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Button a comfortable 3rd/4th.
Winner, sad to say, I think Alonso.

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Well, nowadays when they try to extract 0.00012457785 seconds from the tiniest curve, I'm guessing the aesthetics is a big fat zero for a team.
Back in the 90's, when an engine really mattered, they could afford having sleek lines...look at the '97 Williams, always a looker in my book.

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...I don't know, I think it's too obvious to actually be a conspiracy theory. If they wanted to keep the poor bloke away from Vettel they could have done something else, less obvious, I don't know, a bad front wing angle or some such... Leaving him out of gas in the view of the whole world (which wa...

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Well, honestly, I still criticize the move. Whilst McLaren have been a title contender like...always, Mercedes have still to prove themselves as a true-blue contender. Sure, two good races, but we'll see how they progress. Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm still not convinced it was the best choi...

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I'll get on the wagon too... Vettel - seems spoiled and "in-your-face". Ok, ok, we know you won, no need to poke our eyes out afterwards. I'll be really happy when he'll have a midfield season, to see if he can grow some humility. Alonso, for the tons of reasons given by the previous posters. Not ve...

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And, if I remember correctly, we had up until recent years some similar situation, with one driver taking the other's car. I'm referring of course to the spare car (il muletto, as the Italians say it) which usually was prepared (set-up) in one race weekend for one of the 2 drivers. However, if the o...

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...aaaand we are at 36 pages and still going.

Jesus H Christ, talk about bad scheduling for races. China's not for 2 weeks yet, at this rate the topic will reach 50 pages easy. Honestly, did any of us had the patience to read it from start to finish?

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Hm...I'm not really convinced...I've heard of so many companies and Juniors not being able to maintain their Senior's legacies that I'm rather reluctant to this move... Sure, Ol Papa Frank must retire sooner or later, probably with the death of his wife this will be quite soon, understandable, thank...

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Webber did race like a real man in the past, and I'm strongly inclined to think he'll do even more that in the next races. There are other drivers which need to ask themselves the questions in regards of the sissy/real man racing. As for the topic question -bad idea from a manager's point of view. W...

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To answer the topic question...yes. If Webber will be out of the WDC game (and will consider retirement) I don't think he would mind very much getting passed by Alonso. He can fake a slide/exit car on grass as well as the next guy, I suppose. RBR will have to pull out the 2014 contract carrot fairly...

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Ehm, it will come soon enough. In the recent years, WDC's have been rather young newcommers, at least this is what I deduce from the charts: 2005 Alonso 24 years old 2006 Alonso 25 years old 2007 Raikkonen 28 years old 2008 Hamilton 23 years old 2009 Button 29 years old 2010 Vettel 23 years old 2011...

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I don't think it's only the Bottas factor which matters, it looks like the car itself is a dog...Maldonado's not exactly impressive either. Actually, 2 races in the season, looking at the blunders list, I could swear Maldonado is the rookie. And besides, with the shakedowns going on at Williams thes...

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Kind of disagree about the "no-one wins" bit. Suppose Vettel would have respected the team orders and did not pass Webber. Then, instead of one puppet team (Mercedes, sorry for saying it but that's the way it looked in this race) we would have had 2 puppet teams in the same race. (probably there wer...

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Well, then, let's throw those days out the window, shall we? Let's design a standard fuel tank for all cars, with the same capacity. Let's fuel the cars 100% at the start of each race. This way, the cars which will drive faster>>consume more fuel>>getting lighter by the end of the race>>be faster st...

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I would agree that the Australian is no big concern for Vettel in his title lead. Somehow, even with this big masquerade party we had last week, I think the team will still favor Vettel. He's the one with 3WDC's. Mark - none WDCs. And, if Webber will really insist into bringing a solid opposition to...

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Winners from this situation, let's see: -the Toro Rosso guys -Paddy Lowe, he's one step closer of getting Brawn fired and taking its place (or whatever place he'll get) -whoever was praying for the RBR temple to crumble (including me). I sincerely hope this hullabaloo will finally crack the Marko-Ho...

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Eh, we'll never know. Ugly thing from Vettel to say on the radio. Uglier still, the post-race contradictory statements, and to lie about not knowing about the team orders. Ugly, ugly, ugly. However, respect for chasing the victory despite team orders. How he did it does shed a lot of dark shadows, b...

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Well, at least Vettel's actions show Webber he can't be trusted. That, at least, is a positive thing for the future.

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Anyway, he would have been close, and those points (3th, 4th, 5th whatever) would have come in handy.

No use crying over spilled milk now anyway. That's the way it went, but at least the car showed good improvements comparing to Australia.

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Yeah, after crossing the finish line swinging, a lot of good do those apologizes. Like an ointment to a wooden leg, we say in Romania. Sorry, I don't buy it. if anything, Webber should just throw team orders out the window and show - in what is probably his last year at RBR anyway - that he can beat...

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Well, that did it. Up until today, I respected his race-craft skills enough to close my eyes at his human nature.

After today...Vettel haters, here I come.

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Well, maybe this will show some high-rollers what happens when you allow for open team orders...disgrace in corpore.

Then again, this will make a huge tabloid scandal. And there's no such thing as bad publicity.

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...and, as far as I know, Webber was the one which backed off and protected his team-mate in the next curve.

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Bleah...
team orders from RBR
team orders from Merc
nasty words on podium
Button having his (rather solid) race thrown off (he was with 1 stop less strategy that the others)

That's one ugly race for me, honestly.

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Damn, that McLaren looks like it has wooden shock dampers...or no dampers at all. No wonder it's so slow.

Interesting grid, with Hamilton right up there, plus Massa -usually a big starter, just in the rear of Webber's usually low-starts.

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fairy cakes, Button on slicks, will it pay off?

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Perez will be smoking mad, what is it, 16th? with Maldonado nearby, that's a really hot point in the starting grid...

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Well, Button played tag with the heart attack...
Perez shows a really bad strategy call. Wonder who was the one which decided this...

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Wow, this is great!! damp track, drying in progress, everybody improves all the time...it's gonna be down to the last lap for everybody to see which one actually goes through. By the way, this no-commentaries thing is great. Just engine action+radio transmissions. I nearly forgot how good that was. ...

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Well, good morning boys and girls, here we go (again). If you first don't succeed, try, try again.
And we are green!!! and I have no commentary at TV (probably commentators sleeping) but at least I have live feed.

Everybody with green Cinturato, damp track.

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...but it's set at 11.00 local time...how much early can they get it? besides, at 11.00 the weather, the track, start warming up after the night, compared to setting it at...9.00 let's say...when we might incur having both bad weather and very cold track (due to the night cold).

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I was thinking kind of the same thing, except that list I saw didn't look symmetrical all the way to P16, but only to P10. P11-16 were slightly shuffled (probably because One Sauber and one Williams were bellow the line. Strange, then, that Williams and India would have accepted this Q1 proposal, wi...

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Ugh...don't remind me... 8O Now, about the qualifying, this would be the Q1 list (LE: taken from the ESPN site): Driver Teams Laps 1 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 11 2 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 10 3 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 10 4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 8 5 J Button (GBR) McLaren 10 6 S Perez (MEX) McLaren 10 7 ...

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Well, if speaking about Australia, I suppose that in desperation they'll have to use the already used tires from FP3 or Quali stage 1...they can't be all that worn out, I guess.

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It may not even depend on Massa's own performance anymore, to be honest. Even with a decent 2013 season, Massa might be victim of politics. If (and this is a supposition, please don't jump off the roof yet)...so, if Ferrari blunders this year and they fail to deliver a WDC/WCC, somebody will have to...

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Sorry, but I disagree. By comparison, I never liked the 1995 Schumacher, mostly for off-track reasons,and I didn't believe he was the cause of success at Benetton. I didn't like him at Ferrari either, but at least in 96, when showing his willingness to quit the current WDC team and tackle on a new t...

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Yeah, but nevertheless one does not say such things about his team...there are other, nicer ways to put it. As for Maldonado being desperate...he has 1 full season to prove himself. Which is pretty much what all other rookies have. And he has experience, lots more experience than said rookies. If he...

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I'm trying to cope with this mentally , and just sit down and wait...but since I'm no engineer, I just keep on asking myself "what if the car was designed with a fundamental flaw and it is purely crap?" I mean, what Whitmarsh says sounds relatively good and logical, we need time to break in the pull...

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I think is was last year I saw something like a garbage truck/automatic sweeper trying to dry at least corners. Where was that? I just can't put my finger on it. Agreed it would take forever to dry the whole track with jet blowers, but why not use it at least in the sections where there's more water...

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I agree with the FIA decision. As alex and the others have said those white paint markings were pretty slippery to race on. I dont see a point in cribbing so much because some people woke up to watch the quali and didnt any. How many times has it rained so much for it to happen? Not many IIRC. The ...

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