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KingVoid

No he was faster in qualifying as well the practice sessions just showing how he was dominating the weekend he was favourite to win the race. Are we talking just single laps from practice sessions? Or long run data? Because if it's just single laps, no one is really questioning the idea that Lecler...

KingVoid

In Canada 2022 there were only a few laps early on when both Sainz and Verstappen were on the same tyres in clear air and in that time Sainz closed the gap to Verstappen by a small amount. Remembering that Sainz was almost always the slower Ferrari driver in 2022 it's reasonable to hold the opinion...

KingVoid

In Canada Verstappen ran his hard tyres for 34 laps before pitting under green, Sainz would have had no problem running his hard tyres for 50 laps and holding off Verstappen on hard tyres 23 laps newer, this also after Verstappen out qualified Sainz by 7 tenths of a second, hardly believable. I gav...

KingVoid

No he was faster in qualifying as well the practice sessions just showing how he was dominating the weekend he was favourite to win the race. Are we talking just single laps from practice sessions? Or long run data? Because if it's just single laps, no one is really questioning the idea that Lecler...

KingVoid

Would the Mercedes have been able to pass given the top speed of the Ferrari, on the harder tyre the Ferrari clearly had the pace given their slower driver, Vettel, was able to keep up. I’ve just had a look at the top speeds clocked in qualifying at Baku 2019, and the difference between Leclerc, Bo...

KingVoid

Ferrari couldn't have won in Jeddah because it got past by the Red Bull. Sainz was only quicker in Canada because wasn't he on fresher tyres having pitted under a VSC, it's not a race Ferrari should have won because they couldn't win. In Baku Leclerc only had a 15 second lead because he pitted earl...

KingVoid

Let’s go back to what was originally claimed, Mercedes in 2019 had “competition throughout the season”: By a certain metric, it's arguably true. Mercedes in 2019 had a similar level of competition throughout the season, unlike Red Bull in 2022 (Mercedes was actually the slower car more often in the...

KingVoid

There was only 17 races in 2020, Hamilton missed one race because of Covid and clearly still not fully recovered when he drove the last race of the season, he was slower than Bottas a driver he had been quicker than all season. He won 11 races out of 21 in a season where Bottas won 4 and comfortabl...

KingVoid

Apart from the four races that Ferrari won in 2022: Charles finished 0.5 seconds behind Max in Jeddah Charles was leading in Spain by 15 seconds when his car failed The less said about Monaco strategy the better Sainz was quicker than Max in Canada and finished in his DRS Charles was leading by 15 ...

KingVoid

What's the passing delta around Baku plus you're comparing with the slower Ferrari driver, Vettel finished just 11 seconds behind the two Mercs who were driving flat out as Hamilton was trying to get past Bottas, so he obviously had good pace on the other tyres. This is the problem, Ferrari being t...

KingVoid

You’re doing a very good job of deliberately missing the point. You listed a bunch of races which Ferrari “should” have won in 2019 and included Baku which is based on very little evidence apart from Q2 times. Then when I make the same argument for 2022, you turn around and claim that I said Ferrar...

KingVoid

Norris and Leclerc are probably better than Alonso and Hamilton nowadays (confident about Norris, less so about Leclerc) so I put them in separate categories.

KingVoid

Apart from the four races that Ferrari won in 2022: Charles finished 0.5 seconds behind Max in Jeddah Charles was leading in Spain by 15 seconds when his car failed The less said about Monaco strategy the better Sainz was quicker than Max in Canada and finished in his DRS Charles was leading by 15 ...

KingVoid

Apart from the four races that Ferrari won in 2022: Charles finished 0.5 seconds behind Max in Jeddah Charles was leading in Spain by 15 seconds when his car failed The less said about Monaco strategy the better Sainz was quicker than Max in Canada and finished in his DRS Charles was leading by 15 s...

KingVoid

No, that was not the starting point of the debate. The quote I posted from KingVoid is from (near) the top of the previous page. You then listed races Ferrari won or should have won in 2019 , to which KingVoid responded with the list of races he thought Ferrari won or should have won (all the races...

KingVoid

Funny how Pokerman thinks Ferrari should have won Baku 2019, but when I say the same about Baku 2022, he misinterprets it as Ferrari was quicker than Red Bull in that race. Remind me what happened in Baku 2022. From my memory, Leclerc took pole, lost the lead early, and retired with a car failure, ...

KingVoid

Even as a Verstappen fan, I was very encouraged by the pace of McLaren and Ferrari at Miami. The upgraded McLaren in the hands of Norris looked like the fastest car, while Ferrari was at most 1-2 tenths slower. Miami is a circuit that tests every quality of a car. Top speed, mechanical grip, braking...

KingVoid

From what I remember of the 4 wins, Ferrari would not have won Silverstone if Verstappen's car had not picked up damage. For the rest I have to ask how could they won races where they were clearly beat like Saudi, Imola, Miami, Baku, Canada and Hungary. Let's not forget the starting point for this ...

KingVoid

I'm dealing with the Ferrari being faster in 12 out of 13 races not with the Ferrari was faster overall, I believe you've confirmed that there was races Ferrari could not have won because it was not fast enough. Again, the phrase was "as fast as RB" not "faster than RB". I think it's been shown tha...

KingVoid

Now that Norris has made a big psychological breakthrough by finally winning his first race, I think he will gradually establish himself as the second best driver in the sport. I don’t have much evidence that Norris is better than Leclerc but it’s a hunch from the eye test, difficult to prove though...

KingVoid

True, Max had just gotten to the front and looked to be on his way to a victory when he got a piece of carbon stuck in his floor. There was a late SC that bunched up the field, who knows what would have happened. If you want to say Ferrari wasn't as fast as RB at Silverstone (a race that they start...

KingVoid

Well straight away that's not 12 races it's 8 races so the initial statement by another member was as i thought wrong. Aye you are listing those 8 races as races that Ferrari should have won because that was the inference in my list. I excluded the four races Ferrari actually won (Bahrain, Australi...

KingVoid

It’s funny how perspectives change with dominance. A car building a 3.5 second lead in the opening 20 odds laps… 2021 - Mercedes/Red Bull clearly better he built a sizeable lead of 3.5 seconds. 2024 - Not clearly the best car, he couldn’t even build a 5.. 10… second lead in the first stint. Max was...

KingVoid

Could have won 12 out of the first 13 races? Factoring out reliability, yes, they could have won 12 of 13. Which races were Ferrari not competitive on pace? Imola is about the only one. -Jeddah saw Charles and Max trade the lead. -Monaco Charles had very good pace, botched strategy. -Spain Charles ...

KingVoid

Ferrari were not a factor after TD039, that took away any competition. Ferrari prior to TD039 was as fast as Red Bull, which they never were in 2019 relative to Mercedes for more than a few races. Races that Ferrari won and should have won, Bahrain, Baku, Canada, Austria , Spa, Italy, Singapore, Ru...

KingVoid

Very happy that Norris is a race winner now, lowkey I think he’s the second best driver on the grid. Now he has thinks monkey off his back, I can see him winning a few races this year. I think he's second best purely because of Max's consistency (and Lando bottles too many Q3 results even compared ...

KingVoid

Worse but still somewhat defeats what you said, in 2019 Mercedes had competition throughout the season, in 2022 Red Bull had little competition in the second half of the season. Red Bull 2022 had more and stronger competition than Mercedes 2019 at every stage. Ferrari were not a factor after TD039,...

KingVoid

In 2020 he won 11 races out of the 16 he competed in, ramp that up to a 24 race season then that gives up 16/17 race wins. Which is still noticeably worse than what Verstappen did in a comparable car (2023), and 2019 is worse than Verstappen’s 2022 (again a comparable car). If anything the 2019 Mer...

KingVoid

Very happy that Norris is a race winner now, lowkey I think he’s the second best driver on the grid. Now he has thinks monkey off his back, I can see him winning a few races this year.

KingVoid

There was only 17 races in 2020, Hamilton missed one race because of Covid and clearly still not fully recovered when he drove the last race of the season, he was slower than Bottas a driver he had been quicker than all season. He won 11 races out of 21 in a season where Bottas won 4 and comfortabl...

KingVoid

This is actually something I've considered starting a thread on, but have held back for fear of it devolving into a toxic flame-fest that will make the mods hate me for my part in starting it :uhoh: Does anyone actually think Hamilton is the GOAT of F1? There was a brief window when perhaps the con...

KingVoid

There was only 17 races in 2020, Hamilton missed one race because of Covid and clearly still not fully recovered when he drove the last race of the season, he was slower than Bottas a driver he had been quicker than all season. He won 11 races out of 21 in a season where Bottas won 4 and comfortabl...

KingVoid

Mercedes didn't have a dominant car in 2019 certainly not against the illegally engined Ferrari, if they had not cheated then Hamilton would have won far more races. In 2020 he won 11 out of the 16 races he competed in, the final race he clearly hadn't fully recovered from Covid. Ratchet that up to...

KingVoid

Lewis is not GOAT, so you can rest your keyboard. This is actually something I've considered starting a thread on, but have held back for fear of it devolving into a toxic flame-fest that will make the mods hate me for my part in starting it :uhoh: Does anyone actually think Hamilton is the GOAT of...

KingVoid

Lewis is not GOAT, so you can rest your keyboard. This is actually something I've considered starting a thread on, but have held back for fear of it devolving into a toxic flame-fest that will make the mods hate me for my part in starting it :uhoh: Does anyone actually think Hamilton is the GOAT of...

KingVoid

You are fixated on one race on a weekend, if I were to nitpick Verstappen’s career like that, he wouldn’t have a great season left. I’m talking about general trends. Hamilton won 22 races out of 37 race finishes from 2019-2020 despite driving by far the best car in this time period, and having a mi...

KingVoid

Hamilton won 22 races out of 37 race finishes from 2019-2020 despite driving by far the best car in this time period, and having a midfield driver as his teammate. He also had bulletproof reliability and his car never failed in even one qualifying session to compromise his weekend. In these perfect...

KingVoid

My estimation for Verstappen is that he probably wins about 30 races out of 37 if he was driving the 2019/2020 Mercedes cars instead of Hamilton. 16 wins out of 21 in the W10 14 wins out of 16 starts in the W11 Based on what we’ve seen from Verstappen in the best car, this seems quite reasonable an...

KingVoid

My estimation for Verstappen is that he probably wins about 30 races out of 37 if he was driving the 2019/2020 Mercedes cars instead of Hamilton. 16 wins out of 21 in the W10 14 wins out of 16 starts in the W11 Based on what we’ve seen from Verstappen in the best car, this seems quite reasonable an...

KingVoid

My estimation for Verstappen is that he probably wins about 30 races out of 37 if he was driving the 2019/2020 Mercedes cars instead of Hamilton. 16 wins out of 21 in the W10 14 wins out of 16 starts in the W11 Based on what we’ve seen from Verstappen in the best car, this seems quite reasonable and...

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