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OzFormula

Webber usually gives Vettel room when they are racing fairly. Look at Korea for instance at the start Vettel got the run, Webber stayed away and let him have the corner.

Mark could have easily taken that line and forced Seb to take evasive action.

OzFormula

I don't see Alonso leading the championship after this race. He'd need 3rd with Vettel not scoring.

OzFormula

Nope. Alonso has been the best driver this year by a mile. He's dragged a car that should never even be in title contention at this stage of teh year to be just that. Hamilton has never done that with a car that's 3rd/4th fastest in his career. Hamilton may have had his best season since 2007 but A...

OzFormula

I think they like eachother. Lewis regularly goes to visit Alonso in the Ferrari garage during his walks on GP weekends. I get the feeling both of them feel they are superior to Vettel and kind of use the mutual praise as a way of talking Seb down. Its also a bit to do with the fact that since they ...

OzFormula

Don't forget though that he won't have to "sort himself out" if he starts in the pits, and I therefore don't think he will lose that much time anyway. He will get past the bottom 6 within a few laps anyway, the car is just too good, even if drivers like Heikki Kovalainen are good drivers. He won't ...

OzFormula

The Torro Rosso's will let him straight through. But if he gets stuck behind Perez or Kobyashi he could lose 1-2 seconds per lap for 5-10 laps, ending even further back.

I think he'll struggle to make it into the top 10, the Force India's have been very good Red Bull road blocks all season too.

OzFormula

I can't think of 1 mistake Lewis has made and he has had absolutely insane pace all year. I rate him as #1 in 2012. valencia? hockenheim ? Spa? Korean ? India? and couple of poor start results in losing grid position and wasted qualifying effort. He had the best car in most of the races, while team...

OzFormula

I can't think of 1 mistake Lewis has made and he has had absolutely insane pace all year. I rate him as #1 in 2012.

OzFormula

Also Hamilton's 2010 campaign would have been amazing in that McLaren if not for a few crashes towards the end.

OzFormula

I would have been trying to go to McLaren if I was Mark. Him and Jenson would make a great rivalry.

OzFormula

Worst car to win a title? Perhaps the Ferrari F2003-GA. The Williams and McLaren were at least on a par with it until late 2003. The Williams drivers threw their title chances away handsomely and Raikkonen very nearly did win but his car was getting slower with each race. I still think that Ferrari...

OzFormula

This is something i've always wondered. Every component in a F1 car is engineered to the highest level, however surely the F1 teams know which engine is slightly better and more reliable, even to the tune of 1 horsepower and 0.001 of a compression rate. It was bought to my attention alot during Rube...

OzFormula

Webber seems best on tracks that involve flowing high speed corners. If there is any degree of curb hopping required and alot of right angle stop start corners he seems to be significantly weaker than Vettel. Also if you look at Marks Jaguar and Williams career, he was mostly brilliant on occasion, ...

OzFormula

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failed on the last corner =/

PlanetF1 didn't cover it.

OzFormula

There's still plenty of time for Hamilton to win.

Vettel was 31 points off Lewis at this point in 2010 and still won despite quite a few race defeats.

Hamilton really just needs two wins in a row, particularly with Alonso being off the podium and the gap will be reduced significantly.

OzFormula

So basically you're saying, let's make Webber look better, and leave the others with misfortune look bad? Try not to twist my words there. I have very clearly said and acknowledged that this cost Webber. However, your idea of what he lost seems to be more based on what you think of Webber, than any...

OzFormula

I find it ironic that you say its insight into my mindset, when you blatently and obviously shut your eyes to the obvious. I've been extremely generous to Vettel and his talent throughout this debate. Often more generous than I think is fair, but I think this is the problem with Vettel fans, they a...

OzFormula

Well first, how much points did you 're-instate' Webber for those problems? Second, you're ignoring Vettel's KERS problems in one of the opening races, Vettel's front wing in Spain, and Vettel's set-up problems in Monaco. If you want to include everything for one driver, you need to for the other d...

OzFormula

Well first, how much points did you 're-instate' Webber for those problems? Second, you're ignoring Vettel's KERS problems in one of the opening races, Vettel's front wing in Spain, and Vettel's set-up problems in Monaco. If you want to include everything for one driver, you need to for the other d...

OzFormula

Grasping straws is talking circumstances for just one driver but you know that ;) Ive worked it out before, I think Webber has lost about 10 more points than Seb this year due to no fault of his own, if you count the Narain incident as 'not Vettels fault' than they are about even. I am curious to y...

OzFormula

OzFormula

Grasping straws is talking circumstances for just one driver but you know that ;) Ive worked it out before, I think Webber has lost about 10 more points than Seb this year due to no fault of his own, if you count the Narain incident as 'not Vettels fault' than they are about even. The problem seems...

OzFormula

Webber was hired to be the number 1 driver at Red Bull. He thoroughly outperformed Coulthard. Question for you, who said this - "Not bad for a #2 driver"? Webber, because the team were treating him like one, his performances never reflected one I said the same thing - his team believe he isnt a mat...

OzFormula

Which is why Brawn won 8 races to Red Bulls 6. Don't kid yourself, and don't kid the rest of us. There are people, even in this topic, claiming Red Bull is the fastest car this year. People who are so full of hate against a driver, will always come up with some excuse, and you know it. Red Bull onl...

OzFormula

Webber was hired to be the number 1 driver at Red Bull. He thoroughly outperformed Coulthard. Question for you, who said this - "Not bad for a #2 driver"? Webber, because the team were treating him like one, his performances never reflected one So Vettel beat a number #1 driver 23/11 ('09), 23/12 (...

OzFormula

But what does it mean that Hamilton beat a 2x WDC and another WDC if the reasoning here is that being a WDC holds no credit? That is my entire point. Being a WDC holds plenty of credit, particularly if it isn't in the fastest car, as champions such as Alonso and Schumacher have done. I don't rate B...

OzFormula

chinki wrote:
OzFormula wrote:Webber was hired to be the number 1 driver at Red Bull. He thoroughly outperformed Coulthard.
Question for you, who said this - "Not bad for a #2 driver"?

Webber, because the team were treating him like one, his performances never reflected one

OzFormula

It will hardly change anything. Any F1 expert already gives him credit, and the bashers around here will just find other excuses. If you were truly being honest and your standard was to 'give a driver credit by defeating team mates', you wouldn't credit Alonso and Hamilton either , as neither of th...

OzFormula

And Alonso has slaughtered Massa, who was almost a world champion. Mark was also almost a world champion, and he hasn't gone three seconds slower since an accident. And again, as you say there is no value in a world championship, what does it mean that Alonso beats someone who didn't win something ...

OzFormula

Go head to head with Alonso or Hamilton in the same car and win. Now that would be something! I hope Vettel will be a man and will take an option to drive for Ferrari in 2014 alongside Alonso. We would see how fast he really is coming from home at Red Bull into Alonso's red den :thumbup: We saw it ...

OzFormula

Go head to head with Alonso or Hamilton in the same car and win. Now that would be something! I hope Vettel will be a man and will take an option to drive for Ferrari in 2014 alongside Alonso. We would see how fast he really is coming from home at Red Bull into Alonso's red den :thumbup: We saw it ...

OzFormula

Go head to head with Alonso or Hamilton in the same car and win. Now that would be something! I hope Vettel will be a man and will take an option to drive for Ferrari in 2014 alongside Alonso. We would see how fast he really is coming from home at Red Bull into Alonso's red den :thumbup: We saw it ...

OzFormula

What on earth is he suggesting? That Schumacher makes older drivers look bad?

I really don't understand his point.

OzFormula

bourbon19 wrote:Say what you will - and Vettel will answer on track.

Go head to head with Alonso or Hamilton in the same car and win.

OzFormula

$1.42 per week isn't really that bad if they provide a digital magazine.

$5 a month isn't really substantial money for anyone.

OzFormula

But seriously comparing Button and Massa is laughable. Massa has not had the car last year nor this year that Jenson has enjoyed. I think if you gave Massa the equivalent car Jenson had he would do a very similar job. I remember what he was like in 2007 and 2008 (although he arguably isn't the same...

OzFormula

With no disrespect to Webber, I think Alonso and Hamilton are faster than him on one lap. So how can anyone say Red Bull wasn't the fastest car in last 3 years, when Webber in 2010 had 5 poles to Alonso's 2 and Hamilton's 1, while in 2011 Webber had 3 to Hamilton's 1 and 0 from Alonso? I don't thin...

OzFormula

Vettel is going very well. He has matched Hamilton in a car that has been around about the same for most of the year. That is a big plus for him. I don't think anyone would expect Vettel to challenge Alonso in equal machinery, but I think what Alonso has managed this year is simply unbelievable. Vet...

OzFormula

But seriously comparing Button and Massa is laughable. Massa has not had the car last year nor this year that Jenson has enjoyed. I think if you gave Massa the equivalent car Jenson had he would do a very similar job. I remember what he was like in 2007 and 2008 (although he arguably isn't the same...

OzFormula

But seriously comparing Button and Massa is laughable. Massa has not had the car last year nor this year that Jenson has enjoyed. I think if you gave Massa the equivalent car Jenson had he would do a very similar job. I remember what he was like in 2007 and 2008 (although he arguably isn't the same...

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