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Unless Ferrari offer him a seat, I reckon Mark will bow out. Can't see him resigning with Red Bull after the way he was shafted in Malaysia. Agreed, but I think they may want a veteran at Lotus if Kimi left to go with a young buck like Riccardo, Romain or JEV, so he may get a call to go there. But ...

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Seanie wrote:Unless Ferrari offer him a seat, I reckon Mark will bow out. Can't see him resigning with Red Bull after the way he was shafted in Malaysia.

Agreed, but I think they may want a veteran at Lotus if Kimi left to go with a young buck like Riccardo, Romain or JEV, so he may get a call to go there.

sennafan24

I could go on, but this is turning circular and a bit tiresome

Lets agree to disagree

sennafan24

"From 2009-2012 Lewis was a WDC calibre driver, but McLaren simply did not allow him to be so. Again, only 2011 was Lewis to blame for lack of success." Granted you have blamed Lewis for 2011. With or without 2011, Lewis and Button are very evenly matched. 2010 Lewis 3 wins , Button 2 wins , points...

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What you are really looking for is "Vettel". You want Lewis to be "Vettel", like Lewis would be deserving that more than any other driver on the grid, including Vettel himself. T here can be only one best machinery/team at the time. Blame the Goddess of Fortune.. or Lewis' karma.. But not other peo...

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I did not change the debate you also said mentioned 2010-2012 as a period where Lewis did as a good job as he could. Lewis wasn't able to keep up with Button and Hulkenberg in the rain, the only reason he got back to contention was the safety car erasing 45 second deficit to leaders.... I did not c...

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garagetinkerer wrote: Let me get this right so a car capable of winning 7 GP's in a season is not so good as a car that won 3

Not when its reliability and team are worse no.

In these day it is a 20 race season, as well so having the best car in say 7 weekends, can be trumped more easy.

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2 races Abu Dhabi and Singapore. Of course he would manage a podium at Australia. There McLarens qualified 0.75 sec over the Red Bulls. In the race forgot about Button, he was outraced by Vettel. I can easily add more... At Brasil he was 45 seconds behind Button and Hulkenberg before the safety car...

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sorry that i intrude in your conversation :P However, consider that Alonso has only had 4 cars which could properly be called competitive. Consider that Kimi in a decade long career, has had a competitive car only thrice. Button who had absolutely no hope and more importantly no seat and had only 1...

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Lewis deserves little blame for 2012, I see no reason why it was his fault he was not WDC, for my money he was better than Vettel and equal or not far of Alonso. The reason why McLaren won as many GP's in 2012 is because weekends when McLaren did not mess up, Lewis took full advantage and maximized...

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garagetinkerer wrote: (and boy have i got some heat for my opinions ).

And rightfully so

sennafan24

You never know what the future may bring. What if MB quits? It's smart as long as it works out somehow. If not, then it is stupid. Anyway. It is not about Lewis being smart or not smart to leave. He took his chances. It's his life. I just find it shame that McLaren is being attacked for failing Lew...

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The car was unreliable though as both Lewis and Jenson found out

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And for some reason, I am getting this impression that you are viewing one Lewis being as important and valuable as one McLaren team. The team gave their best (just as Lewis did). Hundreds of people being engaged in hard work on the top level, enormous money invested. Well, they failed one Lewis Ha...

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And now, Lewis is not even a rookie but a proven top driver. What bargain has Lewis gotten with MB? None. Expect those € 20 mil a year, as we know of, of course. Lewis took his chance with MB. The man himself stated very clearly that he was the kind of a man that loves taking the risks, so he goes ...

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Who's blaming him for 2012? I'm just saying that 2012 car was excellent... nothing more and nothing less. Its tied into his legacy 2012, as I have said his performances at times were outstanding. 2012 the car was fast, but supported by a team of cowboys and could be unreliable. That cost Lewis, not...

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Do you really think Ron/ Martin forced Lewis to publish telemetry on twitter? Can you blame them? Can you blame them again when Lewis lost his nerve once more with the whole "button unfollowed" episode? No, but they are not related to on track performance But I can blame them for all the utter mist...

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Lewis losing the "sure" title due to his embarrassing pit lane blunders, is legendary. He got the perfect car from the team. But he blew it. So it is not so difficult to blame Lewis for the blunders done by Lewis. One only needs to remember, which is not so difficult. The point is not to go blaming...

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But it is not their fault that Lewis did not get that car of his dreams. They tried their best, and that one not being directly for the sake of one Lewis, but for the sake of their team that they work for, as well as their own sake (and so for the sake of Lewis as an important integral part of the ...

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garagetinkerer wrote: For what it is worth, i do not blame Ron, Martin for any of Lewis' failings, like i wouldn't blame Lewis for any of their failings.

Really?

How about them making sure Lewis had a better car in 2009, 2010 and 2012, then maybe his stellar driving would have won him a good few more WDC's

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as I said before and he gets easily distracted and affected with what happens around him. What I dislike is that Vettel is discredited a lot in this forum, sometimes with arguments that even apply to Hamilton, while Hammy credentials are never questioned. I agree with first part, and have been a cr...

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Webber2013 wrote:This forum is a Hamilton love fest most days.

Sooner everyone recognises that the better

Not sure where this comes from, I think most vocal and frequent posters on here have not so good view on him.

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People do it with LH all the time. Have you noticed all over the web how often EVERY F1 article's or feature's comments have turned into a Hamilton-fest? :D it's how it goes. People digress...we're doing it as we speak... Yes but no need to bring Seb into this thread to such a massive extent and th...

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Neutrality wrote:
Think KIMI could prob be added to that list?

Yes, and like Lewis in 2011 he has a off year in 2008 but has performed to a decent standard in all other years.

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In terms of relative performance Lewis is arguably the mots consistent and best on the grid the past 5 years or so, only Alonso and now Vettel can form a argument either way. To say he is a "hype machine" is pure nonsense. No, he isn't. Such consistent and best on the grid drivers does not get outs...

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My god, another thread for "vettel is the greatest"!!! Vettel fans must have the worst case of inferiority complex here. Well he is very good. Personally I do think he's the best at the moment. Vettel is the best driver of 2013 so far. But in no way shape or form can he at this stage be compared to...

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I got a warning from some 'Mod' about going off topic all the time...does it REALLY matter? When I come to read these discussions and they swerve off course, I couldn't care less, personally. People here enjoy debating, discussing and showing what they know. I say leave everyone to it. If other peo...

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His legacy so far is a F1 wannabe hiphop singer driver that took his dog to the races. Let's see for how much longer the Hammy hype machine can keep running on thin air This sort of clear hatred just makes your other comments irrelevant in the process. "F1 Wannabe"? He is a former WDC and has perfo...

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[quote="Neutrality" IMO Lewis's issues have nothing to do with his on track ability, which I feel is on par with the other top drivers. Where he falls down is off the track and I put this firmly at the feet of those who brought him through the ranks. Ron Dennis and co failed to allow him the opportu...

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I tried looking for the article where i read it originally, but couldn't find a link... However, i found the link to the source website of the author. http://f1elvis.com/2012/09/26/lewis-hamilton-boy-to-man/ After relations between our two drivers reached breaking point during that infamous qualify...

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Lets just say Mercedes throw in the towel, as a Lewis fan the only place I would be happy he ended up is Red Bull which unlikely to happen, as I have no faith in Ferrari, Lotus or McLaren to adapt as well to the regulations next year. I see Lotus as a option for Lewis, but I have a horrible feeling ...

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Could I get link to that Prisley article please man, I have not actually read it? Yes I agree Webber has been a miserable so and so with Seb a lot of the time which is harsh as until Sepang I always felt Red Bull messed about with Webber and not Seb directly, yet Webber seemed to resent Seb. I have ...

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Got to be The Rock or CM Punk then

sennafan24

For what's its worth, let me just say that you missed the point, and by a country mile. Nobody's questioning what Lewis did in '07, but what i raised was an opportunity to win a title which is rare enough as it is, and it slipped by... So far he has had 3 shots at title, in 2007, 2008, and 2010. As...

sennafan24

I guess simply what I am saying is.

I attribute bad luck and outside problems (team failures/car) to attribute around 80 percent of the reason why Lewis has not won a WDC since 2008.

The remaining 20 percent is due to his doing.

sennafan24

YAAWWWNNN!! Boring...god knows why people love talking about hamilton so much. If his so fairy cakes, why talk about him? I can see why people get narked when he gets brought up when he is not relevant. But he is the biggest star in F1 along with Alonso present day, so it is no wonder he gets broug...

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Nothing wrong in caring about your legacy, far from narcissistic. Heck he is one of the best drivers in the world he clearly takes his career and life very seriously, of course he is going to think about how he will be remembered in something as important and valued as F1. Its more self-empowerment....

sennafan24

I've always maintained... greatness is part talent, and part what you do with it. Lewis falls short at times on the latter (relatively speaking, but it is always relative to the peers at the time). While you're reasonably quick to lay the blame at the doors of McLaren (man, i told you before, as a ...

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But the thing is, you have to capitalise on times when the car IS working well, and IMO I just feel that other drivers did better and were more consistent. No driver is superman. For me other than maybe 2 or 3 races tops last year Lewis did all he could in my eyes. He was just as consistent as Alon...

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Schuttelberg wrote:
sennafan24 wrote:
Schuttelberg wrote:
"But Satisfaction!"
You would be surprised as I am not a Vettel fan, but I loved that quote

Kudos to fans like you, that see through things like that even though you don't like someone.

Thanks man

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