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motorfinger

Maybe Kubica had a really good car and a weak teammate in 2010? Same goes for Hulkenberg in 2013 for example. But of course, if you are a fan, you are not going to entertain that line of thought. Kubica was certainly a very good driver 2008-2010. Don't forget he stood toe to toe with top drivers in...

motorfinger

Maybe Kubica had a really good car and a weak teammate in 2010? Same goes for Hulkenberg in 2013 for example. But of course, if you are a fan, you are not going to entertain that line of thought. Kubica was certainly a very good driver 2008-2010. Don't forget he stood toe to toe with top drivers in...

motorfinger

Maybe Kubica had a really good car and a weak teammate in 2010? Same goes for Hulkenberg in 2013 for example. But of course, if you are a fan, you are not going to entertain that line of thought.

motorfinger

Bottas is a bit overrated nowadays as a consequence of Hamilton hype, so yeah, probably a lot of guys would have been able to match his level of performance.

motorfinger

The gap between Vettel and Kimi this year is consistent with the 4 year between the two drivers , like you say the gap is similar to what we see between Verstappen and Ricciardo, however we are not comparing like for like to come to the conclusion that Kimi was as good as Ricciardo, we are talking ...

motorfinger

@pokerman
What about 2016?. You are so fixed on putting these insurmountable (and precisely determined) gaps between certain drivers.

motorfinger

Kimi had a "good season" relative to some of the poor ones he has had recently like 2014,2015 and 2017... if you are judging him against the best, Kimi had a poor season. But the bar for Kimi now is much lower and relative to the level he has been at the last few seasons - he had a good year. But V...

motorfinger

Kimi had a "good season" relative to some of the poor ones he has had recently like 2014,2015 and 2017... if you are judging him against the best, Kimi had a poor season. But the bar for Kimi now is much lower and relative to the level he has been at the last few seasons - he had a good year. But V...

motorfinger

Kimi had a "good season" relative to some of the poor ones he has had recently like 2014,2015 and 2017... if you are judging him against the best, Kimi had a poor season. But the bar for Kimi now is much lower and relative to the level he has been at the last few seasons - he had a good year. But V...

motorfinger

Kimi had a "good season" relative to some of the poor ones he has had recently like 2014,2015 and 2017... if you are judging him against the best, Kimi had a poor season. But the bar for Kimi now is much lower and relative to the level he has been at the last few seasons - he had a good year. But V...

motorfinger

Pointing out that Valteri finished behind Kimi due to team orders is not simplistic i guess? I agree that Valteri gets bashed a bit too much, but the usual strategy of not giving Kimi any credit doesn't help Valteri much IMO. In this case Kimi is getting credit and Bottas no credit. So you were try...

motorfinger

Kimi had a "good season" relative to some of the poor ones he has had recently like 2014,2015 and 2017... if you are judging him against the best, Kimi had a poor season. But the bar for Kimi now is much lower and relative to the level he has been at the last few seasons - he had a good year. But V...

motorfinger

Kimi had two more DNFs, thats at least some 20 points lost. Kimi may have had 2 more DNFs, but he has benifited from others misfortune quite lot earlier on in the season while Bottas hasn't really over the whole season. Kimi has basically got back a good deal of the points lost with good luck. Baku...

motorfinger

Pointing out that Valteri finished behind Kimi due to team orders is not simplistic i guess? I agree that Valteri gets bashed a bit too much, but the usual strategy of not giving Kimi any credit doesn't help Valteri much IMO.

motorfinger

Still think he could well have a better season than his first year with Mercedes. And in that year despite having the teams only retirement, he was closer to Hamilton points wise than Rosberg was in 2014 or 2015. I know Rosberg may have had worse luck, but the fact other teams were so close to Merc...

motorfinger

What 7 seasons? Kimi outqualified Vettel in 2016, and was ahead of Massa in quali in 2009 prior to incident.

motorfinger

I voted stay. But he does need more support than Ferrari is willing to give their number 2s - provided that is, they know they even have another driver besides the chosen one. According to Räikkönen himself, it was too difficult to get close to the driver in front in Canada. I do wish I knew why Rä...

motorfinger

Johnson wrote:
motorfinger wrote:in Silverstone, Abu Dhabi, and Monza so three times in 2015.
Didn't Vettel have PU issue in Abu Dhabi and qualify P16?

No PU issue, just failed to get out of Q1 on softs.

motorfinger

in Silverstone, Abu Dhabi, and Monza so three times in 2015.

motorfinger

Would a driver suggest he is struggling when he is getting 3 poles on the bounce and it should have been 3 front rows. Vettel seems quite happy at the moment even with all the bad luck and many suggest that's because he knows he has the fastest car. For all we know Vettel might not be getting the m...

motorfinger

For starters here is a suggestion: get rid of nine decimal places, there is no need for that and it hurts my eyes

motorfinger

Well you are certainly honest about it, however it looks more or less like going full circle with nothing new produced, performance ratings based predominantly on driver hierarchy (car performance is same thing really), ultimately reflecting not much more then that hierarchy.

motorfinger

Highly subjective, with more then "some" assumptions. The fact that you gave individual ratings for each race and then analyzed the data statistically doesn't hide the fact that it is more statement of opinion, then any sort of attempt of in depth performance analysis.

motorfinger

I see it as a bit of a "chocolate fudge cake you" to all those insisting Vettel doesn't have preferential treatment. Of course Kimi isn't exactly matching Vettel most of the time, but he also isn't absolutely inferior as some would like to have us believe.

motorfinger

If Ferrari could do it, i wouldn't put it past them. I assume not many people on here know exactly what are the control procedures employed by the FIA and if there are possible ways of circumventing those, and yet they are quick to state the rules and act as if enforcing them is guaranteed, and anyo...

motorfinger

Nr. 1 status is more cause then an effect of its supposed legit owners domination over their teammates.

motorfinger

I am not sure why this gets repeated, it simply isn't true, in case of Monaco overcut was at least an equally valid strategy for years, especially for car leading the race. And i recall hearing analysis prior to this years race, suggesting it might be as well. The difference this year was all down ...

motorfinger

I am not sure why this gets repeated, it simply isn't true, in case of Monaco overcut was at least an equally valid strategy for years, especially for car leading the race. And i recall hearing analysis prior to this years race, suggesting it might be as well. The difference this year was all down ...

motorfinger

I am not sure why this gets repeated, it simply isn't true, in case of Monaco overcut was at least an equally valid strategy for years, especially for car leading the race. And i recall hearing analysis prior to this years race, suggesting it might be as well. The difference this year was all down ...

motorfinger

In Monaco did the team ask Kimi if he wanted to pit first? Or did they just request he pitted because if they did then that doesn't look great. Mercedes have always given the leading driver the choice to pit 1st or 2nd. Was there a single instance during 2014-2016 seasons where the leading Merc dri...

motorfinger

Vettel season was not as bad as some make out. He matched his team mate in qualifying and destroyed him in races. He does need to stop making the same mistake at the first corner though What he " destroyed " were two of Kimis possibly best chances of a great result, precisely by his first corner an...

motorfinger

Vettel season was not as bad as some make out. He matched his team mate in qualifying and destroyed him in races. He does need to stop making the same mistake at the first corner though What he " destroyed " were two of Kimis possibly best chances of a great result, precisely by his first corner an...

motorfinger

Alonso is proud of the fact he always beats his teammate. Did/Does he himself say he always beat(s) his teammates? Because he didn't beat Trulli in 2004 or Hamilton in 2007. I know Hamilton claimed he beat Alonso, which is also wrong. But I don't remember reading Alonso claiming he always beat his ...

motorfinger

There wasn't such a thing as Massas side of the garage sadly, at least not in a equal capacity to the other side. And i am not interested to go into x number of reinterpretations of the state of affairs, I am not even a Massa fan.

motorfinger

We don't now whether Massa was given option to pit or not, and Alonsos stop wasnt as early as you claim, quite a few other drivers pitted about the same time. In retrospect, considering that Kimi won with one stop less, its possible to argue that tyres were lasting better then expected, but Massa w...

motorfinger

We don't now whether Massa was given option to pit or not, and Alonsos stop wasnt as early as you claim, quite a few other drivers pitted about the same time. In retrospect, considering that Kimi won with one stop less, its possible to argue that tyres were lasting better then expected, but Massa w...

motorfinger

We don't now whether Massa was given option to pit or not, and Alonsos stop wasnt as early as you claim, quite a few other drivers pitted about the same time. In retrospect, considering that Kimi won with one stop less, its possible to argue that tyres were lasting better then expected, but Massa wa...

motorfinger

I rewatched Australia 2013 race recently, Alonso was obviously favored within the team and given pitstop preference at the second round of stops at the race Massa outqualified him and run in front of him at pace quite similar to Alonsos (it didn't look like Massa was holding him up or anything). Fi...

motorfinger

I rewatched Australia 2013 race recently, Alonso was obviously favored within the team and given pitstop preference at the second round of stops at the race Massa outqualified him and run in front of him at pace quite similar to Alonsos (it didn't look like Massa was holding him up or anything). Fir...

motorfinger

This whole idea of separating drivers pace from that of a car as if there is a simple relation of addition (the famous 6 tenths :lol: ) is just plain stupid and pointless IMO. I understand people are bored in the offseason, but another "Alonso drives beyond the capabilities of the car" thread, geez ...

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