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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/03/majority-of-teams-sign-up-to-new-concorde-agreement-mercedes-holding-out/ just more info From that very article 'The details of this deal are still sinking in for most of the F1 paddock. It comes as something of a surprise to some to see McLaren having gone alo...

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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/03/m ... lding-out/
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You've quoted the wrong post but i'm guessing that was aimed at me. There is no blame to be apportioned here, Ferrari did what is best for Ferrari, as is their right to do so. Pretty sure it was Ferrari who folded first when the threat of the breakaway series was on, and it was Ferrari and Red Bull...

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Of course it takes money to advance... a lot of it, just as the established teams spend. The point is that every team as they come into F1 knows it is going to take BIG money just to play, much less win. They knew it coming in... Sauber should have known back in 1993 that future teams like Red Bull...

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I'm still amused that anyone seriously thinks that any of these payments are actually for 'brand power' or time spent in F1 and not just kickbacks from the ringmaster so the teams break ranks with each other and dont negotiate payments as a collective (something that would probably net them all rat...

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Apple? Meh... what an overrated company. I'd say car industry companies only. Ford, and the return of Jaguar in F1. :D I guess that you haven't heard that they are making a car then... wow, those people from silicon valley strike again, again they think they are smarter than the rest of the world, ...

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Maybe if the smaller teams were given a chance to become larger they could attract a bigger following. Hardly anyone gave a toss about Red Bull from 2005-2008 And look what happened... they went on to win multiple championships, proving it is not impossible. :uhoh: Red Bull had the money to advance...

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How is it that Ferrari are the villians of this piece, when Merc didn't offer to supply anything? What's to stop Ferrari just saying 'No'as well. How is that any different to Merc saying no? And why aren't Merc being held up as chickens, they aren't doing anything to help the situation. If RB do ex...

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Maybe if the smaller teams were given a chance to become larger they could attract a bigger following. Hardly anyone gave a toss about Red Bull from 2005-2008 And look what happened... they went on to win multiple championships, proving it is not impossible. :uhoh: Red Bull had the money to advance...

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Gutierrez (and Vergne for that matter) have both had their chance in F1, and while they're certainly young enough to still prove they deserve a place on the grid, I just can't imagine that place ever being in the Ferrari race team, within Ferrari I would have thought their prospects would be purely...

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Might be going against the flow but I'm not sure what business it is of the EU, tbh. I don't see why they should have any say in how the sport is run? Not a fan of this latest development. That said I do think a more equitable revenue split is desirable. But I don't think complete equality is the a...

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while it might be fairer to the lower teams, the real attractions to the sport of Ferrari, Merc, Renault, McLaren will lose out. The revenues generated are different for a west brom vs Southampton match against a Chelsea vs Man United match and the money should be distributed to reflect that weight...

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So much for Arrivabene's beating of the chest saying that Ferrari do not fear the competition unlike Mercedes and I wonder if their star driver Vettel will get any flack for this like Hamilton did? I guess things said behind closed doors can not be proven and Vettel would chose not say this to the ...

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they should go already, stop crying about things and work to fix it. REDBULL have themselves to blame no one else. They are demanding engines from Ferrari that are same as works team....hmmmm what makes them more important than Sauber and HASS? Dont post things and then edit them, have the convicti...

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they should go already, stop crying about things and work to fix it. REDBULL have themselves to blame no one else. They are demanding engines from Ferrari that are same as works team....hmmmm what makes them more important than Sauber and HASS? excuse me? what makes you think that haas and sauber a...

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they should go already, stop crying about things and work to fix it. REDBULL have themselves to blame no one else. They are demanding engines from Ferrari that are same as works team....hmmmm what makes them more important than Sauber and HASS?

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I am so tired of RED BULL, if they cared about F1 they wouldn't be crying about engines. who would want to partner with someone who praises their own guys when they win and blames the partner when they lose? Who would want to partner with people like that? RedBull made this problem themselves and no...

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Great topic! This engine formula is terrible and the working group on the engine development was terrible on what was allowed to be enhanced and when, just terrible.

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who says they are more important than Sauber or Williams both have been in the sport longer and have made engine deals and not complained when one engine was inferior. when Ferrari had a terrible engine last year did Sauber complain? No they just kept working hard. Red Bull have no right putting the...

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Allocation of funds to the teams is a big one for me. On the engine front I'd also like to add that promoting F1 as a sport that is developing technology for the future of the auto industry, and then instituting rules to freeze hybrid development , constitutes one of the most oxymoronic phases in F...

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Sadly, I think Astoria is echoing what many are feeling. Even as we read through this thread, we see that most responses are in agreement with many of his points. And not all of them are from "old farts" waxing nostalgic. F1 is in dire need of reassessment as to what it is, what it wants to be, and...

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Surely 'lower budget teams' have always exited F1 over the years? If you only read older commenters you'd think the series was on it's deathbed, playing to lower crowds than even IndyCar, the attendance and great atmosphere in Montreal rubbishes these doom and gloom prophecies. It feels these days ...

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I'm going to offer counterpoints where possible: 1 - Testing just leaves us with the richest teams developing, and wrecks the chances of season-long upsets like Force India nearly beating McLaren. 2 - Ditto. Wind tunnels still cost money, if less than actually testing a car on a track. 3 - Agreed. ...

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I have been a fan of F1 for many years I am afraid before many of my fellow forum mates were born. These last few years has really hit me that F1 is not the pinnacle of motor sport any longer. F1 is no fun its not even worth the time to watch any longer my reasons are as follows: 1. NO TESTING- I en...

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The biggest thing wrong with the money side in my opinion is that Ferrari get a load of money just because they are Ferrari, so even if they have a terrible season and finish bottom they still earn more money than quite a few of the other teams put together, how is that fair? Oh fairy cakes, here w...

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you have two of the most advanced automobile companies in the world having issues creating an engine that will have no application in the real world, not too many V6 turbo ERS engines making 700-1,000 HP going in economy cars in the future....total waste of time and total loss...these engines suck a...

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Helmuttt just was quoted as saying that Riccardo is on par with Vettal....enough said about Marko the nut ... Meaning? I don't think that claim would get too much disagreement after 2014, except from people who think he's better instead of on par ;) Back on topic, how has Red Bull not been called u...

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Helmuttt just was quoted as saying that Riccardo is on par with Vettal....enough said about Marko the nut

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Plus didn't Newey come from Mclaren before Jaguar/RedBull? so Mclaren helped Red Bull win all those World Championships....ok got it.

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This is RUBBISH so whenever another highly skilled employee leaves for another that means they are helping? Then everyone is helping each other because right before MB starting winning wasn't TOTO and Paddy over at Mclaren and Williams? so this logic would dictate that then Mclaren helped MB and Wil...

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cosworth would be in, Ferrari would be in..I can see Honda as they produce V6sand easily go to 8s as they did so in the past for Indy, GM can be in for sure they are ramping the racing division and profits are up big time at GM . MB will not pull out they will yell and scream but not pull out. I th...

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cosworth would be in, Ferrari would be in..I can see Honda as they produce V6sand easily go to 8s as they did so in the past for Indy, GM can be in for sure they are ramping the racing division and profits are up big time at GM. MB will not pull out they will yell and scream but not pull out. I thin...

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http://www.newsonf1.co.uk/2015/news/Apr/article_Mercedes_helped_Williams_catch_Ferrari_report.html This is a report from Spanish newspapers, if true it shows MB could care less about F1 and only cares about the balance of power if it favors themselves. Very troubling if it is true. Lauda said this ...

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as far as customers able to modify software settings on the engine delivered by the manufacturer goes I would argue that this simply is not possible. Let's look at this in simpler terms, if you buy a car let's say a new Maserati and the HP is limited to 450HP you can go on the after market and buy s...

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Well the basic engine and internals are the same but im sure every team uses different intakes, exhausts, intercooler etc... iirc intakes and exhausts are homologated as well and need tokens to be changed... Software is a big deal with these PUs and that is not homologated. Look at the difference i...

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Friggen MB...when its good for them thats really all they acre about..Lauda said it so himself when he said drivers should be selfish...kinda like team principals that used to be GP drivers too.

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http://www.newsonf1.co.uk/2015/news/Apr/article_Mercedes_helped_Williams_catch_Ferrari_report.html This is a report from Spanish newspapers, if true it shows MB could care less about F1 and only cares about the balance of power if it favors themselves. Very troubling if it is true. Lauda said this w...

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APRIL 1 Just look at the date...April Fools

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I just didn't see any options. Ferrari was going to get rid of him without question once the new execs took over. It was a forgone conclusion so the only thing Alonso could do was sit on the sidelines as Ferrari paid his retainer (some say that was 30Mill) another was find a team that could pay his...

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OK well if I was negotiating on the Ferari side if you really want him and can't get him offer any amount, this will drive up the cost for Hamilton and give some pain in the pockets of MB. Thats just sales 101, if you aren't going to win the sale make it as hard as possible for your competitor to w...

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