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Good point! Since they did not take away Alonso's Singapore win, it raises a question about what FIA will do retroactively? Sweet FA by the look of it. Unless they find out within the same season maybe, like 2007 McLaren. Maybe there's only a certain jurisdiction of time within which they can make ...

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I think this fits nicely in here: "Dont throw with rocks when you live in a glasshouse" I could understand the virocity of the defense if you were all saying Vettel's drive was fairy cakes based totally on luck but most of the people who say it had an amount of fortune also congratulate him on a to...

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You're not pointing it out because you know you're plainly lying and you're too scared to admit you're wrong. FACT IS that the 'crashfest' happened behind him. This is exactly the problem in this whole discussion; people make up what happened in their mind and are wilfully blind when the facts tell...

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Fans feel that drivers with multiple WDC must be better (more talented) than someone with one because they won it more times but its not the case, it's just that they've had the package required and finished off the job more. Usually it's the fans of the driver with less that panic and cry that it ...

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The Rubens Barrichello syndrome! So when Vettel leaves Red Bull/Webber retires, we're gonna have a weekly 'it's so unfair'-Tweet? Spare me :( But no, Mark's an honest and good guy. He's never hid his feelings before, and I will put my in a fire to say he won't. If he was being bullied at Red Bull, ...

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But gaining 26 seconds is. What good is gaining 26 seconds ( 14,42 to Button, but ok ) if it doesn't/hardly gains you any points? You're just grasping at things that make it seem like luck, while it was actually utterly insignificact. Gaining that much time in a race is massive. Regardless of point...

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Not one has labelled his drive as plain luck. Everyone actually acknowledges a very great drive from him. But also that events in the race went greatly in his favour. Most of them small, but they add up. The crashfest more than anything helped him get past a lot of the quicker cars. You don't have ...

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So if he had driven 21st to 4th, it would have been a great drive. But now that he had the safety car help him get to 3rd, it's a lucky drive... The things people come up with. I agree. You come up with some strange things. I already said several times that I thought Vettel drove really well ("drov...

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are you serious? Because nobody had a crystal ball, that's why. The SC came out after Seb had made his stop, bunching up the field for him and effectively negating the time spent in the pits. He couldn't have known that was going to happen. Please don't try to argue that it was some amazing strateg...

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So if he had driven 21st to 4th, it would have been a great drive. But now that he had the safety car help him get to 3rd, it's a lucky drive... The things people come up with. I agree. You come up with some strange things. I already said several times that I thought Vettel drove really well ("drov...

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Its ok, there is a lot of conspiracy surrounding F1, more so if you are at the top. Most of the time its the "Mark is given inferior car" posts. Trust me we dont have the time to build different performing bits and even if we could, it would not be beneficial for the team. Yet why is it lately that...

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So if he had driven 21st to 4th, it would have been a great drive. But now that he had the safety car help him get to 3rd, it's a lucky drive... The things people come up with. I agree. You come up with some strange things. I already said several times that I thought Vettel drove really well ("drov...

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I really dont get why it causes such a big issue. The drivers get paid to drive the car for the team. At the end of the day, like it or not , they are just paid employees like the rest of the team. As mentioned above , if Mark really felt so hard done by would he keep signing contract extensions ? ...

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are you serious? Because nobody had a crystal ball, that's why. The SC came out after Seb had made his stop, bunching up the field for him and effectively negating the time spent in the pits. He couldn't have known that was going to happen. Please don't try to argue that it was some amazing strateg...

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So if he had driven 21st to 4th, it would have been a great drive.
But now that he had the safety car help him get to 3rd, it's a lucky drive...
The things people come up with.

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The problem/sad thing is, when most people start talking about luck, they use that as a stick to discredit his drive. "Nice drive, great luck." That's just jealousy/envy, as we've seen a little too often towards Vettel. What I'm wondering is, when is the last time we saw a driver come through the fi...

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I really dont get why it causes such a big issue. The drivers get paid to drive the car for the team. At the end of the day, like it or not , they are just paid employees like the rest of the team. As mentioned above , if Mark really felt so hard done by would he keep signing contract extensions ? ...

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On Twitter he says he never said this, and is misquoted by the original source (Dutch Press Agency).

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Blake wrote:Don't you guys ever get tired of the "if that was Alonso...", "if Alonso did that..." whinging?

And you accuse Alonso of throwing his toys out of the crib?

Don't you ever get tired of a hypocrite double standard?

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Button won without the aid of being on better tyres, changing set up to be optimized for the race AND managed to over take the majority of the top cars on track for position (inc seb for the lead). Didn't have to give positions back for illegal over takes. I know you love ignoring posts that prove ...

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Button won without the aid of being on better tyres, changing set up to be optimized for the race AND managed to over take the majority of the top cars on track for position (inc seb for the lead). Didn't have to give positions back for illegal over takes. I know you love ignoring posts that prove ...

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Button won without the aid of being on better tyres, changing set up to be optimized for the race AND managed to over take the majority of the top cars on track for position (inc seb for the lead). Didn't have to give positions back for illegal over takes. I know you love ignoring posts that prove ...

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Playing overtaking now eh? I thought title is referring to number of SCs and luck ? Okay how many times did Button make a trip through the pit lane that day? Of course the Safety cars and red flag played into his hand, however on equal terms he dispatched more top drivers on track . Without the adv...

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But that does not mean he hasn't been wronged by the team. He has. In numerous occasions. If you choose to believe everything RBR says, of course, you will believe they are the cleanest racers and that they do not like team orders... Which is hilarious, but still your choice. Well, the thing is not...

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Interesting... Hmmm, let's see. 2011 Canada Grand Prix was won by McLaren driver Jenson Button who overtook Red Bull driver Sebastian Vettel on the last lap, making a total of 34 passes throughout the race.[3] The race made new records with it being the longest in Formula One history, lasting 4 hou...

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GingerFurball wrote:there's not a chance on old hard tyres he'd have been near the pace of the front runners.

He had the pace of Kimi while overtaking through the field.
Please stop making things up.

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Credit to an autosport.com-user who worded it perfectly. If not for the first safety car: * he would not have damaged his front wing to the point it needed replacement. * he would not have had to go in to change his front wing. * he would not have dropped to the back of the field again. * he would h...

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This clearly needs a repost. Yeah, there are 400,000 words in the English language, and there are seven of them that you can't say on television. What a ratio that is. 399,993 to seven. They must really be bad. They'd have to be outrageous, to be separated from a group that large. All of you over he...

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Got an opportunity to watch the podium interview this morning. My thoughts are that Kimi's swearing was probably more Kimi being Kimi than anything. He said it early on in the interview and I think it was a genuine slip of the tongue - probably deserves a slap on the wrist. Vettel however, what an ...

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Massa didn't deserve a black flag for spinning back into the direction of the track. Don't be silly. He didn't just spin out, he kept his foot in it and did a donut in the middle of the track roasting the tires in the path of oncoming cars! No he didn't. You need to rewatch it. There wasn't any car...

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Well, he got lucky that there was a first corner tangle that gave him at least 2 positions. With Hulk and Senna all being involved. Of which Senna stayed ahead. Then there was the first safety car, which changed his strategy, to one that turned out to be a very good one. Again, based on what is bei...

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The crucial bit is that Vettel was 4th, and a good 20 seconds behind Button in 3rd. With the SC he was 4th, and about 0.5 seconds behind Button in 3rd. With Vettel's pace, he may have caught Button before the end, but theres no denying he benefitted. and before you go on about how "oh it's only 1 p...

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He finished 3rd, probably not unreasonable given the destruction derby going on around him , and the SC situation, and Weber ceding a place. When he finally came up behind competitive cars, he gained only one place. I know it's hard to keep up with reality, but "given the destruction derby going on...

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The 1st safety car didn't cost him as he was able to pit and get back onto the back behind much slower cars. The first safety car is what forced him into the pits in the first place. The front-wing damage with Senna was not affecting him (check the lap times if you need). The damage with Riciardo t...

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In fairness, three positions CAN be absolutely crucial to a race result, depending on at what point during the race they happen, and at what cost they come to you in terms of tire deg and time lost. Im not saying anything about what was or wasn't lucky today, just that your logic regarding the thre...

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Lost people are just saying how he had a lot of luck today which you are blindly saying never happened. And none of those people have actually made a factual point. Only two drivers crashed out in front of Vettel, the first safety car cost him and the second safety car gave him a whopping 1 positio...

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