate, IDK what is. It may not be to their liking but to say beyond awful is preposterous and can only be equated to HATE. That was me, and that's my opinion on it. I find nothing even remo...

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And how are you going to assess where Bottas would have finished? What punishment would there be? Were you as vocal on this when Verstappen finished ahead of Vettel in China? As for the last hypothetical scenario: ok, so maybe the fact that another driver suffered should play a role in deciding the ...

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Blake wrote:To dislike a piece of music does not make one a "hater".

This. I find it mildly amusing that people are writing walls of text to lecture others because they don't like it

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shoot999 wrote:Seems to have gone down well in the music press and on their forums. Thank god we have so many r&b experts on here to give us their take. Obviously Drake fans.

I'm sorry my opinion on music is what it is. I will try to change it. For you.

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Song here: https://youtu.be/1ScJ0BUDc6Y
Lewis @ 2:40

I thinks it's beyond awful to the point I'm having a hard time to consider it music. It's the same beat from beginning to end and they're narrating rather than singing.

But hey, to each their own I guess.

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Vettel should have finished behind Bottas but ended up in front of him over an incident in which he was solely at fault. That, IMO, is unjust. ' And if that was a rule, you don't think the teams would start gaming the system, for instance telling Bottas to hold station once he got back to 10th to p...

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It's like a drunk driver on a motorway. If you get caught you will probably get a big fine and a driving ban. If you kill someone you will do a few years inside. Is there any difference in the intent, or even the actions of the driver? No, but with any punishment you have to pay for what you've don...

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For example, if Alonso decides to leave McLaren but doesn't want to finish his F1 career just yet, maybe he takes Sainz' seat at Renault and Sainz ends up back at Toro Rosso? Both moves are highly unlikely imo. Renault have gone on record to say that they cannot yet give Alonso a car to compete for...

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agreed, Stayed ahead of riccardo where he was but what other track can you Go off track full speed and rejoin full speed. Pretty much every track that has a turn 1 run off has curbs or barriers a driver must navigate to discourage off track escapes. Mexico (see Hamilton in 2016) and Brazil immediat...

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So Motorsport.com is reporting Ricciardo is close to signing an extension with Red Bull, that Mercedes will retain Bottas and Hamilton, Sainz will remain with Renault (possibly signing permanently) and the only change might be Leclerc replacing Raikkonen. Pretty dull silly season, then! Would have ...

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Versteppens huge cut across the track greatly aided his track position. BIB is untrue. Verstappen went off track behind Hamilton (not counting the spinning Vettel and Bottas) and resumed behind Hamilton. He stayed in the same position. Verstappen was quicker until the front wing issues as well. Ric...

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In Australia, the timing miscalculation certainly did cost Hamilton the win but he still finished the race in 2nd. In Bahrain, Vettel was easily quickest in both qualifying and the race. The fact that things played out a little strangely doesn't change that. on no level was that Mercedes' race to l...

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Mod Titanium wrote:Also Versteppens huge cut across the track greatly aided his track position.

No it didn't. He was in fourth, two drivers crashed out, he found himself in second.

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The reason it's being done again is because there's a select couple of people who seem to be unable to admit Ricciardo is outperforming Max. They seem to be stuck in this fanciful world where Max is a god in waiting and no one could legitimately outperform him. You can facepalm all you want, but th...

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MV v DR 2017 DR 6 DNF, 5 mechanical, 1 crashed into by Verstappen for which Verstappen got a penalty. MV 7 DNF, 4 mechanical, 3 collisions (not sure on fault) Ricciardo actually had worse mechanical issues in 2017 in the races at least, not sure about grid penalties though. Quick check will tell yo...

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Maybe. But I would still bet on Dan beating him for some time yet. Eh. If Verstappen would have had less mechanical issues last year, he would have outscored Ricciardo. Performance-wise Verstappen was better. If Ricciardo "beat" Verstappen last year, then Kvyat "beat" Ricciardo. Kvyat did beat Ricc...

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MV v DR 2017 DR 6 DNF, 5 mechanical, 1 crashed into by Verstappen for which Verstappen got a penalty. MV 7 DNF, 4 mechanical, 3 collisions (not sure on fault) Ricciardo actually had worse mechanical issues in 2017 in the races at least, not sure about grid penalties though. Which is why I specifica...

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MV v DR 2017 DR 6 DNF, 5 mechanical, 1 crashed into by Verstappen for which Verstappen got a penalty. MV 7 DNF, 4 mechanical, 3 collisions (not sure on fault) Ricciardo actually had worse mechanical issues in 2017 in the races at least, not sure about grid penalties though. Which is why I specifica...

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Maybe. But I would still bet on Dan beating him for some time yet. Eh. If Verstappen would have had less mechanical issues last year, he would have outscored Ricciardo. Performance-wise Verstappen was better. If Ricciardo "beat" Verstappen last year, then Kvyat "beat" Ricciardo. Kvyat did beat Ricc...

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Ocon wrote:So Ricciardo beat Vettel because driver performances vary? Ok.

So a forum is about quickly jotting down a stupid oneliner that doesn't capture the essence of what was said? Ok.

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Good thing you made this thread, Lotus49. I've been thinking about doing it for the better part of a year, had some ideas for the opening post for the thread, but never really got around to doing it. So thank you. I hope we'll be able to post in this thread for years (at least in the context of him...

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Good thing you made this thread, Lotus49. I've been thinking about doing it for the better part of a year, had some ideas for the opening post for the thread, but never really got around to doing it. So thank you. I hope we'll be able to post in this thread for years (at least in the context of him ...

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Maybe. But I would still bet on Dan beating him for some time yet. Eh. If Verstappen would have had less mechanical issues last year, he would have outscored Ricciardo. Performance-wise Verstappen was better. If Ricciardo "beat" Verstappen last year, then Kvyat "beat" Ricciardo. And don't make the ...

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that I don't necessarily agree he 's an underdog level driver I'm not sure whether you understand what "underdog" actually means? "Underdog level driver" is not a series of words that make sense together. Being an underdog is more like a position to be in. Package is everything in F1 and even the v...

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The same as Alonso should have just done a complete Kamikaze on Petrov in Abu Dhabi 2010. In fact, under the current rules, Alonso should have just overtaken him by going off track and taken the 5 second penalty - he would have been able to pull that gap to him. Actually he would have needed to do ...

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Did i say he'd be the better choice? Did I say you did? This part of the discussion started with someone saying that, so it's naturally going to be a red line throughout :) So your basically saying mds that if he's never fortunate enough to be provided with a car capable of winning him a title, or ...

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Banana Man wrote:When you think Bottas lost almost an entirely lap by cruising around with a flat tyre

He didn't lose almost an entire lap, as there was a safety car and he could start from exactly 4 tenths behind Vettel.

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Toby. wrote: Not so much to construct a desired outcome, but to deliver a punishment equivalent to the act.

But the act was a brief lock-up. It was minor, and unintentional.

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Just to illustrate: Verstappen destroyed Vettel's race in China all the same. Was there a penalty in place to ensure Verstappen would end up with less points than Vettel? Nope.

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Ignoring circumstance will allow situations like this occur, though. That's nonsense. The risk of hitting someone from behind is at least as big for the one behind as the one in front, possibly even bigger. To say that a penalty that is being seen as lenient will invite drivers to plow into the bac...

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Why should he not be considered better than Vettel? In their year together Ricciardo beat Vettel because Vettel simply wasn't good enough to beat him. No if's or buts. Based on the only evidence available, yes, Ricciardo is better than Vettel. There are always ifs and buts. And driver performances ...

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I think you're fundamentally correct, but the fact that he hasn't had the machinery to compete in a World Championship doesn't mean we should presume he can't if he does have the machinery. Well, since I didn't say that at any point so on this point we can agree ;) Given that he joined Vettel's tea...

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He is a very very good driver, I put him above Massa Rubens and Webber, but not in the discussion of the best driver on the grid when you have Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel. And I know that he beat Vettel in their one year together when Vettel struggled with that car, but equally you wouldn't call Bu...

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Plucky underdog?? He's topped a 4x WC, is widely regarded a the best overtaker in the field and is always in discussions when it comes to who is the best driver on the grid. I wouldn't exactly describe that as the characteristics of the stereotypical underdog. Webber would fit into that category. B...

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I still think Ricciardo is a good chance at Ferrari or Mercedes, who wouldn't be stupid to grab the opportunity while they can. When the Red Bull is in a position to compete, Ricciardo has shown he is the best overtaker in the business and can take the win when it's available. He's got the ability ...

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I voted for a drive-through. Five seconds, especially given how much faster the top six cars are to everybody else , was an inadequate. So now a driver for a top team should be punished harder than a driver for a mid-grid team because the car is faster anyway? Slippery slope if we're going to have ...

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I don’t think he should have gotten a penalty. 1st corner incident. I also think Bottas, could have given him more room. How? He hits the back of Bottas. Don't think Bottas did anything wrong. Neither Mercedes did. I do think Hamilton purposefully held back just a bit in order to box Vettel in and ...

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So really, on a lap where everyone gained a couple of tenths over their previous lap, Vettel gained nothing. That's a much bigger loss than Hamilton not beating his own best sector time from earlier in the session. How do you know that? How can you pretend to know how close Vettel came to the ideal...

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pokerman wrote: No you made your own interpretation that he didn't like the race because he said it was unusually serene despite him saying it was an excellent result.

No, YOU made your own interpretation where someone just called the race boring and you, once again, made it about Hamilton.

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When you start classifying Baku as not being an easy win for Vettel before the SC then I just see an obvious weighting coming into play, a need to down play how good the Ferrari is. As a comparison I know doubt you class France as an easy win for Hamilton? Well clearly they are not the same because...

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