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by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

Through results which can't be guaranteed given what is perceived as a top driver, Russell, has scored zero points for the team thus far, how would I presume two inferior drivers do better than Russell and thus bring extra money to the team, more money than what Latifi can guarantee, also let's not...
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 40
Views: 1848

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

60% chance of rain. Hopefully we get a spicy rain. The more rain the better otherwise I see Max as the favourite. I'd still see Max as the favourite ;) :o Well if he can help to damage Hamilton's car again like in the last wet race at Imola then I'm sure that would help, even then Max had to pit ra...
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 40
Views: 1848

Re: 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

pokerman wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:59 pm
Schermerhorn wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:42 pm
60% chance of rain.

Hopefully we get a spicy rain.
The more rain the better otherwise I see Max as the favourite.
Max will still be the favourite as long as the car is as good or better.
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:04 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

With such a ridiculous bit of action from Red Bull they really should have faced some sort of action like you would in other sports. Just a fine of sorts that would go in to youth level racing. Otherwise everyone may as well appeal everything and waste everyone's time. Red Bull didn't appeal. All t...
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

With such a ridiculous bit of action from Red Bull they really should have faced some sort of action like you would in other sports. Just a fine of sorts that would go in to youth level racing. Otherwise everyone may as well appeal everything and waste everyone's time. Red Bull didn't appeal. All t...
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

I never said two Latifi level drivers I expect one driver to be decent, I responded to what I believe was said that two decent drivers would be better than keeping Latifi in order to raise the profile of the team. The team may have a higher share price with two decent level drivers than a decent le...
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

During the last ten/twelve years how many drivers got a "championship contending car" ? Some happy years four, or else only two. If you don't take into account the obvious subservient n° 2 drivers, it reduces the number to 1 or 2. Such is the state of F1 that I wouldn't bet on any of the current "b...
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

No I'm saying that if Kubica's car counts then so should Ricciardo's car, I think it's unfair that Kubica should be discounted because he himself was able to make the difference whilst Ricciardo couldn't. I've the shown the numbers on how Kubica's car shouldn't be considered in itself as being a ti...
by mikeyg123
Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:53 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

Any predictions on what the new evidence is. For it to be admissible it has to have been: Not evidence the stewards were aware of at the time of the original verdict. Unavailable at the time to the party lodging the appeal of the original verdict. Substantially different to evidence used in the ori...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

I'm talking about if they look better next year with two decent drivers than they would do with one decent driver and Latifi. Could they finish higher up in the WCC if they do? Could they raise their value in the stock market? I don't think they could at present, unless their second driver has Russ...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I said greatest not best. Two different things. For example I think Alonso is better (based on their entire careers rather than right now) than Hamilton, but Hamilton is no doubt greater. On a purely reputational level surely Stefan Bellof must be a contender then. If we were talking best perhaps. ...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

Hamilton actually did yield, he just accidentally punted Verstappen off in the process. It's been pretty one sided in wheel-to-wheel combat this season in Verstappen's favour. Hamilton is yet to show anything more than flashes of the superb racecraft he showed between 2010-2016. If you can't beat h...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

This is Max being Max, not willing to give an inch even when it's clear he's at a disadvantage and relying on intimidation to force the other guy to lift because there's no way he's going to yield, but in this instance, he tried to intimidate the wrong driver on the wrong day, whilst helping said d...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Bottom line Kubica drove a car capable of challenging the championship and Ricciardo hasn't. I think it's very important to make the distinction between a circumstantial challenger and a bona fide challenger. Kubica's 2008 challenge was firmly circumstantial. Hamilton and Massa were rather inconsis...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

I'm saying they need to improve the car massively to appear better then they are presently given that whoever replaces Russell will surely be worse, a bigger problem is the car rather then Latifi, if they don't improve the car weaker drivers are hardly going to offset the finance that Latifi brings...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

During the last ten/twelve years how many drivers got a "championship contending car" ? Some happy years four, or else only two. If you don't take into account the obvious subservient n° 2 drivers, it reduces the number to 1 or 2. Such is the state of F1 that I wouldn't bet on any of the current "b...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Again his car was little better than Ricciardo's car is this season, Kubica got driver of the year because he was viewed as challenging for the title in a none title capable car otherwise finishing 4th in the WDC is in itself somewhat nondescript. We are looking to credit Ricciardo as the greatest ...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

During the last ten/twelve years how many drivers got a "championship contending car" ? Some happy years four, or else only two. If you don't take into account the obvious subservient n° 2 drivers, it reduces the number to 1 or 2. Such is the state of F1 that I wouldn't bet on any of the current "b...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

If it's not appearing better with Russell how is it going to appear better with a weaker drivers than Russell. Erm, it appears massively better with Russell than it would do with two Latifi's.... Baffled by how you can even argue that. I'm saying they need to improve the car massively to appear bet...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021
Replies: 669
Views: 34751

Re: Mercedes vs Red Bull - 2021

I’m interested in where Vettel and Leclerc fit into this- Verstappen Hamilton +0.2 Bottas +0.4 Perez +0.5 Have you worked it out? I have Vettel at Bottas level and Leclerc at Verstappen level or close to. Depends if you count 2019 or not. If you do, then Leclerc is 1.0-1.5 tenths slower than Versta...
by mikeyg123
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:21 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

Not at all, you think somehow that Kubica had fair chance in the 3rd best car because he got reasonable close unlike Ricciardo, but when we crunch the numbers we see that Ricciardo this season has a car little slower, that's credit to Kubica he was able to do better than Ricciardo but we will lamen...
by mikeyg123
Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

For sure because in qualy at least, the difference between Russel & Latifi is night & day. Especially seeing as Williams is floated on the Stock Exchange. Appearing better increases Williams value. If it's not appearing better with Russell how is it going to appear better with a weaker drivers than...
by mikeyg123
Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

He still would qualify because it's also reliant on both Max and Hamilton messing up which isn't happening. Sure, so as it stands he's never driven a car capable of contending for the championship. I'm at a loss as to why this is so difficult for you. Sometimes it feels like you just want to argue ...
by mikeyg123
Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion

Unless they really have some new, as yet unseen, revelation this really does seem a waste of time.
by mikeyg123
Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I see your point now but that was somewhat gifted to Kubica, did he have fair chance in the car he had, I would say no, I thought that was the point of Ricciardo being given a title capable car and then we're into deep semantics into exactly what challenging is, Kubica won one race, Ricciardo won 3...
by mikeyg123
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:59 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

He relied on the faster cars messing up to have any kind of chance, his destiny was not in his own hands, he himself wasn't in a position to dictate the outcome of races as in winning races, for me that's not having a title capable car. I never said title capable I said TITLE CHALLENGING. Which the...
by mikeyg123
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:02 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Formula E
Replies: 25
Views: 654

Re: Formula E

I do share a lot of the frustrations with FE that many others do. For one thing, the power overuse penalties. The cars are limited on how much power can be sent to the wheels at any given moment, but hitting a bump and taking off for a fraction of a second is deemed worthy of punishment, because th...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJTAVnaLRI Have a look at this incident from Portugal practise. Then read Horners comments on the incident. "And then obviously, Lance, for whatever reason. hasn't seen him. And he's committed to the corner and he's turned in. So I think one was expecting the other ...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:56 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

One is a guarantee the other is not, how can you judge that Williams make such good progress with the car, the driver they replace Latifi with is probably going to be worse than Russell who thus far in two and a half seasons for the team has scored zero points. Yeah, obviously it's a gamble right. ...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

In the third best car, how was that a WDC capable car and only in the hunt due to McLaren/Mercedes mess ups, he won only one race because of the pit lane collision between Hamilton and Kimi, he was out of contention in the last third of the season. In 2014 Ricciardo had the 2nd/3rd best car and won...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Formula E
Replies: 25
Views: 654

Re: Formula E

I've watched FE from the start but this has been the toughest season to enjoy and I did kind of give up a few races ago but came back to watch London. It just feels more like an exercise in correctly negotiating procedural bureaucracy than racing. One tiny error by the team receives a penalty so sev...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:30 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

I still don't see any team being happy to throw away money sorting out contract disputes. Depends how much money. How much does a team like Williams gain from going from say 8th to 6th in the WCC? One is a guarantee the other is not, how can you judge that Williams make such good progress with the ...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:48 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

Then no contract is actually valid in respect to this thread if the teams are happy to incur financial loss or pay drivers not to race. A few weeks back I recollect the owner of William's team saying as of now their finances are in good shape & for them now having 2 good drivers is the priority. I ...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

To be fair to Masi he was new to the job and perhaps finding his feet, I think he is now finding a better way were stewards decisions can be more consistent, with the Austria 2019 incident it was an obvious cop out for political reasons, at the time to find Leclerc partly responsible was ridiculous...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

I think that potentially should be the case. Unfortunately we have seen a lot of precedents in corners such as that which suggest you don't get penalised for shoving someone off the track on the outside. That being said Rosberg did get penalised for doing something like that against Hamilton in tha...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

I've thought of one Robert Kubica but I guess his career got cut short so he might have, greatest ever driver never to have perhaps has poor timing given his performance thus far this season, his stock has dropped, Ricciardo is starting to look like a busted flush, any route to a title contending c...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:30 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2022
Replies: 214
Views: 12006

Re: Silly Season 2022

I believe that Gasly and Latifi have contracts. I think Gasly's contract was only for 2021, but with the very obvious caveat that Red Bull will have the option to extend it into 2022 if they wish. Latifi's contract was reported to be three years, so until the end of 2022. But I think it's safe to s...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:36 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

So in this incident (Leclerc/Verstappen in Austria 2019), had Leclerc simply turned into the corner and headed on a line that took him a car's width from the apex, Verstappen would have been entirely to blame for the inevitable resulting contact? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4 I think ...
by mikeyg123
Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:12 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton/Verstappen British GP 2021 Collision Discussion
Replies: 616
Views: 22183

Re: Forum verdict on the Hamilton/Verstappen collision

So in this incident (Leclerc/Verstappen in Austria 2019), had Leclerc simply turned into the corner and headed on a line that took him a car's width from the apex, Verstappen would have been entirely to blame for the inevitable resulting contact? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4 I think ...
by mikeyg123
Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Ricciardo done?
Replies: 83
Views: 3181

Re: Is Ricciardo done?

In the third best car, how was that a WDC capable car and only in the hunt due to McLaren/Mercedes mess ups, he won only one race because of the pit lane collision between Hamilton and Kimi, he was out of contention in the last third of the season. In 2014 Ricciardo had the 2nd/3rd best car and won...