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by KingVoid
Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

We forget the Monaco race in 2016 that Ricciardo should have won and have the need to mention Verstappen's rookie teammate, the years you look to mention Mercedes never had the kind of dominance that Red Bull have now, apart from 2020, also Mercedes are far more inferior when it comes to strategy w...
by KingVoid
Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

Verstappen won races in inferior cars also in 2016, 2017 and 2018, ah but his teammate also was able to win races in those years. Monaco 2018 is the only race Ricciardo won on raw pace in his entire Red Bull career, every other race he won was thanks to dumb luck with Mercedes drivers usually falli...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:09 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

There was nothing perfectly timed about the red flag at Silverstone. It was a red flag because of the severity of the hit, and the need to rearrange the Tecpro barriers. And since every red flag means there's a possibility of repairing damage, there is no reason to say Hamilton should have retired ...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

There was nothing perfectly timed about the red flag at Silverstone. It was a red flag because of the severity of the hit, and the need to rearrange the Tecpro barriers. And since every red flag means there's a possibility of repairing damage, there is no reason to say Hamilton should have retired ...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

3rd best car in 2019 and probably 2nd best car in 2020. Both miles off as the fastest car. Probably by a similar amount to how far Mercedes were off Red Bull in 2022 and 2023 Verstappen’s performances with inferior cars in 2019 and 2020 are miles above Hamilton in 2022 and 2023 with a comparable de...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

No Masi didn't change the rules for the Silverstone GP so I'm not sure what argument you're looking to make plus Verstappen evened things up at Monza . Assuming both races would have finished in the running order prior to the incident (for simplicity sake). . . Silverstone: Max lost 32 points (+7 t...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:56 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

Prost is “greater” than Alonso and Verstappen by virtue of having a lot more success than Alonso, and having won with different teams unlike Verstappen, even though both Verstappen and Alonso are easily better drivers than Prost. Makes these rankings quite tricky and complicated. Verstappen will al...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:52 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

The 2 times Max had formidable teammates in Sainz and Ricciardo he didn't beat them so comfortably and Bottas is every bit as good as both of them, and on his day with a car he feels he's gellign with, Bottas proved to be pretty unbeatable by anyone. I have said it before and I will say it again, i...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:50 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

F1 MERCENARY wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:59 am
Compare Hamilton throughout his career, he won several races in cars that were easily not the best.
The difference between 2009-2013 and now is that back then, the best car was driven by Vettel, not Verstappen. I suspect that Verstappen would have kept Hamilton winless in 2009 and 2013.
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:11 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

An only 2nd fastest car which is not behind much and slow team mates help with that a lot. Last year Lewis had the 3rd best car which he brought to be the 2nd best after RB. 3rd best car in 2019 and probably 2nd best car in 2020. Both miles off as the fastest car. Probably by a similar amount to ho...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:00 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

He just looked a step above every other driver, even when he had a slower car. An only 2nd fastest car which is not behind much and slow team mates help with that a lot. Last year Lewis had the 3rd best car which he brought to be the 2nd best after RB. 3rd best car in 2019 and probably 2nd best car...
by KingVoid
Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:52 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

Prost is “greater” than Alonso and Verstappen by virtue of having a lot more success than Alonso, and having won with different teams unlike Verstappen, even though both Verstappen and Alonso are easily better drivers than Prost. Makes these rankings quite tricky and complicated. Verstappen will al...
by KingVoid
Fri Mar 15, 2024 4:29 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

The lack of verstapoen mistakes is also due to the fact he almost never has to push. Like when is the last time max had to really fight another driver for a win? Off the top of my head it was Vegas. And he got entangled with George there. Before that? I cannot recall. Anyway, its time we see max be...
by KingVoid
Fri Mar 15, 2024 4:25 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

Prost is “greater” than Alonso and Verstappen by virtue of having a lot more success than Alonso, and having won with different teams unlike Verstappen, even though both Verstappen and Alonso are easily better drivers than Prost. Makes these rankings quite tricky and complicated. Verstappen will alm...
by KingVoid
Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:59 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

The lack of verstapoen mistakes is also due to the fact he almost never has to push. Like when is the last time max had to really fight another driver for a win? Off the top of my head it was Vegas. And he got entangled with George there. Before that? I cannot recall. Anyway, its time we see max be...
by KingVoid
Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:56 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

Your reference to Germany 2019 not being anything to do with strategy is funny, when Merc put Hamilton on dry tyres as it started raining despite him warning them against it and then when he lost his front wing as a result giving him a 90 second pitstop or whatever it was Not only was Verstappen al...
by KingVoid
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:39 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

Marko as per his words to Sky Germany is staying at Red Bull & not getting suspended either. As long as Marko is there, Verstappen isn't going to Mercedes but would love to see. Deep down why I feel Verstappen fears of failure where he isn't winning or dominating. Mercedes as a team are struggling ...
by KingVoid
Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:07 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

Verstappen would have won races in a Mercedes in 2022 and 2023 largely because if he's driving for Mercedes then he's not driving for Red Bull. Mercedes drivers finished second to Verstappen 8 times across 2022 and 2023. Spain 2022 - you needed someone with Russell qualifying pace and Hamilton race...
by KingVoid
Tue Mar 12, 2024 7:59 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 289
Views: 14869

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

Every day that goes by it seems max to Merc is becoming more likely. For Max to say that he won’t stay at rbr if Marko is let go is huge. Meanwhile Horner says no person is bigger than the team and it seems he believes he can continue to win without Max or Newey. It would be amazing for the sport t...
by KingVoid
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Christian Horner Allegations Thread
Replies: 427
Views: 25701

Re: Christian Horner Allegations Thread

The Telegraph (UK) are reporting that Jos has said that Max will leave Red Bull if Horner stays. Also that Jos met with Toto over the weekend. I see that as a pure bluff, he let the media see him talking with Wolff, he thinks his son can go up against the Red Bull in a Mercedes. If they’ve started ...
by KingVoid
Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Your favourite seasoning opening race (since 2000)
Replies: 17
Views: 1808

Re: Your favourite seasoning opening race (since 2000)

10. Australia 2002 A chaotic race with a dramatic first stint, but it died down quite a bit after Schumacher overtook Montoya, and it had the gloomy look of Ferrari dominance. 9. Australia 2008 A chaotic race and a competitive field to show for it, we knew that the title fight would be similar to la...
by KingVoid
Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken
Replies: 214
Views: 27514

Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

Crazy how fast things can change. To be honest, I am still not counting out the idea of Red Bull having a disastrous 2026 engine and Verstappen retiring early (instead of moving a works team like Mercedes, Ferrari or Aston Honda). Of course, it's also possible that all these so-called retirement th...
by KingVoid
Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:14 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken
Replies: 214
Views: 27514

Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

Crazy how fast things can change. To be honest, I am still not counting out the idea of Red Bull having a disastrous 2026 engine and Verstappen retiring early (instead of moving a works team like Mercedes, Ferrari or Aston Honda). Of course, it's also possible that all these so-called retirement thr...
by KingVoid
Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:45 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Max vs Teammates
Replies: 58
Views: 4126

Re: Max vs Teammates

I have to say I'm a bit surprised by someone who professes himself to be a data person didn't have the data for the driver you support, or maybe not, you guessed it was half a second and hey presto you found the evidence to back up your guess. I’ve just done the maths and have come to the conclusio...
by KingVoid
Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Max vs Teammates
Replies: 58
Views: 4126

Re: Max vs Teammates

I don’t even need to do any research to know that Pokerman’s figures are false, Verstappen’s gap over Perez last year in qualifying was definitely bigger than 0.32s. If I have time I will do proper research myself. Closer to half a second would sound about right. Again perception at this point. “Ma...
by KingVoid
Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Max vs Teammates
Replies: 58
Views: 4126

Re: Max vs Teammates

I don’t even need to do any research to know that Pokerman’s figures are false, Verstappen’s gap over Perez last year in qualifying was definitely bigger than 0.32s. If I have time I will do proper research myself. Closer to half a second would sound about right.
by KingVoid
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:37 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Perez Teammates
Replies: 24
Views: 2369

Re: Perez Teammates

Interesting data! We also see demonstrated here one of the limitations of teammate comparisons: Ocon was already quicker than Perez at the beginning of his career, but we now see that Ocon isn't any quicker than Gasly and potentially slower, but Gasly was significantly worse against a weaker versio...
by KingVoid
Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:29 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Max vs Teammates
Replies: 58
Views: 4126

Re: Max vs Teammates

I doubt Ricciardo or Sainz are that much better than Perez (Ricciardo before his disastrous McLaren stint probably was, but not by a huge margin). They would have all met the same fate if they faced Verstappen after the age of around 21/22. Verstappen is a very unique driver because he’s the only on...
by KingVoid
Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

Since we are on the topic of age discourse and how young drivers are when they begin racing, I find an interesting comparison between Jacques Villeneuve and Bruno Senna. Both began driving go karts when they were very young, like as young as Max (when they were five), both grew up in racing families...
by KingVoid
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

Clear steps? 2017 and 2018 are very similar. Furthermore 2016 had a distinct pattern. Max was new to the car and was crushed in the first 12 races before beating Ricciardo 4-2 in the last 6 races. Everyone is running different numbers here. Pokerman has 2017 as a score of 10-6 and 2018 as a score o...
by KingVoid
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

You can't measure how much Verstappen improved from 2016-2020 but we see there wasn't that much improvement from 2017 to 2018. There was improvement from 2017 to 2018. By 2018, 20 year old Verstappen had the same pace gap over prime Ricciardo as prime Hamilton had over prime Bottas. 15-6 in quali a...
by KingVoid
Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:22 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

As much as I disagree with you KV, god damn it man I admire your commitment to your cause. You know, my favourite driver growing up was actually Michael Schumacher. It’s said the driver who leaves the strongest impression on you is the best driver when you were a kid. For me personally, I think tha...
by KingVoid
Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:34 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

You can't measure how much Verstappen improved from 2016-2020 but we see there wasn't that much improvement from 2017 to 2018. There was improvement from 2017 to 2018. By 2018, 20 year old Verstappen had the same pace gap over prime Ricciardo as prime Hamilton had over prime Bottas. 15-6 in quali a...
by KingVoid
Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:59 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

I don't believe anyone has said that but at the time he got beat by Riccardo he was in his third season of F1 and had turned 20 during the season, you reference football Pele at 17 won the world cup with Brazil scoring 3 goals in the semi-final and 2 goals in the final. In the past it was normal fo...
by KingVoid
Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

1. Age is at least valuable as experience if not more. Gasly was 20 months older than Verstappen when they were teammates in 2019 (almost two years). He had also began his F1 career in 2017. There is little to no reason to believe why Verstappen was any closer to his peak in 2019 than Gasly was. 2....
by KingVoid
Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

I've posted my top 25 list in this very thread, Alonso, Button and Rosberg feature, none of Verstappen's teammates feature, you have to guess how Verstappen would perform against such drivers. Everyone knows that Hamilton’s teammates are stronger than Verstappen, but what the point that is being ma...
by KingVoid
Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:18 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

I would put forward Button as another example of someone who stepped up massively between 20 and 22/23/24 Rosberg and Hamilton both made their F1 debut after winning GP2, both had unlimited testing, so you’d expect both to start around the same point. But Hamilton 2007 was INFINITELY better than Ro...
by KingVoid
Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:10 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

Sebastian Vettel is another interesting case study for the whole “racing age” argument. Vettel was outqualified 4-3 by Liuzzi in 2007, even though Vettel had been testing F1 cars since 2005, in the days of unlimited testing. According to Mario Theissen, he was slower than Heidfeld and Kubica, which...
by KingVoid
Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

Sebastian Vettel is another interesting case study for the whole “racing age” argument. Vettel was outqualified 4-3 by Liuzzi in 2007, even though Vettel had been testing F1 cars since 2005, in the days of unlimited testing. According to Mario Theissen, he was slower than Heidfeld and Kubica, which ...
by KingVoid
Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)
Replies: 336
Views: 30092

Re: The 100 Greatest of All Time (Update)

The last paragraph is irrelevant as Bottas >> Perez_2023. The entire argument that Perez isn’t good is based on his record against Verstappen, as his record against anyone else is more than respectable, including Button. It’s circular reasoning. Interestingly enough, Gasly suffered from the same fa...